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1 posted on 12/10/2012 11:46:39 PM PST by Olog-hai
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I don’t see the problem of kicking out soldiers who are not fit enough.... provided they are given a warning and adequate time to shape up


2 posted on 12/10/2012 11:58:22 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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4 posted on 12/11/2012 12:09:42 AM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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Make them charge up a hill all day and night till they get it right.


6 posted on 12/11/2012 12:36:21 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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That’s non-PC!


10 posted on 12/11/2012 2:05:22 AM PST by cunning_fish
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Unfortunately, most will still be able to join police, fire and ambulance services in most areas as those standards where completely shut down when it came to physical fitness.

Should they fail to measure up there, they can become nurses as they are among the fattest in nation's history.

13 posted on 12/11/2012 2:34:06 AM PST by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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I retired in 2011 from the Navy and glad to not have to participate in the dope a rope anymore. What a terrible way to handle fitness. There has to be other ways to find out if people are healthy and can do their job. I passed all 48 tests I took and passed the tape but it was a close call quite a few times after 35 until 42 when I took the last test.


16 posted on 12/11/2012 3:00:20 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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“Gay Pride” parades show homosexuals to be “fit” in the manner being described. Is this an attempt to increase their ratio of numbers in our former military?


17 posted on 12/11/2012 3:30:15 AM PST by Does so (Dims don't think ... they PLOT!)
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19 posted on 12/11/2012 3:30:23 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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I know in the Marine Corps you could get a weight lifters waiver from the corpsman. It had to be documented though that you were over your weight limit because you were a muscle bound gym rat.


23 posted on 12/11/2012 4:36:11 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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It is perfectly all right, however, to f*ck your buddy up the arse in the shower, as long as you look svelte while doing it.

All hail the New Age.


24 posted on 12/11/2012 4:47:05 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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"...I'll confess, I paid someone $5.00 to do three laps of my qualifying "run" while in Thailand. Some guy who obviously was part deer (and needed the money)gladly participated. The course was laid out around the gym and a group of barracks (4 laps). I started and the first half lap, pinned the three digit number on my deer, he ran the next 3 laps, stopped by my observation and refreshment station (grins),I got pinned (the number)and finished the last half lap. He got paid and went off happy with two beers, I went to sleep. Running wasn't high on my objectives that day after doing a 14 hour night shift and 95 degree morning....well, it showed initiative and thinking outside the box, and I slept well

28 posted on 12/11/2012 5:13:53 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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This always happens when there is a RIF (reduction in force) planned. The first to go are the white guys because the females and the blacks and Latinos and gays are protected species in the PC military.

It doesn't matter if you are all muscle and sinew and not an ounce of fat, because the medical department has this height, weight, body mass index chart and if you run afoul of it because of your body type, you are screwed. You will be thrown out and your career will be over. If you haven't reached the magic years of service to qualify for retirement age, you lose everything. You don't get a dime and it applies to active duty, national guard, or reservists. You will get no thank you from a grateful nation — instead you'll get a ?get lost and don't bother us again”.

29 posted on 12/11/2012 6:33:08 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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Sgt: You are 20 lbs overweight. You are out!
Pvt: I’m gay.
Sgt: Welcome back.


31 posted on 12/11/2012 6:37:36 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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I don’t know about the Army, but the Navy separates members for not meeting their standards. Those physical standards quite often have nothing to do with being “fit”.


32 posted on 12/11/2012 6:39:47 AM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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The Army sent out a survey to all Commanders asking for their input on fitness standards. This was back in the days of the old five event PT test. I wrote back and told them to go around the world and talk to combat veterans and ask them what level of fitness was required for combat. They didn’t do that. They were expanding the Army and wanted something cheap, so we ended up with the three event test. It had nothing to do with combat fitness. It had to do with being cheap. There is no equipment required for the three event test of pushups, situps and a two mile run. So, Soldiers, your senior leaders could care less about preparing you for combat. What they cared about was cost. We’ve been fighting for eleven years in Afghanistan with skinny, fit Soldiers and we can’t win. Maybe we need smart leaders instead.


33 posted on 12/11/2012 6:40:16 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Olog-hai; Squantos; Travis McGee

If they do this how are you going to tell who the quartermasters and cooks are?

Running for the bunker.


36 posted on 12/11/2012 9:59:23 AM PST by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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I dunno. Back in the day a lot of Nam vets who got shot up and didn’t want out of the Army ended up in support units where they could not only do the job they were billeted to but they were experienced combat vets who could be counted on in a pinch if their support units ran into some deep doodoo. We called them “profiles” back then and they couldn’t pass a PT test or a tape test but they could do their job. I think guys like that earned staying in for their 20 but that’s just my opinion.


39 posted on 12/11/2012 5:03:04 PM PST by jwalsh07
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