Posted on 11/13/2012 6:38:46 AM PST by Beauceron
Sign petition to allow your state to secede from the Union. If the White House gets 25k signature they must investigate and respond. Texas already has theirs.
Go to https://petitions.whitehouse.gov
You have to sign the petition with the white house?
Will that put you on the governments sh*t list? Knock, knock.... Who’s there.... The government, will you please come with us...
secede and then what?
There are a hundred more productive, more worthwhile and more intelligent ways to show your post-election anger.
Even if this is just symbolic, it’s absurd.
I have seen the many on Facebook that seem hesitant to sign the petitions on the Whitehouse.gov site, afraid they could be targeted. Here’s a hint clue...you are already a target. This White House in collusion with Google maps has a nice little flag on your house, either red or blue, and even if you’re not registered to vote and your house has no flag, they know you did not support The One with your vote! Raise your voice, do not let intimidation silence you.
If we could get the normal 50 states to secede, then Hussein and his imaginary 7 states would be left with the $16 Trillion debt and he could spend till his heart’s conent.
18 USC Chapter 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES
18 USC § 2381 – Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
USC › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 115 › § 2383prevnext..18 USC § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
18 USC § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
18 USC § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
Listen, I love the idea of state secession as much as any patriot. But this ISN'T the way to go about it.
Best way to go about it is to get your state to resist ANY and EVERY mandate out of this illegitimate federal government. Get your state's congress and governor to say, "SCREW YOU, OBAMA!" when told they will shut down power plants or implement Obamacare. Secede from this federal government, NOT the union itself. Less blood that way. At the beginning, at least.
Did Thomas Jefferson ask King George if the colonies could secede?
No - he (and the other signers of the DOI) told the king “We’re out of here, and you can go to the Nether Regions”.
What’s your point? These are open petitions to allow peaceful secession by the several states. It is not treason, sedition or subversive activity. It may be unrealistic, but it’s not treasonous.
I suppose there is a difference,
but isn’t refusing to abide by federal law/mandates,
simply de facto secession?
In the America I was raised in the government feared me, the citizen. I’ll be damned if I’m going to live in fear of them. If the citizens of 1776 lived in fear, we’d be eating crumpets and worrying about Charles becoming king.
I think its some really bad PR for the right.
Back in 04 when all the liberals were doing this there wasn’t a peep out of the media but we all know how the media will treat this.
i just looked at the White House site. There are 32 such petitions. That’s 64% of the country as it is now constituted. That is something the is HUGH and SERIES!
“There are a hundred more productive, more worthwhile and more intelligent ways to show your post-election anger.
Even if this is just symbolic, it’s absurd.”
There are? What are those? Do tell.
It’s over. There is nothing to fight for in this country any longer. The America I was born and raised in is dead. It was killed. The battle is lost.
What are you going to propose, giving money to my local Republican candidate? They aren’t going to win— unless they succeed in pandering to the Latino vote and granting amnesty to millions of illegals — forgive me— undocumented americans. And they still won’t get much of that vote. Join the Tea Party? They’re dead— and anyways they were crushed in a media battle they never stood a chance of winning anyway. Portrayed as a bunch of racist, emtpty-headed old white men, that is, in effect, what they became. For groups, you are what the media says you are. Bitch on conservative forums? No one reads them but the choir. This at least will piss some Leftists off.
Hell, in most areas of the country you can’t even criticize this President for fear of being accused of being a racist or a rube— that’s a far bigger win for any politician than a simple election.
It is an empty, hollow protest to be sure. But don’t kid yourselves: that’s all there is left. Taking pokes at authority, throwing a wrench in the machine on occassion. There is nothing else to do.
So do it.
Your point? The only Treasonous acts committed so far have been committed by those holding office. Of course there are those glowing comparisons between Lincoln and Obama.
There is still a First Amendment and the right of the people to seek redress. If we must live in fear of opposing our government then we have no right to claim to be free citizens and the republic is finished.
Right. That is REAL SMART. Put your name and address on a GOVENMENT HIT LIST. SMART. REAL, REAL SMART. Idiots.
Negotiate a free trade agreement and mutual defense treaty with the remaining USA (and any other states that may have seceded), and as far as currency goes, stay on the dollar, for convenience sake.
Sunshine Patriots?
Succession, it won’t come easily. They won’t just give it to us. And to negotiate it ...well they will want to give us 75% of the debt since we never paid our fair share.
Those who would want to move to a free state would have to leave all their wealth behind as well. Just like a refugee would...are you really ready to put your family through that? Are you ready to do that? Thousands did it a little over 200 years ago.
Egggsactly! There are 30 Republican Guvs. All they have to do is STOP obeying DC and STOP sending in the tax revenue. Then Obama and his Marxists will have their Cloward-Piven crash. Only then it will be Obama and his Marxists that will crash. JMHO.
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