Skip to comments.Sign Petitions to Secede
Posted on 11/13/2012 6:38:46 AM PST by Beauceron
Sign petition to allow your state to secede from the Union. If the White House gets 25k signature they must investigate and respond. Texas already has theirs.
Go to https://petitions.whitehouse.gov
You have to sign the petition with the white house?
Will that put you on the governments sh*t list? Knock, knock.... Who’s there.... The government, will you please come with us...
secede and then what?
There are a hundred more productive, more worthwhile and more intelligent ways to show your post-election anger.
Even if this is just symbolic, it’s absurd.
I have seen the many on Facebook that seem hesitant to sign the petitions on the Whitehouse.gov site, afraid they could be targeted. Here’s a hint clue...you are already a target. This White House in collusion with Google maps has a nice little flag on your house, either red or blue, and even if you’re not registered to vote and your house has no flag, they know you did not support The One with your vote! Raise your voice, do not let intimidation silence you.
If we could get the normal 50 states to secede, then Hussein and his imaginary 7 states would be left with the $16 Trillion debt and he could spend till his heart’s conent.
18 USC Chapter 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES
18 USC § 2381 Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
USC Title 18 Part I Chapter 115 § 2383prevnext..18 USC § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
18 USC § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
18 USC § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms organizes and organize, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
Listen, I love the idea of state secession as much as any patriot. But this ISN'T the way to go about it.
Best way to go about it is to get your state to resist ANY and EVERY mandate out of this illegitimate federal government. Get your state's congress and governor to say, "SCREW YOU, OBAMA!" when told they will shut down power plants or implement Obamacare. Secede from this federal government, NOT the union itself. Less blood that way. At the beginning, at least.
Did Thomas Jefferson ask King George if the colonies could secede?
No - he (and the other signers of the DOI) told the king “We’re out of here, and you can go to the Nether Regions”.
What’s your point? These are open petitions to allow peaceful secession by the several states. It is not treason, sedition or subversive activity. It may be unrealistic, but it’s not treasonous.
I suppose there is a difference,
but isn’t refusing to abide by federal law/mandates,
simply de facto secession?
In the America I was raised in the government feared me, the citizen. I’ll be damned if I’m going to live in fear of them. If the citizens of 1776 lived in fear, we’d be eating crumpets and worrying about Charles becoming king.
I think its some really bad PR for the right.
Back in 04 when all the liberals were doing this there wasn’t a peep out of the media but we all know how the media will treat this.
i just looked at the White House site. There are 32 such petitions. That’s 64% of the country as it is now constituted. That is something the is HUGH and SERIES!
“There are a hundred more productive, more worthwhile and more intelligent ways to show your post-election anger.
Even if this is just symbolic, its absurd.”
There are? What are those? Do tell.
It’s over. There is nothing to fight for in this country any longer. The America I was born and raised in is dead. It was killed. The battle is lost.
What are you going to propose, giving money to my local Republican candidate? They aren’t going to win— unless they succeed in pandering to the Latino vote and granting amnesty to millions of illegals — forgive me— undocumented americans. And they still won’t get much of that vote. Join the Tea Party? They’re dead— and anyways they were crushed in a media battle they never stood a chance of winning anyway. Portrayed as a bunch of racist, emtpty-headed old white men, that is, in effect, what they became. For groups, you are what the media says you are. Bitch on conservative forums? No one reads them but the choir. This at least will piss some Leftists off.
Hell, in most areas of the country you can’t even criticize this President for fear of being accused of being a racist or a rube— that’s a far bigger win for any politician than a simple election.
It is an empty, hollow protest to be sure. But don’t kid yourselves: that’s all there is left. Taking pokes at authority, throwing a wrench in the machine on occassion. There is nothing else to do.
So do it.
Your point? The only Treasonous acts committed so far have been committed by those holding office. Of course there are those glowing comparisons between Lincoln and Obama.
There is still a First Amendment and the right of the people to seek redress. If we must live in fear of opposing our government then we have no right to claim to be free citizens and the republic is finished.
Right. That is REAL SMART. Put your name and address on a GOVENMENT HIT LIST. SMART. REAL, REAL SMART. Idiots.
Negotiate a free trade agreement and mutual defense treaty with the remaining USA (and any other states that may have seceded), and as far as currency goes, stay on the dollar, for convenience sake.
Succession, it won’t come easily. They won’t just give it to us. And to negotiate it ...well they will want to give us 75% of the debt since we never paid our fair share.
Those who would want to move to a free state would have to leave all their wealth behind as well. Just like a refugee would...are you really ready to put your family through that? Are you ready to do that? Thousands did it a little over 200 years ago.
Egggsactly! There are 30 Republican Guvs. All they have to do is STOP obeying DC and STOP sending in the tax revenue. Then Obama and his Marxists will have their Cloward-Piven crash. Only then it will be Obama and his Marxists that will crash. JMHO.
No, if you look at the signatures ...it is a lot of the same people signing all the petitions.
WHERE IS THAT FR SANITY BUTTON!
Leave all of our wealth behind? Why? What makes you say that? Sell everything you can, take the money and run. Simple.
It’s a good way to protest and get attention.
I for one would not think of getting attention by signing such a petition, as many have said, those signing could be put on some undesirable list.
I did review one of the first petitions, I believe Louisiana, and most signatures at that time were not from Louisiana. I cannot see how signatures from say CA, NY, MT or whatever validates a Louisiana petition.
And as another poster said, the White House does not have authority to grant secession. The Civil War era I believe each individual state held a convention or referendum where the people of that state approved succession and drafted a document accordingly and succeeded without anyone’s permission.
I just looked at the list, not who signed them. It is still over half the country. For what ever the reason(s) behind the petitions.
Exactly so! That's what I would advocate rather than separation from the union. It's possible (a slim chance, but rather that than blood) that if enough states resist federal mandates, they become unenforceable paper, capable of doing no citizen harm.
Yes, people from other states have signed our petition. Texas already has enough to trigger automatic review. By signing other states petition, you can help them over the hump.
“we petition the obama administration to:
Peacefully grant the State of Michigan to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.”
I’m sorry, but the decision to secede doesn’t need presidential approval! These petitions are stupid. Let’s just do it people. Start a tax revolt in this country that starves the beast of its blood.
“Advocating overthrow of Government”
Secession isn’t sedition. The tenth amendment guarantees the sovereignty of the states. The federal government did not create the states: the states created the federal government and it’s by this principle that the states can un-create it by removing themselves from it.
Your US Code falls short of addressing the sovereignty of the states.
I am proud to be on the Obama s#!t list! I am honored to be in the company of other like minded patriots. As a freeper, an NRA member and for various other reasons, I’m sure I’m already on some “list”. When the time comes that our government starts going after people on lists, It is time to “vote from the roof tops”.
You are absolutely wrong. The Founding Fathers exerted extensive efforts for more than a year to avoid the necessity of declaring independence. It was only the British Crown’s insistence upon abrogating the Royal charters and the lawfully constituted colonial governments that provoked and made a necessity of rebelling against a British Government in which the colonists were deprived of legislative and reasonable judicial representation.
Subsequent to the gaining of independence, the Founding Fathers as leaders of the new confederation and then federation of states were challenged by rioters, insurrectionists, and rebels. In each instance these Founding Fathers observed how the rebels were not in the same circumstance as the colonists were in the War of Independence, and therefore the rebels confronting the United States Government and the state government had no legitimate basis upon which to claim the same causes as the rebels in the War of Independence.
Likewise, the current fashion for secession is illegal, immoral, and without any right to claim the justifications used in the War of Independence. On the contrary, the would be secessionists in effect advocate a course of action that would wrongfully alienate individuals, families, businesses, and the common cefense in furtherence of the enemy desier to bring about the disunion of the United States as part of a divide and conquer strategy. Every person who advocates this illegal secession is giving direct aid and comfort to the Obama Administration, the Democrats, domestic Communists, foreign Communists, and other belligerant foreign governments and organizations.
Worse still is the fact that secession, even if it were not illegal, serves no useful purpose whatsoever in combatting the malfeasance in the domestic governments. Instead, advocating secession is akin to shooting a hand off to let the hand drag itself off and leave the rest of the body behind. This can only be described as one of the most stupid and foolish acts of unnecessary and unproductive acts of self-destruction imaginable.
Why then would anyone with half of a working brain for one moment choose to help the Communist agents provoke such self-destructivee measures?
Why petition? Why not just do it? As if the government will approve.
Very well put, and unfortunately also very true.
The Soviet constitution expressly allowed the constituent republics to secede. The Baltic states made noises about actually doing so and were - big surprise - occupied by Soviet military forces and sat on pretty hard.
The mutterings did signal a wind change however. Just a few years later the Soviet Union was too bankrupt and unpopular to get the troops out of barracks and keep the Soviet Union alive. Dissolution along natural cultural, historical and ethnic lines followed. The Soviet Union is no more, and on balance after some shock the people of the former Soviet Union are for the most part better off with the death of the overly centralized and restrictive Soviet government.
The United States is not -yet- destitute enough for this to happen, but one can see it from here. In the mean time, there is no doubt that the federal government can and will cheerfully extirpate anyone they wish who presents any dissent they are not willing to indulge. Demonstrating that will and ability was the point of the exercises at Ruby Ridge under a Republican President and Waco under a Democrat President. Presently, like the Soviets in the mid 1980s, the federal can and would ‘send in the troops’ That will not always be the case, however.
For some the United States is sacrosanct and is effectively a god, like Roma. This is ironic given the position of the Founding Fathers who did not make a fetish or cult of a dead and counterproductive system. Their perspective was timeless:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
Anyway, on this day during this year, secession or dissolution is going nowhere.
To quote an old hippy song: Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose.
“Demonstrating that will and ability was the point of the exercises at Ruby Ridge under a Republican President and Waco under a Democrat President. Presently, like the Soviets in the mid 1980s, the federal can and would send in the troops That will not always be the case, however.”
Both times, those unfortunate events involved ATF (and federal marshalls in the case of Ruby Ridge), not regular US Army soldiers. And Randy Weaver ultimately won his battle (altough at teriffic cost), and a nasty explosion at a federal building exactly two years after Waco put the kibosh on that kind of government ham-handedness, at least for a while. When real soldiers (as opposed to security forces) are turned against the common people, it tends to boomerang against the government that sends them—this was true during the Novocherkassk riots in 1962 (Soviet soldiers sided with the riorters) and in 1989 when Romanian soldiers fought against the security troops.
Ok. I signed it yesterday. is there a big red target on my back now? as much as there was one the first time i posted here.
courage my friends.
As a number of sources have reported, the Soviet KGB and its post-Soviet successors have remarked, their goal was to provoke and incite the disunion of the United States and the outbreak of a civil war. The Communist Party USA is gleefully observing the current events and advocating a revolution and a violent revolution in direct violation of a number of Federal laws.
It is a customary tactic of the Communists to use agents masquerading as members of their enemies’ communities to provoke improper conduct useful for propaganda purposes and for inciting riots, insurrection, rebellion, and other civil disorder. Since it would be useful to the Communist goals to incite unrest by advocating the secession of the states, you can be highly confident that one or more of the people suggesting secession among disgruntled conservatives are in fact Communist provocateurs attempting to lead unsuspecting conservatives like a Judas goat leading lambs to a slaughter. Doing so helps sway public opinion in favor of the Communists and Democrats while dividing and intimidating the remaining conservatives.
It is also to be expected that the Communists will not hesitate to use one or more of their moles among the conservatives to perpetrate a false flag and violent attack against the Federal and/or state governments for the express purpose of triggering one or more of the Federal legal codes and thereby implicating the non-violent people also advocating secesion in the actions of the violent acts of the Communist moles. The Department of Homeland Security has already gone to extensive efforts to villify the TEA Party members and the naton’s political and religious conservatives. This was the setup for an attack upon those communities upon the occurrence of a violent false falg incident. The advocacy and a Communist mole’s perpetration of a false flag secession crime is jsut the sort of incident they seek to bring about a reaction by law enforcement against conservatives advocating secession, illegal or legal.
So, the point is that advocating secession, peacefully or not, is assisting the Communists, the Obama Administration, and the Democrats to attack and severely damage the conservative community.
The states can be alienated from the Union only in the same manner by which they joined the Union. Secession can be accomplished only by the consent of Congress and ratification by each of the states in the Union as set forth in the Articles of Confederation Article XIII and the U.S. Constitution Article IV.
The advocay of secession is regarded as subversve, seditious,, and/or treasonous conduct if and when it is accompanied by some combination of armed attack, violence and perhaps in support of a foreign enemy with respect to treason. Thos people who think they are in a safe zone because they believe they are non-violently protesting may be in for some very rudde surprises if and when a Communist and/or other enemy agent provacateur provides the necesary violent incident/s necessary to justfy law enforcement’s reaction against all people who advocated secession, peacefully or not. At that point some people are going to be asking what was supposedd to be so innocent about peacefully addvocating secession, which can only be detrimental to the conservative movement, all U.S. citizens, and the effort to remove the corruption from the Union of the United Sttates.
The crimes you cited involve advocating for the destruction of the U.S. government by force or aiding its enemies. These petitions are requesting peaceful withdrawal from the Union and do not advocate or seek to overthrow the federal government by force. It’s merely a request to separate peacefully. “You go your way, we’ll go ours. Good luck to ya.” That’s not a crime.
Right. That is REAL SMART. Put your name and address on a GOVENMENT HIT LIST. SMART. REAL, REAL SMART. Idiots.
I guess that says it all. Beck is saying the same thing you are.
If our government has a hit list and we fear our government, then it is all over anyhow, isn’t it?
For some maybe this is the last great act of defiance. It’s their *rude gesture*
We aren’t free. We are fearful slaves.
I bet the fact people from one state signing petition for another state will just be laughed at by WH.
This is stupid. it makes the signer feel good but in reality does nothing. As previous poster mentioned many of same people signing multiple petitions. That in itself invalidates any worthiness they had. Just like people from outa area signing to put questions of ballots. when checked it doesn’t have the validity to move the proposition or in this case the “petition” to the next step.
Many have stated we need to address recounts and any issues we have with the govt through our OWN STATE channels.
we need to quit the pipe dreams and deal with true methods.
Read my other posts. Democrats, their government prosecutors, the Department of Homeland Security, the Democrat dominated judiciary, and the Democrat controlled MSM will have a field day against anyone advocation peaceful secession once one or more of their Communist agent provocateurs perpetrates one or more violent acts to provoke a response by law enforcement. Protestations of peaceful advocating of secession will then fall on deaf ears, conservatives will be wrongfully suppresseed, and conservative efforts to remove the illegitimate government will be sabotaged. Do you really think doing something so improper and illegitimate to make yourself feel ggod and boastful is not destructive towards the conservative effort to end the Democrat-Communist usuropatons and corruption?
That is a very impressive list of offenses you have there. If I was George Washington, and the king of England threw that kind of legalese at me, I might of just called it quits and went home. Consent of the governed, that is what we have lost. Attempts at secession will only be met with force and bloodshed by the federal government, because they are playing by their own rules now, and we really have no say in the matter anymore.
That does it, you’re off of my Christmas list.
While you’re sitting around trying to think up some more spine-shaking insults to hurl around in a tantrum, you might want to consider how to remove the crminals from the U,S. and state governments instead of our conservvatives. Acting suicidal with nonsensical secession petitions certainly does not inspiree the confidence or support of the conservative community taking meaningful measures against the criminals.
I signed, I understand it’s symbolic but before I did it - it did cross my mind that we have a vengeful administration.
Bad things happen to those who oppose Obama, not talking about death (not that we know of) but finances and reputations are ruined.
I did have a moment of fear of my government.
I hope this is hurts his monsterous ego. Which is why I did it.
I signed the WV petition. I will also be signing onto the NC, MS, and LA petitions. They are places I've lived, or visit a lot. The people who live there are mostly into America, instead of Amerika. I'm #1260 on the WV petition. I signed up an hour ago, and it is currently posting 1657+...
I prefer liberty, but am not afraid of death! I have a very good Friend in a VERY High place!