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The Real Reason the Economy Is Broken (And Will Stay That Way)
Peak Prosperity ^ | 2-16-2013 | Chris Martenson

Posted on 02/16/2013 10:27:57 AM PST by blam

The Real Reason the Economy Is Broken (And Will Stay That Way)

More and more economic sinkholes

by Chris Martenson
Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 8:54 PM

We are far enough and deep enough into the most heroic monetary and fiscal efforts ever undertaken to finally ask, why aren't these measures working?

Or at least we should be. Oddly, many in DC, on Wall Street, and the Federal Reserve continue to steadfastly refuse to include anything in their approaches and frameworks other than "more of the same."

So we are treated to an endless parade of news items that seek to convince us that a bottom is in and that we've 'turned the corner' – often on the flimsy basis that in the past things have always gotten better by now.

The framework we operate from around here is simply encapsulated in the observation that there has never been global economic recovery with oil prices above $100 over barrel. That is shorthand for the idea that oil is the primary lubricant of economic growth and that it is not just the amount of oil one has to burn but also the quality, or net energy, of the oil that matters.

If we want to understand why all of the tried-and-true monetary and fiscal efforts have failed, we have to appreciate the headwinds that are offered by both a condition of too-much-debt and expensive energy. Neither alone can account for the economic malaise that stalks the world.

Getting a Little for a Lot

Trillions have been printed and injected into the world's economies, and yet things seem to be barely limping along, requiring constant attention and interventions from both fiscal and monetary authorities.

The broadest measure of money in the U.S. is Money of Zero Maturity, or MZM. Note that it has increased by an astonishing 44% since the start of the crisis:

We could similarly look at the Federal Reserve balance sheet, or excess reserves, or a dozen other indicators that all say the same thing: The money supply has been expanded enormously.

And what do we have to show for it?

Not much.

Since 2005 real – that is, inflation-adjusted – GDP has only expanded by 0.9% on an annualized basis. On a nominal basis (not inflation-adjusted), the number is only 2.9%, far below the 5%-6% required to sustain a banking system dependent on exponential growth in that range.

In a very nice piece of work entitled Our Investment Sinkhole Problem, Gail Tverberg put up this handy and extremely important chart:

Oil and GDP are highly correlated and always have been. The general observation is that growth in GDP is usually higher than growth in oil consumption - as growth in oil consumption powers economic growth. Without growth in oil consumption, GDP growth doesn't advance.

Back in 2009, in a piece entitled Oil - The Coming Supply Crunch (Part I), I calculated that every 1% increase in global GDP was associated with a 0.25% increase in oil consumption – in other words, a roughly 4:1 ratio.

Since 2007, something quite remarkable has happened in the world of oil, and that has been a decline in the consumption of oil in the U.S. and Europe -- with China and India pretty much making up the difference for everything that the West didn't consume.

That, plus a dramatic increase in the price of oil were the only ways to balance out the fact that since 2005 oil production has been essentially dead flat:

If the view that oil consumption and economic growth are linked is correct, then we might easily imagine that simply making money cheaper and more widely available would do little to boost the real economy.

Sure all that funny money will boost asset prices, but in this story, the tail does not and cannot wag the dog. Stock prices may rise, but unemployment will not budge. Bonds will become more expensive, but GDP will stall.

Hollowed Out

Now the Fed is finally showing signs of saying hey, what gives? as its policies do little to improve the things it publicly admits to wanting to improve.

In this recent speech by Janet Yellen, Vice Chair of the Fed, you can see her nibbling all around the edges of the mystery:

In the three years after the Great Recession ended, growth in real gross domestic product (GDP) averaged only 2.2 percent per year. In the same span of time following the previous 10 U.S. recessions, real GDP grew, on average, more than twice as fast--at a 4.6 percent annual rate. So, why has the economy's recovery from the Great Recession been so weak?

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[T]he unprecedented level and persistence of long-term unemployment in this recovery have prompted some to ask whether a significant share of unemployment since the recession is due to structural problems in labor markets and not simply a cyclical shortfall in aggregate demand. This question is important for anyone committed to the goal of maximum employment, because it implicitly asks whether the best we can hope for, even in a healthy economy, is an unemployment rate significantly higher than what has been achieved in the past.

For the Federal Reserve, the answer to this question has important implications for monetary policy. If the current, elevated rate of unemployment is largely cyclical, then the straightforward solution is to take action to raise aggregate demand.

If unemployment is instead substantially structural, some worry that attempts to raise aggregate demand will have little effect on unemployment and serve only to stoke inflation.

(Source)

As I said, the Fed is nibbling, but it is not yet even close to the center of the conundrum. Yes, there are structural issues at play, but they have as much to do with expensive oil as they do with any great shifts in labor market trends.

The main part to consider here is contained in the last two bolded parts in the above quote. If the Fed is just chucking more and more money into an economy that has fundamentally shifted into a lower gear, then all they are doing is laying the tinder for future inflation.

Given the amounts involved, the potential for a very punishing period of inflation is quite high, for reasons often discussed here, such as in the recent article QE For Dummies.

Economic Sinkholes

This leads us back to Gail Tverberg's piece on economic sinkholes. Her main point in that piece was that in times past, higher investment led to higher output. That is, spending led to economic growth, especially investment spending.

Carefully buried within higher oil prices are higher prices for every single economic activity that uses them. Along with diminishing ore yields come incrementally higher costs to simply, extract, and refine those ores, let alone fashion them into something useful.

Gail writes:

All types of mineral extraction, but particularly oil, eventually reach the situation where it takes an increasing amount of investment (money, energy products, and often water) to extract a given amount of resource. This situation arises because companies extract the cheapest to extract resources first, and move on to the more expensive to extract resources later.

As consumers, we recognize the situation through rising commodity prices. There is generally a real issue behind the rising prices -- not enough resource available in readily accessible locations -- so we need to dig deeper, or apply more “high tech” solutions. These high tech solutions indirectly require more investment and more energy, as well.

While we don’t stop to think about what is happening, the reality is that increasingly less oil (or other product such as natural gas, coal, gold, or copper) is being produced, for the same investment dollar. As long as the price of the product keeps rising sufficiently to cover the higher cost of extraction, the investor is happy, even if the cost of the resource is becoming unbearably high for consumers.

(Source)

The summary here is that it takes more and more to achieve less and less. The old form of economic growth is no longer with us, but the Fed still doesn't get it. It still has its eyes firmly trained on economic indicators and equations, having not yet raised its gaze into the real world where limits are being reached.

As Gail nicely encapsulates, many of those limits are carefully hidden from view as a slightly but steadily reducing net energy for oil seeps into every nook and cranny of our complex economy.

The sinkholes that we are facing now are extraordinary. Some of them are quite literal, and numerous, as Harrisburg, Pennsylvania is demonstrating:

Bottom Falls Out of Debt-Ridden City

Jan 31, 2013

HARRISBURG, Pa.—With midnight approaching on New Year's Eve, Sherri Lewis and her two children knelt to pray for a better year ahead.

A few minutes later, she heard a rumbling that sounded like fireworks. The ground outside her apartment had opened up, revealing a municipal disaster that shows how far this city's finances have sunk.

A sinkhole, measuring about 50 feet long and eight feet deep, had swallowed Ms. Lewis's street, damaging water and gas pipes and forcing more than a dozen residents to evacuate one of the city's poorest neighborhoods. "I thought the world was ending,'' says Ms. Lewis, 42 years old.

Harrisburg officials have identified at least 40 other sinkholes around the 50,000-person city. The combination of particularly sandy soil and leaky pipes under Harrisburg's streets make it susceptible to sinkholes, city officials say. But Harrisburg has a bigger problem: The Pennsylvania capital can't afford to replace many of the aging pipes, some of which date back to the 19th century.

The metaphor perfectly offered by Harrisburg is that once you run out economy, your current infrastructure alone may be well beyond your means to maintain.

The embodied energy in just our existing property, plant, and equipment is enormous. Nearly every high-tech dream – of a kinder, gentler future where 9 billion people somehow enjoy higher average standards of living than the current 7 billion – requires an extraordinary investment of energy.

Left out of this dream is a crisp articulation of exactly where that energy will come from and when we will begin to transition to prioritizing its use towards building and maintaining all of that new infrastructure. It's not enough to merely buy electric cars, should they ever be manufactured in sufficient quantities, because we also need new grid components, electrical storage, generation, and a thousand other components to pull it off.

I note that with every passing year, more and more internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles are manufactured and sold, not fewer and fewer. The past 7 years has seen the number of new ICE vehicles sold grow at a compounded rate of 3.7% per annum, and at that rate, 2013 should see more than 80,000,000 sold. That's up from just over 50,000,000 only ten years ago.

Every one of those represents the investment of energy and capital that will consume our remaining oil at the expense of anything else we might choose to do with that oil, such as maintain our current infrastructure as we build out the next one.

Conclusion

As we dump more and more money into the economy, hoping with all our collective might that it will once again sputter back to life and lift all fortunes and boats, too few are asking what happens if it does not.

If there are other factors at work here besides a simple case of too much debt, then the Fed is not only barking up the wrong tree, but is unaware that a very dangerous animal with a bad attitude is resting up there.

These are truly extraordinary times. I am in awe of the number of otherwise professional investors who believe that the Fed has things safely in hand. The amount of market insanity and complete disconnect from reality has me thankful that I already lived through a similar time and can keep things in perspective now.

That time was 2005 to 2007, when I was trading quite actively and thought the world had gone mad. Nothing made sense, because I was trying make sense of things that could not be made sense of. In times of extraordinarily abundant liquidity and loose monetary policies, all that has to be understood is that financial assets tend to run up in price during such moments.

The fact that this all ended quite badly then does little to make me think this time is going to end any better. Thin-air money, attempting to print one's way to prosperity, and spending more than you have are proven losers in the history books.

Yet here we are, doubling down – we're all in and I guess there's no turning back now. The Fed is going to keep with the program until forced to change by circumstances.

As I see it, the economy is broken and it will stay that way. Our only hope for an alternative would be to immediately cut our losses in those enterprises that do not make sense in a world of increasingly expensive liquid fuels, and invest heavily in those things that will help us transition to a future without fossil fuels.

I am quite aware that many decades’ worth of fossil fuels remain, but equally aware that all energy transitions require four to six decades under ideal conditions where one is transitioning to a higher quality fuel source and capital is expanding.

And under less-than-ideal conditions, where we are transitioning to a lower density energy source (as all alternative energy sources are) and capital is shrinking? There we might imagine it could take longer than usual; a 100-year transition period is not out of the question.

In the meantime, the best I can tell you is that the markets are reflecting liquidity, not reality, and that until and unless the world suddenly starts to produce a lot more crude oil and the U.S. and Europe increase their consumption of it, I will remain quite skeptical of all pronouncements of recovery in the West.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoeconomy; collapse; economy; recession; recovery

1 posted on 02/16/2013 10:28:07 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
And....

A Scary Reality About Wal-Mart's Customers: They're Broke

2 posted on 02/16/2013 10:32:58 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

It is broken because more than half of its able adult population does not want to work because they can subsist very nicely on Obama money. The other lesser half sees this and increasingly starts to wind down their ambitious capitalist endeavors if favor of minimizing the stealing that is besetting them.....

This problem is further compounded by dozens of millions of illegal aliens are here robbing, raping and murdering us (through disease, alcohol, guns/knives and inundating our K-12 public education institutions with their sweet little Reconquistas)......

We are so totally screwed. The only hope is to break the union now.


3 posted on 02/16/2013 10:33:55 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: blam; fatima; Fresh Wind; st.eqed; xsmommy; House Atreides; Nowhere Man; South Hawthorne; PaulZe; ..
Harrisburg potholes get honorable (?) mention.

PA Ping!

If you see posts of interest to Pennsylvanians, please ping me.

Thanks!

4 posted on 02/16/2013 10:34:48 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: blam

Re: your sinkhole part. Atlanta has a major major infrastructure of sewers and water service that is approaching over 120 years old. There have been cases like you show but on a larger scale - people died in these.

The Federal Government used to fine Atlanta constantly because of sewer overflows, etc. back in Bush’s time. I guess Obama is giving Kasim Reed medals and awards instead.

Why is this? Well, in 1972 Atlanta got its first black mayor and has had black mayors ever since. And, it is the reason why nothing substantive has been done about the infrastructure, education or other public City endeavors.

“Once you go black, you never go back” takes on a whole new meaning. Racist? Yes, probably. But it is true.


5 posted on 02/16/2013 10:39:26 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: blam
That's a lot .. to explain widgets are made cheaper in China than the US.

We jump for joy and anticipation by the announcement ... not the fact, but the announcement of maybe a widget factory will look into our community to build a factory that will put 250 people to work.

In a town of thousands or a city of tens/hundreds of thousands, eleventeen times more applications are initiated than can possibly be accepted.

THAT'S the psycological and physical state of our nation.

I grew up in the Boston area and NEVER had to look hard for a job and almost always walked in on a Thursday or Friday and started Monday.

After school, part time or full time .. it was all available.

Now, as an adult, and more aware .. I can understand that where I lived was (though I lived in a 'burb) bustling with manufacturing type work.

The key to a successful American economy is .. IMO .. manufacturing ... widgets, if you will ..


Build factories, not unions or political parties.

6 posted on 02/16/2013 10:43:30 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: blam

Had to read “Conclusions” twice as one has to be alert while reading some articles, and I am in a hurry to get outta here to my chores right now, but yes the author is saying basically the same thing we all are saying, and that is Drill Baby Drill, ‘cause it’s gonna take a long, long time for any alternatives to become viable.

Mrs. RQSR is ranting right now....something to the effect we need to rebuild our country, our economy again after the destruction by the Leftist’s, and other than that I cannot repeat her venomous commentary on a family site. She’s ticked off BIG TIME! I agree with her.


7 posted on 02/16/2013 10:44:56 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: blam

Nice wealth redistribution comments at the bottom of that article. Now they’re mad at the Wal-mart heirs? None of these bastards now how to start a store let alone control their finances with a weekly pay check by living within their means.

I’m so sick of these losers that don’t contribute.


8 posted on 02/16/2013 10:45:01 AM PST by CommieCutter
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To: blam
The single best marker for economic vitality is Velocity

M1 Multiplier is persistantly below 1

Household net worth continues to tank

And the GDP Velocity is at historic lows


9 posted on 02/16/2013 10:46:13 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: blam
Corporations are stockpiling cash equivalents


10 posted on 02/16/2013 10:49:07 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: blam

Chris Martenson has a quite excellent presentation that I highly recommened, called “Crash Course”.

http://www.peakprosperity.com/crashcourse

The one glaring (to me) error in his otherwise great presentation is his insistence upon “peak oil” and global warming and all the accompanying lore on those topics.

And indeed, he could be right about about peak (crude) oil production without having taken into account the boom in NatGas production and the potential for the increased uptake of NG into the US fuel consumption picture and the concomitant reduction in dollars sent overseas for foreign oil. The increase in NG could well be a positive factor in the US economic picture.

Other than that one beef I have with his views, “Crash Course” is superb.


11 posted on 02/16/2013 10:51:56 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: P.O.E.
Harrisburg potholes

Harrisburg is the model of what is wrong with America. It is ironic that the model of what is right about America can be found several miles to the west of Harrisburg. Low taxes at the county and local level, low unemployment, new businesses, reinvestment in infrastructure, good schools, low crime and a majority of the people are Republicans. The difference between Harrisburg and here is demographics. They don't call the West Shore the White Shore without reason.

The people in Harrisburg are so uneducated, ignorant and liberal that they would never think about looking a few miles away for a better way to do things. They rather look at other failed cities.

12 posted on 02/16/2013 10:58:11 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: blam

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13 posted on 02/16/2013 11:06:44 AM PST by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: blam

This writer bemoans that the fed is only nibbling around the edges of the root cause, yet the writer is only nibbling around the edges himself. The root cause is that socialism never works and true free enterprise has not yet been tried. Wall Street bailouts are not free enterprise,Obamacare is not free enterprise,special tax breaks to Facebook and other Obama cronies are not free enterprise. Bailouts to unions are not free enterprise. You get my point.

Getting away from fossil fuels,like this writer suggests, is not the answer to this problem. Getting rid of Obama, the dems and rinos is the answer. A transition from dependency to self reliance is the answer. A smaller government is the answer. Unfettered free enterprise is the answer.

We will not recover in full until socialism is completely abandoned in all of it’s parts and disguises.


14 posted on 02/16/2013 11:08:50 AM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: blam

If oil is $1 per barrel it will be that way for the whole world. Our problem is not oil. Our problem is that about all you buy is made with labor somewhere else. Make it here, is the only recovery.


15 posted on 02/16/2013 11:19:26 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Gaffer
Why is this? Well, in 1972 Atlanta got its first black mayor and has had black mayors ever since. And, it is the reason why nothing substantive has been done about the infrastructure, education or other public City endeavors. “Once you go black, you never go back” takes on a whole new meaning. Racist? Yes, probably. But it is true.

No, I don't think you're racist, maybe a "race realist." My father and I had a long discussion on this and he said, "one thing we don't do that the Blacks and most Hispanics do is stick together, whether it is for good or bad." He added, "instead we fight amongst ourselves." First off, if a person understands what America is all about, I don't care on skin color or where they came from. I've voted for Alan Keyes in the 2000 primary over G.W. Bush. I'd vote for Herman Cain, Walter Williams and so on in a minute. Still overall, many minorities tend to be monolithic or nearly so when they vote and what they expect the system to do for them.

We humans are not really that far from the caves. We do have basic animal instincts that lay deep within the R-Complex (Reptillian) part of the brain as well as the more mammalian part called the limbic system. Through millions and billions of years, life has learned many things to survive. Some animals of the same species and type bound together for common survival, it is common evolution, those that learned these ideas survive while others did not. Same with humans, until it is proven that someone who is different is of good character and can be trusted, naturally suspicions will arise. We are still much like that today with the exceptions of those who took the PC hook, line and sinker, they traded their survival instincts to "play kumbaya." We do not need to take the first to the point of enacting genocide of course but the latter is a sure form of suicide. I like what Ronald Reagan said, "trust but verify."

Getting back to my discussion with Dad, I'm afraid he is correct when I go out and verify for myself. I hate to think that way, it even goes against my hard core libertarian beliefs, but I cannot deny the truth.

It's like when we took in my aunt's Burmese cat, Muffin. Because my cousin kicked her when he was high and stoned on drugs, she did not like men. She did warm up to me because over time, she could trust and verify that I'm OK. It's like that with people.

One last note, any Freepers that belong to any of these groups, I'm not talking about you, you get it and I applaud that, I'm just going on what I see at large.
16 posted on 02/16/2013 11:23:54 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: P.O.E.; lightman
Fill 'em all in with subhuman muzzie filth, pack-tightly with semi-liquid pigshit-binder, top-off 1" ½" crushed bluestone on surface, re-tar, let dry and roads are emminently-usable again. Solves 2+ problems, simultaneously at a fraction of the cost.
17 posted on 02/16/2013 11:37:38 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s Are The 21st Century's Muskets. Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!)
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To: blam

I am not losing sleep. Obama promised he would take care of me.


18 posted on 02/16/2013 11:51:44 AM PST by kaehurowing
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To: knarf

Bump.


19 posted on 02/16/2013 11:55:06 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: blam
The Real Reason the Economy Is Broken (And Will Stay That Way)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYkl3XlEneA


20 posted on 02/16/2013 12:02:51 PM PST by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: carriage_hill

I can only read your post and shake my head.

Why?

Why use only 1” 1/2 crushed bluestone?


21 posted on 02/16/2013 12:24:49 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: blam
"The Real Reason the Economy Is Broken"

A. Lack of manufacturing. We've seen third world countries with large populations living in squalor in economies that try to thrive on agriculture and energy without much manufacturing (exception: Canada, with very small, ingenuous population and enormous amounts of oil and other natural resources).

B. Because Americans were born lazy, stupid and worthless, while foreign communist slaves are far better than Americans. You deserve to be unemployed, starved, watched for trivial regulatory violations, to continue to be rental slaves, frightened and robbed to prevent you from having children, marked for the rest of your lives with records of trivial/irrelevant complaints (cigarette smoking, using your private properties without permits, writing sexist pronouns, owning firearms,...), put in romanistic dungeons for romanistic torture entertainment and eventually exterminated to make room for animals and the natural environment (and oh, us bipartisan elite folks, of course).

America, choose one of the answers above. Are you right (A), or are the sitting bureaucrat sturgeons of debt right (B)?

[Hint: most of the elite folks are much more recently descended from Europe than we real Americans defamed and officiously robbed by them.]


22 posted on 02/16/2013 12:45:51 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: P.O.E.

That’s the filler and “base coat”; pave it over with 4” of a “rice coat layer” for a smooth patch on the road. That muzzie’d be so sealed-in by tar and layers of macadam, that he’s never get out, except via pneumatic drill and a backhoe.


23 posted on 02/16/2013 2:12:03 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s Are The 21st Century's Muskets. Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!)
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To: Gaffer
This problem is further compounded by dozens of millions of illegal aliens are here robbing, raping and murdering us (through disease, alcohol, guns/knives and inundating our K-12 public education institutions with their sweet little Reconquistas)......

Top 10 rule of an economic meltdown : "Do NOT be a foreigner"

Retribution will be monstrous and brought by the same people who coaxed them here to begin with.

24 posted on 02/16/2013 2:57:22 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Other than that one beef I have with his views, “Crash Course” is superb.

Well, that's a pretty big beef. It's the same one I have with this article. It's nonsense to claim that the problem with our economy is that it's costing more to extract fuel and minerals and consumers won't pay it.

The problem with our economy is that the Fed printed too much money which led to a huge, exploding real estate bubble. This crisis was swiftly followed by the election of a president who has kept the money-printing in place all the while threatening businesses with higher taxes and ballooning labor costs.

The article sucked. IMHO.

25 posted on 02/16/2013 3:24:57 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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To: blam

Simply put, they are running out of other people’s money.


26 posted on 02/16/2013 3:35:32 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: blam

BTTT


27 posted on 02/16/2013 5:16:07 PM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Gaffer

Japan is trying to address their ‘Comfortable Poor’.

When debating how to stimulate aggregate demand, no one brings up “Say’s Law”. There are answers out there but first they have to admit they were wrong in the first place. It’s the first step to real recovery.
But, Central Planners never think they’re wrong.


28 posted on 02/16/2013 5:22:19 PM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: knarf
******The worldwide experiment of using an exponential rise in debt driven by Governments and their Central Banks to hide the lack of jobs that produce real goods is beginning to fail******

Automation and computerization have severely reduced the number of men needed to produced steel, washing machines and injection mold plastics etc. In the case of America we had evil free trade polices that accelerated this decline in "guys jobs". It made Japan and China richer and us poorer and now Asia leads in many technological areas that feed into production of high tech items. American big corporations and big capital got wealthier from free trade as US workers got poorer. WalMart became larger (in income) than General Motors 17 years ago. WalMart showed you could make more money selling foreign and some domestic items than producing them which is what we used to be known for and what sustains a middle class.. The real estate bubble (ginned up by Greenspan/Federal Reserve easy money policies) temporarily created millions of good paying guys jobs. So many guy jobs we had a few hundred thousands illegal aliens guys also hammering nails.

There is nothing good after this "new normal" so do not lie to yourselves. There will be no automobile making revolution to supplant the obsolete (cliched) buggy whip manufacturers and make America more prosperous. There will be armies of non-producers (welfare state takers) who will look to the state for sustenance and who will vote for the Obamas who will provide this. Capital and wealth will become more concentrated because a fair and decent wealth distribution depends on a morally solid and prosperous middle class that only gets this way by making useful real tangible goods for a real world not a phony world of paper assets, and hyper-fiatized Federal Reserve issued money . You gotta mine it, make it or grow it. Computerization, automation , free trade kill this.

I despise the cultural left, capitalism is the best economic system, but we have large contradictions in it right now
29 posted on 02/16/2013 5:39:34 PM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: carriage_hill

Much better. Talk about “shovel ready”....


30 posted on 02/16/2013 6:36:05 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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