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GOP Aims To Slow Federal Bullet Buys
The Hill ^ | April 29, 2013 | Jody Yager

Posted on 04/29/2013 3:35:06 AM PDT by Biggirl

Republicans want to limit the number of bullets federal agencies can purchase so American gun owners can buy more.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: ammo; ammunition; banglist; braking; bullets; donttreadonme; federal; gop; guncontrol; secondamendment; tyranny; waronliberty; wewilltakegovtammo; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 04/29/2013 3:35:06 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl
Jeeze Louise. Don't they have anything better to do that this?

Buying lots of X is a sure way to INCREASE the supply of X. Even the gubmint has figured that out.

I wonder why they need so much too, but "taking it off the market so the people can't buy it" is not the reason.

2 posted on 04/29/2013 4:24:31 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Biggirl

I’ll be happy with that. The day I can get 10,000 rds of 22LR for about 3-5 cents around. Or 5,000 rds of 9X19,223/556, 45ACP and 380, 45 COLT, etc.... for way less than a dollar a round.

Next time deals come up on these in bulk, I’m gonna stock it up and stop playing this “find the 22LR game.”


3 posted on 04/29/2013 4:25:23 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Izzy Dunne

Right now, it’s working in reverse. The DHS commits to buy how many billions of rounds of 9mm and you can’t find 9mm anywhere (although, CTD has a 50 rd box of foreign stuff for $69-it was $79, for example), when and if Walmart gets it and you’re lucky enough to be there you get it for $15 per 50 rds.


4 posted on 04/29/2013 4:29:44 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Biggirl

GOP aims to look just different enough from the other party to keep getting your votes.


5 posted on 04/29/2013 4:30:59 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

One explanation I read of the unusually high number of rounds used by DHS is that they allow boxes of ammo to be carried off by their agents for personal practice on their own time. If the military were to do that all hell would break loose.

In fact, it sounds like a neat little revenue source for agents who would play the system.

It also sounds like a neat little way to be unaccountable and ship large quantities of rounds to “Fast and Furious” type operations.


6 posted on 04/29/2013 4:55:21 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Gaffer

>> Next time deals come up on these in bulk, I’m gonna stock it up and stop playing this “find the 22LR game.”

I hear you, brother.

I refuse to pay panic prices for ammo.

But, tell you what, once the panic subsides (and I’m confident it will) I *am* planning to slowly, methodically increase my inventory levels on every caliber I shoot by a factor of 10 over what I used to keep on hand.


7 posted on 04/29/2013 5:01:20 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: xzins

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8 posted on 04/29/2013 5:20:24 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Izzy Dunne
Except that most ammo makers are relatively small shops. Ammo has a great shelf life, so ramping up and causing an over supply is a huge concern. Not to mention the equipment needed is very expensive, and after the bubble bursts they will be sitting idle.

That is why the ammo industry is very slow to react to these events. They have seen quite a few bubbles, and know the down side could kill them.

So the FedGov can, for the medium term, cause a massive hit to the supply of ammo. IF this was meant to be a political tactic, they will do this to limit ammo supplies before a ban.

Notice that is a big IF.

9 posted on 04/29/2013 6:17:46 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
"GOP Aims To Slow Federal Bullet Buys"

Bullets are those little thingies launched by a firearms that travel through the air until they impact a target or eventually just fall to the ground.

A cartridge consists of a shellcase, primer, propellant powder and a bullets. Multiple cartridges are known as ammunition. The government purchases ammunition.

Bullets are to cartridges as flour is to bread as cement is to concrete, etc. When will they ever learn the terminology?

In terms of the current ammo shortage; it doesn't exist because of government purchases or ammo manufacturers making record quantities. It exists because of excessive purchases by civilian consumers buying far more than they need, for all kinds of absurd reasons.

We have met the enemy - it is us.

10 posted on 04/29/2013 6:37:19 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Biggirl

Then who will supply the Syrians/Muslim Brotherhood and other “trusted” allies??


11 posted on 04/29/2013 6:46:50 AM PDT by Thom Pain (U.S. Constitution is a CONTRACT!)
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To: Buffalo Head
In terms of the current ammo shortage; it doesn't exist because of government purchases or ammo manufacturers making record quantities. It exists because of excessive purchases by civilian consumers buying far more than they need, for all kinds of absurd reasons.

100% correct, but you'll never convince this crowd.

12 posted on 04/29/2013 7:11:04 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (I am an Oath Keeper! III)
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To: Gaffer

I want as much 45 ammo as I can get. I want to see it stockpiled.


13 posted on 04/29/2013 7:12:35 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Biggirl

So contrary to recent reports denying the stockpiling of ammo...even representatives are concerned.

Can we believe anything at all this regime says?


14 posted on 04/29/2013 7:14:38 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I was just up at the Bargain Barn here in Jasper Georgia...they had a whole load of about every kind of 45 ACP you can get. Over the last three or four weeks, I’ve picked up 10-13 boxes of 100 rd Winchester target ball ACP at Walmart, three at a time....

The 45s are coming back, the 22s and 9mms are much scarcer...


15 posted on 04/29/2013 7:38:51 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
I live in Little ROck, AR, a few miles from the Remington .22 LR plant. I was there last week. They have ramped up to 7 million rounds/day in 4 shifts, 24hrs/7 days/week/359 days a year. With some adjustments and a new sorter, they can do 10 million rounds a day!

10 MILLION ROUNDS A DAY!

Where is the .22 LR ammo? In 300 days, they should have made more than enough ammo for the entire U.S.

Where is the .22 LR ammo going?!

16 posted on 04/29/2013 7:54:39 AM PDT by DCBryan1
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To: DCBryan1

Inquiring minds want to know.


17 posted on 04/29/2013 8:00:07 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: DCBryan1

My guess is guys like me. I got caught flat footed on 22LR. Minimal supply. Pretty good and the big stuff and the exotic. Real good, in fact - I have a respectable supply.

I didn’t catch the wave of the bulk buyers. The ones that got into every order system on line and choked up their system with backorders of HUGE bulks that they forced the suppliers to stop taking Back Orders. So we (the latelys) are all forced to wait for the B/Os to fill, and compete against the dribs and drabs of smaller bulks that make their way to the dealers. Like I said on another post, the first time I can get an order in for 22LRs in bulk, it will be at least 10,000 rounds. I’m not going through this again.


18 posted on 04/29/2013 8:19:47 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: servantboy777

“...Can we believe anything at all this regime says?....”

Nope. AndyYou’d be a fool if you do.
If their lips are moving, it’s lies being spewed out, and it’s usually just the opposite of what they’re saying.


19 posted on 04/29/2013 8:22:35 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Biggirl
not sure if the republicans will get what they want though.
20 posted on 04/29/2013 8:43:59 AM PDT by Drawn7979
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To: Gaffer

Thanks for the info...


21 posted on 04/29/2013 9:21:35 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: DCBryan1

“Where is the .22 LR ammo going?!”

Into the stockpiles of Americans who are buying it.


22 posted on 04/29/2013 10:01:42 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Izzy Dunne

Can someone explain why we mostly argue about what is the source of the “shortages”? Is it the federales insatiable buying or is it US, buying all we can get our hands on? And we go on and on this way.

When I want to know what gives, with the federales using our tax dollars as well as money borrowed from China, et al, to stockpile armaments and ammo.

WHAT GIVES?

WHY are they doing it?

WHERE IS THEIR AUTHORITY FOR DOING IT??

WHAT ARE THEIR CLAIMED ANSWERS?

WHAT IS THE REAL TRUTH???


23 posted on 04/29/2013 10:23:50 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: Izzy Dunne

And in connection with my previous post, I have this thought: How dare we let them get away with doing this without their having to answer to anyone, while at the same time we are fighting an attempt to “background check” us into obliteration of our rights, under cover of law.

We have a great story to tell, and we’re not telling it. On the one hand we have the federales wanton buying and stockpiling, with no control or answers, on the other hand we’re being attacked with attempts to make US answerable for each little transaction we as individuals make. HUH??

Am I getting through to anyone out there?

The two things should be linked: Hey Manchin, Toomney, Schumer, DIFI, et al, stop the federales from doing this, investigate them for doing it, make them answerable, shut them down, etc etc, and leave us the **** alone.

If what we’re doing is Constitutional and as I suspect, what they’re doing isn’t, then STOP ignoring them and STOP harassing us!!!


24 posted on 04/29/2013 10:33:16 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: Biggirl

We need to hear more about this issue!


25 posted on 04/29/2013 10:35:15 AM PDT by swampthang77
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To: txrangerette
Is it the federales insatiable buying

DHS ammo purchases were lower in 2012 than in 2011, and lower in 2011 than in 2010.

Ammo shortages are ENTIRELY the result of post-Newtown panic buying, panic buying as a result of news of ammo shortages, panic buying because of idiotic, false articles about huge DHS ammo purchases, and then more panic buying because of news of even larger ammo shortages.

26 posted on 04/29/2013 10:48:57 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: servantboy777
So contrary to recent reports denying the stockpiling of ammo...even representatives are concerned.

I will of course be flamed for this, but Inhofe and Lucas are not the sharpest knives in the drawer, and this bill is also political pandering to the people who got suckered into the DHS ammo panic.

27 posted on 04/29/2013 10:52:43 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Izzy Dunne

Expansion in ammunition production is not happening much because of the regulations legislated and enforced by the political/regulator class. The AMMO Act would also have the effect of muzzling the contemporary paradigm of campaigns of hysteria and panic unleashed by spoiled hags running useless offices obese with debt/revenues. Besides, there’s no shortage of demand.


28 posted on 04/29/2013 3:16:29 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

I can tell you with absolute industry insider authority that the limiting factor on production is machinery, which is a long lead time investment.


29 posted on 04/29/2013 3:48:02 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: Strategerist
"DHS ammo purchases were lower in 2012 than in 2011, and lower in 2011 than in 2010. Ammo shortages are ENTIRELY the result of post-Newtown panic buying, panic buying as a result of news of ammo shortages, panic buying because of idiotic, false articles about huge DHS ammo purchases, and then more panic buying because of news of even larger ammo shortages. I will of course be flamed for this, but Inhofe and Lucas are not the sharpest knives in the drawer, and this bill is also political pandering to the people who got suckered into the DHS ammo panic."

It appears in reality, though, that the Dept. of Hag Scholars has been stocking up for "SHTF," "TEOTWAWKI," waves of attacking veteran/redneck "zombies" of the "patriarchy" and all of that.

From the article, "In fiscal year 2012, DHS says it bought about 103 million bullets for $36.5 million, giving the department a total of about 246 million rounds stockpiled for training and operational use." It appears that some ladies in Democrat government are paranoid and freaking out.

The bill "would prohibit every government agency — except the military — from buying more ammunition each month, than the monthly average it purchased from 2001 to 2009." That's not so unreasonable. More now than ever, government spending needs to be cut, and government waste should be cut first.

Most of the panic was caused by the civilian hysteria in, and emanating from, the offices rightly in question. Fears of large parts of our law-abiding American population were published in strange projections against healthier folks (abnormal fears of veterans, religious people, patriotic Americans,...). Threats have been implied against the American population without explanation or apology. There might be a clue for a more in-depth analysis of today's false security bureaucracy in the following.

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

  Hysteria \Hys*te"ri*a\, n. [NL.: cf. F. hyst['e]rie. See
     Hysteric.] (Med.)
     A nervous affection, occurring almost exclusively in women,
     in which the emotional and reflex excitability is
     exaggerated, and the will power correspondingly diminished,
     so that the patient loses control over the emotions, becomes
     the victim of imaginary sensations, and often falls into
     paroxism or fits.
     [1913 Webster]
  
     Note: The chief symptoms are convulsive, tossing movements of
           the limbs and head, uncontrollable crying and laughing,
           and a choking sensation as if a ball were lodged in the
           throat. The affection presents the most varied
           symptoms, often simulating those of the gravest
           diseases, but generally curable by mental treatment
           alone. Hysteric



We cannot win a war waged against our western culture and religions with civilian police work alone. Fighting men in military forces are needed for that. The following is a good account of how such a war can be won.

Denazification, cumulative review. Report, 1 April 1947-30 April 1948.
http://digital.library.wisc.edu/1711.dl/History.Denazi


30 posted on 04/29/2013 3:48:34 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Mushroom Gravy
"I can tell you with absolute industry insider authority that the limiting factor on production is machinery, which is a long lead time investment."

Let's see. How can I go easy with this? Naw! Just look the other way, if it's too ugly. ;-)

Without the current regulations--even in the middle of nowhere--against new, small manufacturing shops, the folks who sign their lives away on the nifty girls' machines of today would be buried by real competition.

Everyone: avoid buying anything that you don't really need. Plan or do something each month to become more self-sufficient. Manufacture something useful as a hobby for now.


31 posted on 04/29/2013 3:55:21 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Mushroom Gravy

I should let you know, though, that I really do generally like contemporary U.S. manufacturers (manufacturing on U.S. soil—not only U.S. “based”) and hope that they do well (especially you, if you’re in it). We should see much more domestic competition, though, in my opinion. Competition is healthy for business and good for the economy (what our great-grandparents in business said: something we no longer hear). Bowing to foreign competition and surrendering, as we have as a nation, is abominable.


32 posted on 04/29/2013 3:59:50 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Red Steel; TigersEye

Ping.

If nothing much more than cutting spending, it gives Congress something better to do.


33 posted on 04/29/2013 4:02:39 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Buffalo Head
"It exists because of excessive purchases by civilian consumers buying far more than they need, for all kinds of absurd reasons.

We have met the enemy - it is us.
"

I agree, even after posting comments that might seem contrary. Too many consumers have taken hyperbolic bait from television, publications of all kinds, tales of false, hysterical plans to spy, control, etc., disseminated by fearful individuals in government offices, the same from NGOs, conspiracy story tellers, and several kinds of crooks manipulating markets.

There's no innocent side in the cat fight. All have spread panic and hysteria.


34 posted on 04/29/2013 4:16:24 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Gaffer

About a year ago, .22LR was going for about 4 cents a round and 45 Colt was going for 75 cents a round (buying factory ammo).

I can now reload 45 Colt for about the same cost as .22LR.

How times have changed.


35 posted on 04/29/2013 4:45:05 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: txrangerette

I was going to buy 2 pounds of powder this weekend. Then, I recalled the story about background checks being discussed in DC. And so I bought 2 more.

Multiple that anecdotal evidence by many millions and you get the situation we currently have.


36 posted on 04/29/2013 4:47:31 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

You can never be too thin or too rich......or have too much ammo.


37 posted on 04/29/2013 4:49:34 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Biggirl

38 posted on 04/30/2013 9:03:03 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: familyop
The bill "would prohibit every government agency — except the military — from buying more ammunition each month, than the monthly average it purchased from 2001 to 2009." That's not so unreasonable.

Actually, it's very unreasonable, since there are more agents/officers now than between 2001 and 2009. If you wish to take away ammo from the Border Patrol, then feel free to push and vote for this BS.

39 posted on 05/01/2013 6:58:29 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (I am an Oath Keeper! III)
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To: Marine Inspector
"If you wish to take away ammo from the Border Patrol,..."

I don't, and the Border Patrol should well supplied. At the same time, it's not good for the Border Patrol to be subjugated in some ways to the more out-of-touch political offices that have been implying false tales about implementing hysterical policies that provoke distrust--policies that aren't even going to be implemented.

They shouldn't even be allowing such tales to fly by issuing generalities to other offices and letting them ferment later among tellers of conspiracy tales. Us-against-them policy doesn't work. I would like to see better public affairs work from DHS, or our Government should give the work of DHS to the U.S. Army.

The world is not going to end by some natural disaster (global warming: one of several examples), although more attention should be given to defense. We're not going to run out of food. There won't be any roundup against veterans, Christians, etc. There won't be any "30,000 drones" watching the American population. The government won't be attacked by zombies. The people that government should be serving won't be attacked by zombies, although laid off government employees might start some minor riots (as seen in Greece, etc.).


40 posted on 05/01/2013 5:01:38 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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