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The False Notion of "If It's Not Close, They Cannot Steal"

Posted on 11/02/2012 10:15:10 AM PDT by SarahPalin2012

Stop repeating this nonsense. The dumb way to do it would be to stuff ballot boxes or find a bag full of extra votes. But the easiest way would be to hack machines. Then, it doesn't matter if the state is Oklahoma. All one does is change the first number (as follos):

If Total Republican vote in machine is 778,392 and Democrat vote is 321,292 (Not close, right?)

Just change the first numbe 7 for Republicans to a 5, and change the 3 in the Democratic vote to a 6. So then: Republicans 578,392 Democrats 621,292.

Also, if they need more, just add an extra "1" in front of the Democratic vote: It becomes 1,321,292. You can literally find millions of votes this way. So throw out that dumb saying about "If it's not close" -- they can manufacture millions of votes very easily.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: vanity

1 posted on 11/02/2012 10:15:10 AM PDT by SarahPalin2012
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To: SarahPalin2012
This is literally the dumbest post I've ever read.

Absolutely takes the cake for imbecility.

2 posted on 11/02/2012 10:16:55 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: SarahPalin2012

Um...the quote isn’t meant to be taken literally. It’s a wry way of saying “go vote”.


3 posted on 11/02/2012 10:20:42 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: SarahPalin2012
I don't think some people understand voter rolls, and caucus or district reporting.
4 posted on 11/02/2012 10:23:01 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: wideawake

Really? Mr. Mensa, And 135 year olds voting in Florida is smart? Does the math not add up? This is a completely broken system. Trusting in it is what is imbecilic.


5 posted on 11/02/2012 10:23:41 AM PDT by SarahPalin2012
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To: SarahPalin2012
Life isn't simpler and neither is voting. Those state totals reflect the sum of every county, city and precinct and there are a lot of people who look very closely which precincts are going which way. You'd need to go in adjust numbers accordingly for every precinct total to get state totals that skew in the way you are suggesting. Keep in mind that nationwide most counties have their own computers and report their totals to their state with different machines.

Yes, cheating can be accomplished electronically, but certainly not the way you have described.

6 posted on 11/02/2012 10:23:50 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: SarahPalin2012
they can manufacture millions of votes very easily.

Technically true, of course. There's exit polling in the picture as well, though. If one machine or group of them produces an odd exit result, the machines and the Internet trails before (or after) the vote can be examined for hacking by geek investigators. That will tend to implicate individuals and organizations that would get in trouble.

I think the rule for election-stealing hasn't changed that much since the paper-ballot or lever days: Steal relatively small numbers of votes not outside the margin of exit-polling error, but preferably on a large number of machines.

7 posted on 11/02/2012 10:25:31 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: SarahPalin2012
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2953854/posts

The rats are geared up to steal this thing. Believe it people.

8 posted on 11/02/2012 10:27:06 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

yes they are


9 posted on 11/02/2012 10:28:01 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SarahPalin2012

As if this place needs your shit and misery today. Go post a blog somewhere or at least move this out of breaking news.


10 posted on 11/02/2012 10:30:40 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: wideawake
Yeah, but I think he's vocalizing a concern we all have.

I have no clue what controls are in place at my local voting precinct. I have this vague notion that both sides have poll watchers at each location and that there exists somewhere some procedures to ensure that the vote is fair and not modified. And presumably those procedures include making sure that the machines software has been tested by both sides and secured. But I don't know that for sure.

Here is an evaluation of each state's voting process. And while it identifies many concerns, I don't think it even covers what I stated above.

11 posted on 11/02/2012 10:32:25 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: wideawake

GOP is trying to get machines in 6 states fixed because Romney votes come out as Obama votes


12 posted on 11/02/2012 10:40:18 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SarahPalin2012
I agree , I have a feeling cheating is rampant, I witnessed it firsthand on a major scale in 2008 early voting, they were handing out ballots like trick or treat candy to people who got in line multiple times

made me realize that whoever is in the county recorders office when the doors close has 100% control of the final numbers , the buck stops there

electronic machines are completly out of control

13 posted on 11/02/2012 10:40:59 AM PDT by KTM rider
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To: SarahPalin2012; wideawake; colorcountry; ElkGroveDan

by golly you are right!!

What is alarming is that Sarah just gave the libs a whole new way to cheat! Sarah, can we delete this VANITY thread before the DEMS read it?!!!

I think I will call my bank and have them add a few ‘1’s to the beginning of the balance.


14 posted on 11/02/2012 10:47:25 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: SarahPalin2012
This seems like a potential path for the Dems to take. Why not? As I've said on several posts, Obama doesn't need to cheat in any "clever" or "undetectable" way. He can cheat in a blatant, obvious, crude way. Just get the right numbers and declare himself king.

What would the GOP do about it? I see two options:

1) Roll over and let Obama have 4 more years.
2) Instigate a hot civil war.

I say Obama hates this country. I say Obama wants to tear this country apart and destroy it. Of the two options above, Obama may prefer one over the other, but I say either option would be fine with him.

Winning through cheating, in a crude and obvious manner, is not necessarily a "bad" option for the Dems.

15 posted on 11/02/2012 10:57:55 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: wideawake
This is literally the dumbest post I've ever read. Absolutely takes the cake for imbecility.

I've seen some outlandish conspiracy theories and dumb ideas posted over the years here, but this one has to qualify for "hall of fame" status.

16 posted on 11/02/2012 11:00:59 AM PDT by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: SamuraiScot

Indeed. Small nibbles do not get noticed. A Big bite does. Embezzling tends to happen within the margin of error. Remember the old John Cash song about the guy who takes Caddy parts out of the factory in his lunch box and eventually has enough to build his asymetrical Car?


17 posted on 11/02/2012 11:02:14 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: GeronL
GOP is trying to get machines in 6 states fixed because Romney votes come out as Obama votes

Trying? Holy crap.

"Try not. Do or do not. There is no 'try'.

If there were any people in authority with integrity who saw this bug or defect, they'd have had all these POS machines ripped out and replaced with simple paper ballots. Enough is enough.

Is there NO ONE with balls any more who is not afraid of inconveniencing people for the sake of pure, unadulterated, uncorrupted balloting?

Who gives a fat rat's arse if the tallying takes a week? It will anyway this time around. Better off getting it right than just finished as soon as possible. This stuff matters!

Dammit, I just get so p!$$ed sometimes at the utter lack of quality in people who should know better.

What would Patton do?

18 posted on 11/02/2012 11:23:21 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 1)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

http://washingtonexaminer.com/rnc-pushes-6-states-to-fix-machines-that-give-romney-votes-to-obama/article/2512362


19 posted on 11/02/2012 11:25:55 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SarahPalin2012

such large changes are easily caught and would be foolish on the part of either party. Its the small ones here and there that make a difference in swing states that we should be most wary of and vigilant for.


20 posted on 11/02/2012 11:42:57 AM PDT by HenryArmitage (it was not meant that we should voyage far.)
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To: DannyTN
“I have no clue what controls are in place at my local voting precinct. I have this vague notion that both sides have poll watchers at each location and that there exists somewhere some procedures to ensure that the vote is fair and not modified. And presumably those procedures include making sure that the machines software has been tested by both sides and secured. But I don't know that for sure.”

Yeah, like we all assumed there were sufficient safeguards to ensure a non-natural born American would never be on the ballot for president?

Electronic voting machines can be hacked, and imperceptibly so—that's according to one of their design engineers who testified before Congress a few years back. He was arguing AGAINST using the machines he designed!!

21 posted on 11/02/2012 11:45:30 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
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To: GeronL
Thanks for the link. I appreciate the RNC's efforts but "calling for changes" does nothing. We shall see come Tuesday.

“I further understand that the causes of this problem are varied, and include miscalibration and hyper-sensitivity of the machines,” he acknowledged. But he called for four actions at the state level:

  1. All voting machines be recalibrated before Election Day.
    Denied or ignored by state officials
  2. Additional technicians in the event of further issues.
    Denied or ignored by state officials
  3. Sign notification reminding voters to double-check the correctness of their ballot in the machine before final submission.
    Denied or ignored by state officials
  4. Verbal guidance to remind voters to make sure that the ballot they cast is correct.
    Denied or ignored by state officials

22 posted on 11/02/2012 11:49:38 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 1)
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To: HenryArmitage

Above numbers, to make the point simply, of course are exaggerated. One would think that a large scale cheating operation would be more sophisticated. But the point is that cheating on a larger scale is possible.

If you’re familiar about some of the recent races (Sharron Angle vs Reid, the Daschle race he won narrowly), you’ll see that cheating is not always just small scale. Does it really happen?

Well, who is the Senior Senator from Nevada today?


23 posted on 11/02/2012 11:50:25 AM PDT by SarahPalin2012
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To: SarahPalin2012

im sorry, I remain unconvinced. The Angle vs Reid was close, if you think Angle went in with everyone thinking it would be a blow out I can’t help you. With exit polling, poll watching, and local rolls and reporting the type of fraud you are talking about just can’t happen without A LOT of people being complicit, and the more people involved the larger the odds it gets found out. And being found out in something like that is far far worse than losing in the first place.


24 posted on 11/02/2012 11:55:43 AM PDT by HenryArmitage (it was not meant that we should voyage far.)
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To: SarahPalin2012

There are many ways to cheat. I have documented the ones that I have encountered in my many years of election activities.

My short book on vote fraud for fellow Freepers:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1991953/posts

Report on recent election and new vote fraud methods:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2621405/posts

More info on vote fraud methods:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2615479/posts

As you can see, some fraud methods are MASSIVE such as creating tens of thousands of phantom voters out of thin air. I documented this happening in California.

Another method common in my state is, if the Election Judge and Clerks are all crooked dims, they just wait until after the last voter has left at the end of the day. Then they lock the door and CAST A BALLOT FOR EVERY VOTER WHO DID NOT SHOW UP. The clue is an all-dim crew and 100% turnout in a precinct. Just check and you will readily identify problem precincts from previous elections with 100% turnout.

There is no sense crying about this AFTER the election. The ONLY defense is to have Republican Alternate Judges, Clerks, and Poll Watchers.

Freepers, go sign up with www.truethevote.org or similar organizations in your state. If you cannot volunteer, then donate. I did! They are the most effective anti-fraud outfit I have ever seen.

Go to the problem precincts in the worst neighborhoods. Don’t be alarmed. True the Vote has been doing this for several years. Despite a few loud mouthed thugs threatening them, the only actual assault was a dim Clerk pushing one of our little old ladies who was also a Clerk.

It’s a lot safer than than being on the battlefield. This time, the enemy is domestic as they try to overthrow our Constitution using lies and fraud rather than troops on the ground.

Thank you for being the patriots who will save our country!


25 posted on 11/02/2012 11:58:34 AM PDT by darth
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Believe me, every trick Sarah can come up with has been tried or is being used!

See my post on this thread for a primer on the MANY methods of vote fraud.

Poll Watchers? I live in one of the most conservative areas of the country. We cannot get enough volunteers to cover even the worst precincts!

We desperately need more volunteers.


26 posted on 11/02/2012 12:03:55 PM PDT by darth
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To: kevkrom

[ I’ve seen some outlandish conspiracy theories and dumb ideas posted over the years here, but this one has to qualify for “hall of fame” status. ]

WHY... in some States you dont even need photo ID and if produced is rejected.. WHo is to say voters do not vote twice OR twenty times.... WHo is to know.. or even CHECK.. NOT that its even possible to check..

THIS IS HAPPENing NOW>...


27 posted on 11/02/2012 12:55:01 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
"Yeah, like we all assumed there were sufficient safeguards to ensure a non-natural born American would never be on the ballot for president?"

Exactly!!! It's in the constitution, we all thought it was settled law. Now we know...


28 posted on 11/05/2012 5:56:28 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: SarahPalin2012

SP2012, all I can say is, I hope everyone mocking you and jumping on you about these “impossibilities” you call out, is correct.

Because if they’re not ..... may God help us.


29 posted on 11/05/2012 6:01:38 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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