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To: Beauceron

18 USC Chapter 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES

18 USC § 2381 – Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

USC › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 115 › § 2383prevnext..18 USC § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

18 USC § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

18 USC § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.


7 posted on 11/13/2012 7:01:45 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

What’s your point? These are open petitions to allow peaceful secession by the several states. It is not treason, sedition or subversive activity. It may be unrealistic, but it’s not treasonous.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 7:04:42 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: WhiskeyX

Your point? The only Treasonous acts committed so far have been committed by those holding office. Of course there are those glowing comparisons between Lincoln and Obama.

There is still a First Amendment and the right of the people to seek redress. If we must live in fear of opposing our government then we have no right to claim to be free citizens and the republic is finished.


16 posted on 11/13/2012 7:09:47 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: WhiskeyX; All

“Advocating overthrow of Government”

Secession isn’t sedition. The tenth amendment guarantees the sovereignty of the states. The federal government did not create the states: the states created the federal government and it’s by this principle that the states can un-create it by removing themselves from it.

Your US Code falls short of addressing the sovereignty of the states.


29 posted on 11/13/2012 7:37:51 AM PST by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: WhiskeyX

The crimes you cited involve advocating for the destruction of the U.S. government by force or aiding its enemies. These petitions are requesting peaceful withdrawal from the Union and do not advocate or seek to overthrow the federal government by force. It’s merely a request to separate peacefully. “You go your way, we’ll go ours. Good luck to ya.” That’s not a crime.


40 posted on 11/13/2012 8:16:35 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan
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To: WhiskeyX

That is a very impressive list of offenses you have there. If I was George Washington, and the king of England threw that kind of legalese at me, I might of just called it quits and went home. Consent of the governed, that is what we have lost. Attempts at secession will only be met with force and bloodshed by the federal government, because they are playing by their own rules now, and we really have no say in the matter anymore.


46 posted on 11/13/2012 8:33:00 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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