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Hagel: Budget cuts could force Navy to sideline 3 aircraft carriers
foxnews.com ^ | 7/31/13 | ap

Posted on 07/31/2013 1:40:46 PM PDT by ColdOne

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel warned Wednesday that the Pentagon may have to mothball up to three Navy aircraft carriers and order additional sharp reductions in the size of the Army and Marine Corps if Congress doesn't act to avoid massive budget cuts beginning in 2014.

Speaking to Pentagon reporters, and indirectly to Congress, Hagel said that the full result of the sweeping budget cuts over the next 10 years could leave the nation with an ill-prepared, under-equipped military doomed to face more technologically advanced enemies.

In his starkest terms to date, Hagel laid out a worst-case scenario for the U.S. military if the Pentagon is forced to slash more than $50 billion from the 2014 budget and $500 billion over the next 10 years as a result of Congressionally-mandated automatic spending cuts.

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1 posted on 07/31/2013 1:40:46 PM PDT by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne
Cut Obamacare, Obamaphones, and Union-payoff Programs....

And, while we're at it, de-fund Sex Deviates in the military, and we're back to where we SHOULD be.

2 posted on 07/31/2013 1:43:31 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: ColdOne

Dear Chuck,

Since nobody in this administration has the courage to actually USE our National Defense capability, let’s not worry about how many boats you can float. Ok?

Find some other Federal agency to lament the impacts of Sequestration, will you?!?!


3 posted on 07/31/2013 1:45:15 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: ColdOne

The idiot in the WH and the ones that elected him are sure bringing that CHANGE he promised.


4 posted on 07/31/2013 1:45:49 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: ColdOne

Hell, park ‘em all - what do we care - we’re a nation of adolescents now. I mean, as long as the checks keep commin’ (they will keep comming, right?)


5 posted on 07/31/2013 1:46:18 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: traditional1

How long before it ends up like Venezuela... more Admirals than warships?


6 posted on 07/31/2013 1:46:47 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: ColdOne
I used to be opposed to this sort of thing until I saw a neophyte named Barack Hussein Obama elected to the formerly high office of President of the United States - twice.

Now, I say let it be.

If foreign countries want to jump in the middle of us while this POTUS is driving the boat, so be it.

Serves us right, serves his agenda.

7 posted on 07/31/2013 1:48:49 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: ColdOne

Another effing politician in a job that is critical to our defense. Congressionally mandated budget cuts? Where is the Senate in there, where’s that two year old brat we call a President in there?

The truth is Hagel, yes ‘Congress’ is the House and Senate, but your mindset is “these f@cking Republicans in the House are making us mothball three aircraft carriers.

NO, you insipid little bastard, they are not. You could go back to Congress for more money, but your two-year old President would have your balls for it because he’d want several trillion dollars for entitlements, and the House would tell him to screw himself.

You got your orders Hagel, be a man, STFU and do your job you whiny ass politician.


8 posted on 07/31/2013 1:48:51 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ColdOne

Pass a budget first. In that budget we can discuss priorities.


9 posted on 07/31/2013 1:49:22 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: ColdOne
Hagel: Budget cuts could force Navy to sideline 3 aircraft carriers

Okay, then tell the Obama's that they have to cut one vacation from their schedule. That ought to solve the problem.

10 posted on 07/31/2013 1:49:22 PM PDT by Obadiah (Inside of every Liberal beats the heart of a fascist yearning to reveal their true nature.)
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To: ColdOne
To the motley crew of America's fifth column, Obama, Hagel Soros, the budget deficit is as good an approach to destroying America as is diminishing its armed forced, aircraft carriers. Either way, America gets hurt.

So, it's emphatically disingenuous when Hagel says he wants to reduce the number of aircraft carriers to help reduce the budget. Either way, they win, either way, America is being allowed to bleed to death.

11 posted on 07/31/2013 1:50:15 PM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1195 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: ColdOne

12 posted on 07/31/2013 1:51:40 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: G Larry
Larry, the fact is we will have future presidents.  The next next one couldn't be worse than this turd, so don't give Hagel grief.  He happens to be right on target here.

We need our fleet of carriers.  Opting to cut three of them is something that we wouldn't be able to undo in the foreseeable future.  Our Navy is already less than half the size it was under Reagan.  Let's not give Obama cover to reduce that to one third or even one quarter.


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13 posted on 07/31/2013 1:52:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: ColdOne

Sideline three carriers? Don’t kid yourself. Obama would love any excuse to do it.


14 posted on 07/31/2013 1:53:05 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: ColdOne

Hummmmmm, mothball three carriers or 3 million welfare
recipients....tough choice....NOT.


15 posted on 07/31/2013 1:53:36 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Gaffer

Damn....I’m really tired of this. You don’t give them what they want and they whine whine whine. They’ll backstab you, listen to all your calls, look at your email, Facebook, Twitter, your bank accounts, your regular mail, and I hear they’ve requested an extra finger slot from your proctologist when he does the ole finger wave.

I’m a mind to just let the whole damned thing burn, burn to the ground, and sit back and watch it on TV with a bowl of popcorn in my lap and a beer in my hand. There’s nothing worth saving up there in DC.


16 posted on 07/31/2013 1:53:39 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: DoughtyOne

I’m giving Chuck grief because he’s whining and bluffing as a tactic against continued sequester.

I’ve been doing this Defense thing for over 42 years now, and you won’t find a bigger hawk. (got out of basic training 42 years ago this week)


17 posted on 07/31/2013 1:58:47 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: DoughtyOne

Turds everywhere resent your implication.


18 posted on 07/31/2013 2:00:01 PM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1195 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: Gaffer

“Another effing politician in a job that is critical to our defense. Congressionally mandated budget cuts? Where is the Senate in there, where’s that two year old brat we call a President in there?

The truth is Hagel, yes ‘Congress’ is the House and Senate, but your mindset is “these f@cking Republicans in the House are making us mothball three aircraft carriers.

NO, you insipid little bastard, they are not. You could go back to Congress for more money, but your two-year old President would have your balls for it because he’d want several trillion dollars for entitlements, and the House would tell him to screw himself.

You got your orders Hagel, be a man, STFU and do your job you whiny ass politician.”

_______________

Well said!


19 posted on 07/31/2013 2:01:05 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: elkfersupper

I guess it is OK if they are stuck in port. If we are attacked the aviators could land at NAS stations (I know its redundant) so it would be easier for them. Because Obama is all about making things easier.


20 posted on 07/31/2013 2:03:28 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: ColdOne

Are they going to mothball them, or sell them to China? Or better yet, Homeland security?


21 posted on 07/31/2013 2:04:05 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (Thy Kingdom come!)
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To: ColdOne

Obama might sell them to the Chinese, the Chinese are building Aircraft Carriers now.

They can use them when they attack Taiwan or Japan, with Obama’s blessing.


22 posted on 07/31/2013 2:07:55 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: ColdOne

NObama’s plan is coming to fruition.


23 posted on 07/31/2013 2:08:53 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: G Larry

Thanks Larry. If he’s bluffing, we’re together on this.

Hagel is a long ways from my favorite guy, however our military is beung dissembled at this time, and I’m very wary of it.


24 posted on 07/31/2013 2:13:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: lbryce

And for decent reason too...


25 posted on 07/31/2013 2:13:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: ColdOne

UpChuck is being the same old douchebag that he was as a senator. Worst choice ever for SecDef. Panetta was less of a dick-licker for obama than he is.


26 posted on 07/31/2013 2:16:19 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: ColdOne

I’ll bet if they cut just 25% off the bloated EBT giveaways instead, they would have more than enough money to fund whatever carriers and personnel we need.


27 posted on 07/31/2013 2:19:36 PM PDT by Gritty (Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are void-Jefferson, 1798)
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To: traditional1
Obamaphones are partly Rubio-Phones

As part of the Immigration debate, it was revealed that TracFone is in Senator Rubio's district in Florida (which is why he strongly supports it and helped put it into the Immigration bill.

Not that Obama does not deserve credit as well.

28 posted on 07/31/2013 2:33:46 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: ColdOne

That would be “under the Obama sequester plan”


29 posted on 07/31/2013 2:35:01 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: ColdOne

Anyone who dry dock 3 of our carriers is not a friend of America.


30 posted on 07/31/2013 2:43:51 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: traditional1

Might I add:

Allowed more domestic drilling for tax revenue
Allow keystone pipeline
Give corps a tax free holiday to bring rev back stateside
Drop corp tax rate below most other developed nations
Sell off U.S. land holdings
Repeal EPA regs that hamstring business
End carrer un-employment.
Oh, and a two year-moratorium on selling T-bills or until the budget is balanced.

There ya go.


31 posted on 07/31/2013 2:46:44 PM PDT by jimjohn
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To: Gritty
I’ll bet if they cut just 25% off the bloated EBT giveaways

Actually, corporate farm subsidies would cover the carriers several times over.

32 posted on 07/31/2013 2:47:17 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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33 posted on 07/31/2013 3:01:35 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: ColdOne
Can you spot the problem?
34 posted on 07/31/2013 3:02:13 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: G Larry
It didn’t stop Obupkis from sending $500 million to the P. A. and Hamas. It’s easy to see where his allegiance lies.
35 posted on 07/31/2013 3:07:13 PM PDT by Know et al (Spill chick want ketch awl yore miss takes.)
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To: steve86
Actually, corporate farm subsidies would cover the carriers several times over.

Great. Let's cut those as well!

36 posted on 07/31/2013 3:09:59 PM PDT by Gritty (Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are void-Jefferson, 1798)
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To: ColdOne

Well RINO Chuck, perhaps you need to find a way to cut some of the waste in the Navy. Start with cutting every faggot loving program there is. Then follow that up with cutting programs that waste money on that death cult, Islam.


37 posted on 07/31/2013 3:11:05 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - shall not be questioned)
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To: ColdOne

They send Billions of our taxpayer dollars to the Sunni Muslims on their civil war Jihad.


38 posted on 07/31/2013 3:12:03 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: ColdOne

Yet, Obama can bypass Congress and send Hamas $500 MILLION?


39 posted on 07/31/2013 3:29:53 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: G Larry

Me too-almost 50 years, now working in OSD as a furloughed GS-15. The cuts Hagel listed are worst-case:
Army to as low as 350,000 soldiers,
Marines to 150,000,
Air Force cut fighter squadrons and retire old bombers (Buffs? B-2s?—who knows—it’s the USAF!)
Navy to 8 CV strike groups.

Forces haven’t been that small since 1950. Remember what happened that year?

TC


40 posted on 07/31/2013 3:50:26 PM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: ColdOne
Do you know that the Imperial Japanese Navy Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force is now up to 186 ships?
41 posted on 07/31/2013 4:04:37 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: ColdOne

Who cares?

When America surrenders in a few years to China and the Islamist Caliphate, it will be a Third World country anyhow.

The surrender document would be in Spanish, of course.


42 posted on 07/31/2013 5:24:19 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: traditional1; zot; 2ndDivisionVet

And folks thought there was a hollow Army in the mid-70s!

Read the entire article. Army to 1950 force level. Air Force similar.


43 posted on 07/31/2013 5:46:50 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar
The federal budget is most of all an enormous jobs program. Lots of jobs, lots of benefits, lots of pensions. Now, if cuts are absolutely required, those cuts will be made in the areas of services to be performed -- no tours at the White House, no USAF flyovers, no National Park Maintenance, fewer carriers, etc.

But, for the most part, the jobs, benefits and -- most of all -- the pensions will remain. But the whole thing will just serve less purpose because the government won't actually be doing much of anything.

I've recently been close to the federal workforce, and for those who haven't really seen them in action: you would be amazed. They do almost no work, they socialize all day, they organize softball leagues, golf outings, and morale-boosting picnics. They do this on your dime. During a time of sequestration and furloughs. It's staggering.

These people do not live in the real world. They are not productive. The thought doesn't occur to them. They show up because they want to get paid. End of story.

I'll throw in the caveat that I am not talking about the men and women in uniform who put themselves in harms way. No one questions their commitment or value. But the bureaucrats back home? Total waste.

Cuts? Cuts? You can't possibly cut as much as you ought to. Keep the cuts coming. Cut it all, man. I am sick to death of this parasitical beast we call the federal government.

44 posted on 07/31/2013 5:59:16 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Clear case— The cuts in personnel strength is UNIFORMED Army soldiers, not Dept of Army Civilians. It is the guys who fight to defend us.

So turn off your rant switch and do some thinking on what the state of the nation’s defense will be when the soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines are reduced to a level not seen since the beginning of the Korean War, 63 years ago. And that with an administration who doesn’t know how to keep our troops out of harms way.


45 posted on 07/31/2013 6:05:56 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar
I think you missed my point. The cuts show evidence of two mistakes:

1) Cuts in uniformed soldiers. This is a mistake. As I indicated in my post, no one doubts the value of these men and women.
2) Woefully insufficient cuts in government civilians. By and large, these people are unproductive parasites. It is a mistake not to make more cuts in these areas. There is waste, fraud, and abuse all over the place, and it will not get better until the number of government civilians is reduced to where they HAVE to perform efficiently.

I've been involved in Acquisitions. The goal here is "How can I spend $2B?" That's it -- start to finish. Actually accomplishing something of value is not really of interest to the government civilians I've seen. They need to spend money to justify jobs. They don't care if they have anything to show for it.

They hurt the warfighter.

46 posted on 07/31/2013 6:13:07 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: GreyFriar

1950 Force Levels for the Military — while trillions are spend on politically correct projects.


47 posted on 07/31/2013 6:20:45 PM PDT by zot
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To: jazusamo

This is great news. The female pregnancy rate is 23% on these carriers. The homosexual perversion is beyond belief. Scrap them. Close the borders.


48 posted on 07/31/2013 8:40:04 PM PDT by SADMILLIE (r)
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To: SADMILLIE

Yeah, that’s the answer, take them all out of service.

You need help, a shrink or Clozaril, probably both.


49 posted on 07/31/2013 9:17:34 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: ColdOne

The US has 13 aircraft carrier groups — that’s more than the rest of the world combined. Even down to 9 or 10, that’s enough firepower to take ANYONE on...


50 posted on 08/01/2013 6:27:31 AM PDT by Cronos
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