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Report: Army Discharging Overweight Soldiers
Newsmax ^ | Monday, 10 Dec 2012 03:03 PM | Todd Beamon

Posted on 12/10/2012 11:46:33 PM PST by Olog-hai

The Army’s looking for thinner men and women. The leading cause of civilians not making the cut is obesity, the Washington Post reports, and budgetary concerns are leading the Army to drop those who cannot meet its fitness standards. …

The Army kicked out 1,625 active-duty personnel for being out of shape during the first 10 months of the year—nearly 16 times more than in 2007, the peak of wartime deployment cycles, the Post reports. …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: heartattackcity; military; overweightgis
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1 posted on 12/10/2012 11:46:39 PM PST by Olog-hai
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I don’t see the problem of kicking out soldiers who are not fit enough.... provided they are given a warning and adequate time to shape up


2 posted on 12/10/2012 11:58:22 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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Fat soldiers going off the fiscal cliff.


3 posted on 12/11/2012 12:02:23 AM PST by tdscpa
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4 posted on 12/11/2012 12:09:42 AM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Cronos
Nor do I. But then again, there were the stories about overweight civilians being accepted as soldiers when that shouldn’t have happened.

And then, there is this odd blurb out of the WaPo’s account of the discharge policies . . .
The strict enforcement of fitness requirements in the Army has cast a spotlight on its fitness test, which some soldiers say unfairly labels strong, capable soldiers as unfit. The two-pronged test involves a physical endurance portion during which troops must do sit-ups, push-ups and a brief run. The second phase is a height and weight measurement. The criteria for both vary depending on age.

Some soldiers who are muscular are astonished to fail the height-weight standard. The first time he took the test, Staff Sgt. Ammiel Banayat was surprised to find that he was over the limit. He is 5 feet 5 inches tall and weighs just more than 160 pounds. To override the standard, he was subjected to a body-fat index test that takes into account tape measurements of the neck and waistlines. …
It isn’t just fat ones, apparently.
5 posted on 12/11/2012 12:22:27 AM PST by Olog-hai
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Make them charge up a hill all day and night till they get it right.


6 posted on 12/11/2012 12:36:21 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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with weapons and packs
7 posted on 12/11/2012 12:51:24 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Olog-hai

interesting bit from the WaPo —> a bodybuilder has a higher BMI than many overweight people, but is much fitter


8 posted on 12/11/2012 1:19:30 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Olog-hai

A number of years ago, while I was in the Air Force....they went to the tape-method. For me, I was returning from the first Gulf War and on day two of the return to the US....they wanted to tape me. So they weighed me (I was seven pounds under my max)...but I was an inch over my tape-point, so I failed. Kind of a miserable way to introduce a guy to the program, but that’s the way they did it.

Eight years pass and I’m working in a new office. We have a young guy...22 years old...sports-nut....who is 12 pounds under his max. He fails the tape. He spends the next month losing five pounds...he’s still an inch over the tape-allowance. He spends a second month losing four pounds...still half an inch over the tape. Third month...he’s losing interest in this game and loses no weight. The leadership gets angry about this ‘attitude’. He’s sitting twenty pounds under his max. He just smiles at them and says do anything you want...he had five months left in the military and had a $90k job offered to him and this weight game had cut him the wrong way.

The tape business works good in the lab but it’s not a practical method of figuring how a guy should look. I’d say at best...it’s sixty percent accurate. It breeds the thin-look. If a thin-guy can fill three hundred sand-bags in a day...great...but I know that will never happen.


9 posted on 12/11/2012 1:43:23 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Olog-hai

That’s non-PC!


10 posted on 12/11/2012 2:05:22 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: pepsionice
Two (2) things about this:

1. I would like to see a demographic breakdown of those who were discharged for this.
M/F, race/age, MOS, etc. I think that info might be ...'enlightening.'

2. What were their PT Test scores. Personally, I think anyone who passes their PT Test - legitimately passes - should be given the GO on this.
11 posted on 12/11/2012 2:09:03 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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I’ll add one other comment to this whole discussion. If you took the guys who were being discharged into a health examination...most of them have physical/emotional issues from the various deployments. They will eventually collect disability...figure thirty to fifty percent.


12 posted on 12/11/2012 2:27:09 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Olog-hai
Unfortunately, most will still be able to join police, fire and ambulance services in most areas as those standards where completely shut down when it came to physical fitness.

Should they fail to measure up there, they can become nurses as they are among the fattest in nation's history.

13 posted on 12/11/2012 2:34:06 AM PST by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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the new Army is gonna lose half its female troops if they start taping the single mamas AND “if” they hold everyone to the same standards (which I doubt they will)

(Do these BDU’s make my butt look big? Nah, your butt is just big)

just sayin’


14 posted on 12/11/2012 2:45:43 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Olog-hai
To override the standard, he was subjected to a body-fat index test that takes into account tape measurements of the neck and waistlines. …

This is pretty common. I don't know where the Army gets its height/weight standards, but I ALWAYS get taped. According to the Army's numbers, I'm about 40 pounds overweight. Then I get taped, and I'm well within the body fat standards. It's more of an annoyance than anything else; I've been doing it since my junior year of college.

15 posted on 12/11/2012 2:50:33 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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I retired in 2011 from the Navy and glad to not have to participate in the dope a rope anymore. What a terrible way to handle fitness. There has to be other ways to find out if people are healthy and can do their job. I passed all 48 tests I took and passed the tape but it was a close call quite a few times after 35 until 42 when I took the last test.


16 posted on 12/11/2012 3:00:20 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Olog-hai

“Gay Pride” parades show homosexuals to be “fit” in the manner being described. Is this an attempt to increase their ratio of numbers in our former military?


17 posted on 12/11/2012 3:30:15 AM PST by Does so (Dims don't think ... they PLOT!)
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It isn’t just fat ones, apparently.

We're doing the same thing in the navy with the same results. Some guys who are obviously in great shape fail the "rope and choke" while other guys who are clearly obese yet blessed with fat necks pass the taping. It also depends on who's doing the taping. Sometimes the tape is cinched tightly around the neck, other times sailors scrunch their head down and the tape is held loose resulting in drastically different measurements. Taping is far from scientific yet careers are being ended (or retained) due to this practice.

18 posted on 12/11/2012 3:30:15 AM PST by Drew68
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19 posted on 12/11/2012 3:30:23 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Cronos

The army has had a weight control policy for decades.
There is more to being fit than meeting a height/weight standard. I was often included in the overweight group until I could get a body fat measurement from a doctor. I’d return with a note allowing me to have another 20 or 30 pounds above my current weight.
I never had a problem with physical fitness tests and worked out regularly. I thought strength was more important for our mission than looking pretty.


20 posted on 12/11/2012 3:51:30 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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