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Another point of view that maybe the answer. (Vanity)

Posted on 11/08/2012 8:12:27 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach

Some time ago I heard a quote from an African-American, who's name I can't recall, but I remember them saying "My biggest fear of the first black man being elected President is that he might fail."

I believe this election was not a rejection of conservatism or the Republican message. It was an emotional investment in the first black man in the White House.

The minorities in the US projected a rejection of Barack Obama as a rejection of themselves and of their race. No matter how badly Barack Obama has failed they cannot emotionally let the first black president be seen as failing. So they voted for him, no matter what.

As an example I can point at many such cases. Marion Berry the African-American mayor of DC, who was arrested and spent 6 months in federal prison for being video taped smoking crack cocaine. He was then elected to the D.C. city council.

Mitt Romney ran a great campaign. He had great message. He looks great and he is the man for our time. But there was no way anyone could have over come the emotional trauma for many whites and minorities in the US of seeing the first black President denounced as a failure.


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KEYWORDS: vanity
Yes. I think it's just that simple.
1 posted on 11/08/2012 8:12:29 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: MeOnTheBeach

So why did 7 million fewer Whites vote than in 2008?


2 posted on 11/08/2012 8:18:22 AM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: MeOnTheBeach

That is a part of what happened, certainly.
I still strongly suspect organized widespread voting machine tampering.
I heard a lot of stories of Romney votes switched to Zero while people voted.
Holder et al, made sure that the 2010 election was not repeated, by controlling the outcome by altering vote machine totals. Their pals in the media dutifully ignore vote fraud and announce their guy won.

Look at the crowds Romney drew. The paltry turnout for Zero at campaign stops.

This election was stolen by the theives in The White House.

Coming soon....Hussein wins 100 percent of the vote! Woo hoo. not.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 8:20:58 AM PST by TheConservativeParty (Dems to Amerika : "All ur votes belong to us.")
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To: MeOnTheBeach

“It was an emotional investment in the first black man in the White House.”
Nail on head for at least part of the answer.
But it says a lot about us as a nation.
Fickle, emotional, distractable.
Are we capable of governing anymore?


4 posted on 11/08/2012 8:23:18 AM PST by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningful to say)
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To: Ingtar

That is the question that almost none of the “experts” is asking. Those people didn’t vote for Obama. They stayed home. Why they did is the single most important question the Republican party faces.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 8:23:47 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: Ingtar

Voter fraud.

I don’t believe it for a minute.

Electronic voting can be tampered with and votes can be *lost*.

This election was too controversial and there was too much at stake.

Did you see the size of the crowds coming to obama and Romney rallies?

And obama won?

No. I don’t believe it.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 8:29:14 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MeOnTheBeach

“No matter how badly Barack Obama has failed they cannot emotionally let the first black president be seen as failing. So they voted for him, no matter what. “

Just curious. Does anyone know how many nations have black leaders that have not become worse off either economically or escalated into wars and some type of genocide?


7 posted on 11/08/2012 8:32:57 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Ingtar

“So why did 7 million fewer Whites vote than in 2008?”

Well, I think it was a racist reaction. Any thinking adult knows the Democratic party is actually the worst thing for blacks. It has caused the split up of the family unit, increased abortion of black babies, schools and teachers don’t teach and barely babysit. If you hate blacks, and jews, the worst thing you can do for them is give them what they want...Obama. A smart white person can survive and prosper no matter what enviorment they are in.

White Americans will be better off than Black and Brown “Americans” four years from now.

Flame away, but it is the truth. If anyone cares about the truth anymore.


8 posted on 11/08/2012 8:35:58 AM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: MeOnTheBeach

Yep. It’s just a second term for the first affirmative action president.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 8:36:21 AM PST by TheDon (In 2012, American voters chose European style big gov't.)
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To: cdcdawg
“Those people didn’t vote for Obama. They stayed home. Why ..”

Because Romney is a liberal and many conservatives wont vote for a liberal under any circumstances. Also look at the vote totals more closely, many like me, just did not vote for the top of the ticket..here in Montana I figure at least 15000 conservatives refused to vote for Romney.

10 posted on 11/08/2012 8:36:21 AM PST by montanajoe
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To: Ingtar

Well... I love the saying, “it is what it is.”

No smoke and mirrors...what are we looking at exactly.

So with that in mind; Mitt had some baggage. A lot of people couldn’t or wouldn’t see any difference between Obama and Mitt. They didn’t see the point in voting. For what ever reason...be it religious or white guilt or whatever... they sat it out.

Catholics baffle me over this though...


11 posted on 11/08/2012 8:39:48 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: metmom

Agreed. There was rampant fraud. What do we do about it?


12 posted on 11/08/2012 8:45:14 AM PST by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: TheConservativeParty
Holder et al, made sure that the 2010 election was not repeated, by controlling the outcome by altering vote machine totals. Their pals in the media dutifully ignore vote fraud and announce their guy won.

So, a group of individuals with the resources to control the outcome of an election, did so and catapulted their selected leader into the highest office in the land...all the while taking control of the main broadcast and publishing media to ensure they would do their bidding?

That's called a coup. We have been invaded. Subjugation will follow. And no one on the opposing side can or will do a damned thing about it.

13 posted on 11/08/2012 8:45:58 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 1)
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To: MeOnTheBeach

Ok, I’m going to flame myself for not using strong enough language.

He was seen as too liberal.

Mitt created RomneyCare because he knew he could make it work. Unfortunately he didn’t think of the bigger picture of Socialism. And that hung around his neck like a noose.


14 posted on 11/08/2012 8:50:49 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: MeOnTheBeach

No doubt many people voted for him for that simple reason. However, 90-plus percent of the black vote goes to the Democrat in every national election. If Obama had been a Republican running against a white Democrat, personally I’m convinced that 90-plus percent of the black vote would’ve gone to the white Democrat.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 8:55:08 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: MeOnTheBeach

You’re absolutely right. I’ve spoken to probably dozens of black people, trying to point out to them that blacks have done worse under Obama both absolutely and relatively than they’ve done under any other President in memory, but it went in one ear and out the other. Obama must be seen as a success, or blacks as a race will be tarnished. The irony is that there are now four more years where he’ll be held responsible for what happens, and if things get even worse (and I wouldn’t be surprised if they do), he’ll be seen as a much bigger failure than if he’d just lost an election. Most likely, however, no matter how bad things get, you’ll see Obama enjoying a base of nearly-unanimous approval from blacks.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 8:58:18 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: esquirette
Agreed. There was rampant fraud. What do we do about it?

I don't have a clue.

If those who lost the election won't do anything about it, and IMO, they are the only ones with the power TO do something, I have not a clue what the rest of us peons can do.

IMO, they are the ones responsible for where this country is because they know of the voter fraud and won't fight against it when they can.

17 posted on 11/08/2012 9:00:41 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: montanajoe

“Because Romney is a liberal ...”

I can’t come up with anything else to explain it. It didn’t help that he’s a Mormon. I had to overcome that. The bottom line is that he didn’t offer a compelling (conservative or otherwise) vision for the country. Newt did, Ron Paul did, Gary Johnson did. Obama, as the incumbent, didn’t have to.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 9:01:17 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: MeOnTheBeach
Yes, that is a large part of what happened. Look at the exit polls. The voters for Obama gave emotional answers or answers that showed a false sense of reality.

When the voters voted for Obama because of “Sandy”, or because of the made up “war on women”, Rush nailed it when he said that that Obama was after the “moron” vote. To say it with nicer words “low information voters”. It worked. These are the voters that are particularly vulnerable to the MSM’s propaganda.

19 posted on 11/08/2012 9:01:29 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Tired of Taxes

It’s the difference between 88%(Kerry) and 96% (Obama). That’s actually significant, but not determinative. It’s enough to create more of a gender gap than there really is.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 9:08:52 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: marktwain

For a portion of the electorate, reelecting Obama is like the abused girlfriend who wants to give the boyfriend another shot. They just cannot face reality and cannot let go.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 9:11:11 AM PST by mrs9x
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To: cdcdawg

Thanks for the info. Yes, that difference is significant.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 9:16:29 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: MeOnTheBeach; All

This is a big part of it, as well as just “giving him more time.”

In addition, we faced real issues with people thinking Romney is only for the rich and anti-women and anti-minority, while Obama cared for the middle class.

These are things we have to adress to win again in the future. It’s more than simply saying we want equality and fair opportunity...we have to show it to convince people that conservatism is not the enemy.


23 posted on 11/08/2012 9:33:35 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: MeOnTheBeach
It was an emotional investment in the first black man in the White House.

This was the wild card that pushed Obama over the top.

For a John F Kerry or John McCaIn? No amount of begging for more time or blaming their predecessors would've kept them in the White House.

It's a double standard, and repulsively racist, but I think going forward no one else could get a Mulligan, not even the first woman.

24 posted on 11/08/2012 9:37:35 AM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate Freepers for giving him four more years!)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall; All

If things get a lot better economically in the next four years, which certainly could happen as a natural consequence of how long things have not been so good, I fear Obama will get a great “legacy.”

That is my worry, is if things look better, we will have another Clinton on our hands and the meme that Dems are better for the economy will be virtually impossible to reverse in the minds of future voters.


25 posted on 11/08/2012 9:38:41 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Ingtar; All
Pontius Pilate voters. People who washed their hands of the election whether because they voted Obama in 2008 and while disheartened and didn't trust Romney or was afraid of feeling racist, or were evangelicals who wouldn't vote for a Mormon or other factors... they sat at home, washed their hands of it because this was the hard choice.

They were cowards. That missing two million from McCain's run, I'd have preferred they voted Obama than not show up.

Of course I'm thinking of many freepers who refused to vote for Romney even against Obama's fundamental transformation, failed policies and radicalism.

26 posted on 11/08/2012 9:42:46 AM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate Freepers for giving him four more years!)
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To: montanajoe
Also look at the vote totals more closely, many like me, just did not vote for the top of the ticket.

You are a coward and a traitor. There I said it.

27 posted on 11/08/2012 9:44:43 AM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate Freepers for giving him four more years!)
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To: newzjunkey

Well there are lots of folks like me..at least 15000 in Montana alone who could have been in the GOP column had they ran a conservative. But assuming you speak for the GOP I guess they don’t want us...:)


28 posted on 11/08/2012 10:06:26 AM PST by montanajoe
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To: MeOnTheBeach

Yes, your comments are accurate I believe.

It is that simple, but that is only half of it.

As you point out, Obama kept his base.

Romney did not garner the conservative base.

From the get-go that is what conservatives said would happen.

Romney was in fact the worst choice and weakest of all possible candidates for the Republican party.

It’s not like the country clubbers weren’t warned ad nauseum during the primaries.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 10:12:15 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: freeangel
Just curious. Does anyone know how many nations have black leaders that have not become worse off either economically or escalated into wars and some type of genocide?

I can assure you that what ever the number is, it pales in comparison to the white and asian ones. Marx was white. Hitler was white. Stalin was white. Mao, Pol Pot, Tojo. The list goes on and on...
30 posted on 11/08/2012 10:17:43 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: rwfromkansas

Makes no difference, really. FDR presided over a freaking decade-long depression and he was reelected three times. Obama will make citizens out of all of the illegal aliens currently in the country, with or without Boehner’s aquiescence, and they and the rest of the rapidly-growing Hispanic population will vote straight ticket Democrat for generations to come, just like blacks, and that will be the end of the GOP, and of any hope of restoring limited constitutional government in the U.S.


31 posted on 11/10/2012 9:02:35 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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