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DHS Explains Plans To Buy 1.6B Rounds Of Ammo: We're Buying in Bulk to 'Significantly Lower Costs'
cnsnews.com ^ | 4-2-2013 | Gregory Gwyn-Williams

Posted on 04/02/2013 4:03:00 PM PDT by plain talk

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has responded to a letter dated November 13, 2012 from Senator Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) regarding the agency's ammunition purchases. Sen. Coburn published the response on the U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs website yesterday, April 1, 2013.

The response, dated February 4, 2013, says that DHS buys ammunition in bulk to "significantly lower costs."

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Yeah, right. Just like ObamaCare their efforts to suppoedly lower costs results in the costs doubling or quadrupling
1 posted on 04/02/2013 4:03:00 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk

Now they plan to save American taxpayers money?


2 posted on 04/02/2013 4:05:23 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: plain talk

It may end up costing DHS dearly...hardly what you would call lowering the costs.

These preparations are to wage war on American Citizens. These are not law enforcement levels of ammunition accumulation.

Having that much ammunition arounsd without military security means it is beggng to be stolen....but by whom?


3 posted on 04/02/2013 4:06:20 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: plain talk

Yea, since when is the government interested in “Lower Cost.


4 posted on 04/02/2013 4:06:46 PM PDT by doc1019 (The rabbit hole that Obama is leading us down just gets deeper and deeper.)
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To: plain talk

             

pull the other one, maggots !
5 posted on 04/02/2013 4:07:16 PM PDT by tomkat ( .. shall NOT be infringed)
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To: plain talk
"significantly lower costs."

Believable.
Like the Obama daughters flying coach from the Bahamas to Aspen.

6 posted on 04/02/2013 4:07:37 PM PDT by llevrok (Keep your arms out. It makes it harder for them to throw a net over you.)
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To: plain talk

So they just spent $1,000 per uniform for TSA agents. Penny wise, pound foolish.


7 posted on 04/02/2013 4:08:30 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: plain talk

Aren’t they buying massive quantities of guns and ammo to create a shortage for citizen gun owners?


8 posted on 04/02/2013 4:10:52 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: a fool in paradise

actually it’s $1000 per employee
not per uni
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/tsa-sealed-50-million-sequester-eve-deal-buy-new-uniforms


9 posted on 04/02/2013 4:11:17 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Candor7

The US military may not fire upon US citizens, but I wouldn’t put it past the Chinese or Nork soldiers...


10 posted on 04/02/2013 4:13:23 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: plain talk
Yea, I'm sure they think everything is honky dory. They are proving it by buying in bulk when the market for bullets is through the roof.

That makes about as much economic sense as the Obama administration...

11 posted on 04/02/2013 4:17:49 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: Jonty30

“The US military may not fire upon US citizens, but I wouldn’t put it past the Chinese or Nork soldiers...”

Yep, I lay awake nights sweating that the ChiComm apes will float over the sea in bathtubs and invade America.


12 posted on 04/02/2013 4:18:37 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: plain talk
"In 2010, the agency purchased 148,314,825 rounds. In 2011, 108,664,054 rounds were purchased; and in 2012, 103,178,200 rounds."

It's estimated that there are somewhere between 200 million ansd 300 million firearms in the US. If just 150 million are fired occasionally, and not in the attic somewhere gathering dust and cobwebs, and if everyone bought one (1) box of 50 rounds for each one since Newtown, that's -- ummmmm 7.5 billion rounds. Since December.

13 posted on 04/02/2013 4:21:42 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: nascarnation

“TSA will provide your initial uniform issue consisting of:
3 long sleeve shirts
3 short sleeve shirts
2 pairs of trousers
2 ties, and one belt
sweater
socks,
and jacket.”

Let’s say $75/shirt=$300 + $100/sweater=$100 + $100/trousers=$200 + $20/tie=$40 + $20/belt=$20 + $40/socks=$40 + $300/jacket=$300

Do these prices seem accurate for Mexican made clothing bought in bulk (50,000 orders)?


14 posted on 04/02/2013 4:23:03 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: plain talk

Then I guess their supply of horsesh1t is purt near free.


15 posted on 04/02/2013 4:23:08 PM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: Jyotishi

Aren’t they buying massive quantities of guns and ammo to create a shortage for citizen gun owners?

BINGO


16 posted on 04/02/2013 4:24:11 PM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by Obama")
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To: a fool in paradise

Uh huh, my best (and only) suit plus shoes, belt, shirt, tie and underwear could be replaced at today’s prices for about three fifths of the TSA uniform cost. Government procurement !!

Big Sis hasn’t answered the question as to just why she needs that many rounds of ammunition. To keep us in line perhaps?


17 posted on 04/02/2013 4:24:36 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: sergeantdave

Then it shouldn’t concern you as to why the DHS is buying enough bullets to shoot each man, woman, and child, 7 times over, since the US military wouldn’t fire upon their own people and the treasonous wouldn’t somehow bring the Chinese and Nork’s over surreptitiously.

You can go back to sleep now. Sleep well.


18 posted on 04/02/2013 4:25:08 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: JimSEA

They said target practice, at one point. Why’d they need hollow point bullets?


19 posted on 04/02/2013 4:25:47 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: plain talk

More lies from the Obama administration.

Clearly, the ammunition is to be used against Americans.


20 posted on 04/02/2013 4:26:07 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: plain talk

Champagne tastes, beer pocketbook. right I believe they wanted to buy high volume to get a cheaper price. buy up all the ammunition so civilians cannot purchase it is the next excuse.

Benjamin Franklin - He who is good at making excuses is seldom good at anything else.


21 posted on 04/02/2013 4:26:11 PM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: a fool in paradise

I’m sure if you investigated closely enough, you’d find some Obama-contributing middleman skimming off a significant slice of the $$$.


22 posted on 04/02/2013 4:30:12 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Jonty30

UN


23 posted on 04/02/2013 4:32:06 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: DownInFlames

I can believe that.

There are billions of people in the Third World who would go to war against the US, if they were promised a share of the mythical wealth that the rest of the world believes the US has.


24 posted on 04/02/2013 4:34:15 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: plain talk

Yea!significantly lower cost right.I’m sure the DHS is preparing to defend the United States from an invasion of the Chinese army.But then again they probably couldn’t defend this country from the invasion of the 11 million illegal alians that are ripping us off blind.

That ammo is to be used on us.


25 posted on 04/02/2013 4:36:17 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: plain talk

Meanwhile Police can’t find enough bullets to practice with.


26 posted on 04/02/2013 4:37:03 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: plain talk

that is not a satisfactory answer. why can’t they get a good deal with far less? ridiculous.


27 posted on 04/02/2013 4:37:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: plain talk

No govt entity has ever bought anything in bulk for the purpose of lowering cost.


28 posted on 04/02/2013 4:37:49 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Jyotishi

that is part of it. they are also creating the shortage to increase the cost of whatever people can find.


29 posted on 04/02/2013 4:38:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Jonty30

nope many will. have no faith they won’t.


30 posted on 04/02/2013 4:39:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: a fool in paradise

I guess we need to see if water jugs and watermelons were procured in sufficient quantity, hollow points blow them up pretty good. In other words, I’m not buying ANYTHING they are selling.


31 posted on 04/02/2013 4:41:26 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Secret Agent Man

I don’t think, currently, that the bulk of the US military will fire upon its own citizenry. Although, I cannot say that 15 years from now.


32 posted on 04/02/2013 4:43:38 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: plain talk

ok then lets see their cost/benefit analysis then

What was their projected cost, how much do they expect to save by buying in bulk...

You did PLAN and calculate in order to know it was a cost reduction, right?


33 posted on 04/02/2013 4:52:07 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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34 posted on 04/02/2013 4:52:19 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Jonty30

“Then it shouldn’t concern you as to why the DHS is buying enough bullets to shoot each man, woman, and child, 7 times over...”

Americans have bought enough ammo to shoot every DHS employee 45,836 times.


35 posted on 04/02/2013 4:52:19 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: plain talk

Yeah. And the drones, and the MRAPs, and Obama’s speech about having a standing domestic army as big and well-funded as the military are all a cost-saving measure as well- at a time when the government doesn’t seem at all interested in the cost of well...anything that it wants?

Yeah, I’ll believe that.


36 posted on 04/02/2013 4:52:44 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Jyotishi

“Aren’t they buying massive quantities of guns and ammo to create a shortage for citizen gun owners?”

That’s really not how economics works. Guns and ammo are relatively simple products to manufacture, since they don’t require any exotic materials. So, if they tell ammunition manufacturers that they want to buy 1.6 billion rounds over an extended period of years, then the manufacturers are just going to scale up production to meet the new demand.

If there’s an ammunition shortage, it’s because of increased panic buying on the part of the public, which is an unexpected drain on the supply that manufacturers couldn’t account for ahead of time.


37 posted on 04/02/2013 4:55:07 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Riley

you know the federal gubbamint is ALL about saving money.


38 posted on 04/02/2013 4:55:29 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: sergeantdave

Good luck to you, as an individual, trying to take on an instiutional military.


39 posted on 04/02/2013 4:56:27 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Sooth2222

Well, at least someone else around here still uses their brain instead of flying into a panic at every hyped up alarmist story. Kudos to you, sir.


40 posted on 04/02/2013 4:57:26 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: JimSEA

“Big Sis hasn’t answered the question as to just why she needs that many rounds of ammunition. To keep us in line perhaps?”

Well, she actually has, if you read the article. You may not believe the answer, but you can’t say the government didn’t give it.


41 posted on 04/02/2013 4:58:57 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: plain talk; All

Just FYI, I spoke with two people over the weekend who are on a waiting list to get ammunition for their guns. Neither has had a problem before this.


42 posted on 04/02/2013 5:00:15 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: varyouga; All
They are proving it by buying in bulk when the market for bullets is through the roof.

DHS isn't buying bullets. Throwing them at a target is not very effective.

.

They're buying these thingies:


43 posted on 04/02/2013 5:02:34 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Jonty30

i dont think the majority will. i think enough will. the more screwed up they are the more they will. gays and lesbians in particular, power-mad ones will. the more problems and messed up they are the likelier they are to do it.


44 posted on 04/02/2013 5:08:25 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: plain talk

Well, I’ll just be glad when their 1.4 billion rounds are delivered, so the makers can start shipping to civilians in numbers again.


45 posted on 04/02/2013 5:10:40 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Secret Agent Man

That’s why I was alluding to the fifteen year mark. By then, enough loyal Americans will have retired from the military and enough of their replacements, who may not be trained to be so loyal, will have filled the ranks.

Then it definitely could be a military that has stopped serving the people.


46 posted on 04/02/2013 5:12:37 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

“Good luck to you, as an individual, trying to take on an instiutional military.”

The DHS is institutional military? Why don’t you list for us all the battle ribbons that DHS has been awarded?

You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.


47 posted on 04/02/2013 5:15:31 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Jonty30

i am saying i think they have enough in there right now. not a majority, but enough.


48 posted on 04/02/2013 5:17:28 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: plain talk

That is a plain lie. If the goal was to safe money, 3/4 of the buy would have been cheaper range ammo, not expensive HP ammo.

And please, don’t try to blow smoke up my a$$ with a fable like, “Nothing is too good for our feds. They always train on expensive HP ammo.” BS. They can make range ammo that handles and feels the same as the HP ammo....if the goal is cost saving.


49 posted on 04/02/2013 5:19:14 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: plain talk

Does anyone know whom the feds are buying the ammo from?

Is it the same manufacturers that can’t keep a spare box of cartridges, from .22 shorts to 45.70s, on the shelves from Seattle to Miami?

I’ve got no beef with ammo manufacturers. But I have to wonder if the “bulk price” sales to the feds are worth leaving their retail markets AND their longtime customers high and dry.

Can’t they turn down the government sales just like some of the gun manufacturers are doing?


50 posted on 04/02/2013 5:19:47 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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