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Romney May Be the End of the Line for the Republican Establishment
Town Hall ^ | Sep 21, 2012 | Scott Rasmussen

Posted on 09/21/2012 8:43:12 AM PDT by xzins

Mitt Romney's comments about 47 percent of Americans being dependent on government and locked in to vote for President Obama highlight a fundamental reality in American politics today: The gap between the American people and the political class is bigger than the gap between Republicans and Democrats in Washington, D.C.

Romney's remarks are the GOP equivalent of Obama's notorious comments about small-town Pennsylvania voters bitterly clinging to their guns and religion.

Both Romney and Obama highlighted the condescending attitude that political elites hold of the people they want to rule over. A National Journal survey found that 59 percent of political insiders don't think voters know enough to have meaningful opinions on the important issues of the day. That's a handy rationalization for those who want to ignore the voters and impose their own agenda.

In the nation's capital, this gap creates bigger problems for Republicans than Democrats. Democratic voters tend to think that their representatives in Congress do a decent job representing them. That's because Democrats are a bit more comfortable with the idea of government playing a leading role in American society. However, 63 percent of Republican voters believe their representatives in Washington are out of touch with the party base.

Establishment Republicans in Washington broadly share the Democrats' view that the government should manage the economy. They may favor a somewhat more pro-business set of policies than their Democratic colleagues, but they still act as if government policy is the starting point for all economic activity.

Republican voters reject this view. They are more interested in promoting free market competition rather than handing out favors to big business. They detest corporate welfare and government bailouts, even though their party leaders support them.

The GOP base sees government as a burden that weighs the private sector down rather than a tool that can generate growth if used properly. Ninety-six percent of Republican voters believe that the best thing the government can do to help the economy is to cut spending and free up more money for the private sector.

The Republican base is looking for someone like a 21st century Ronald Reagan, who will display his faith in the American people. The Washington Republicans are more comfortable with politicians like George W. Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney. Though the establishment has dominated the party since Reagan left the White House, the 2012 election could well be the end of the line.

If Romney loses in November, the Republican base will no longer buy the electability argument for an establishment candidate. From the view of the base, the elites will have given away an eminently winnable election. Someone new, from outside of Washington, will be the party's nominee in 2016.

If Romney wins and does nothing to change the status quo, the economy will falter. He will end up as the second straight one-term president, and the nation will desperately be searching for an authentic outsider in 2016.

If he wins the White House, the only way for Romney to succeed will be to side with the nation's voters and throw out the club in Washington. That will be great news for the country but bad news for political insiders on both sides of the partisan aisle.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012polls; electable; elections; establishment; gope; letitbelord; lordletitbe; romney; romneywimp; stupidparty; unelectable; whattookthemsolong; wimpromney
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1 posted on 09/21/2012 8:43:15 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins

Obama May Be the End of the Line for the US.


2 posted on 09/21/2012 8:45:07 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: RitaOK
The GOP base sees government as a burden that weighs the private sector down rather than a tool that can generate growth if used properly. Ninety-six percent of Republican voters believe that the best thing the government can do to help the economy is to cut spending and free up more money for the private sector.

Corporate welfare is nothing more than 1940's state socialism in the emperor's new clothing

3 posted on 09/21/2012 8:45:27 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: dfwgator

read the article.

you’ll agree with it.


4 posted on 09/21/2012 8:46:13 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

It is a winner takes all bet, IMO.


5 posted on 09/21/2012 8:47:22 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: xzins
Though the establishment has dominated the party since Reagan left the White House, the 2012 election could well be the end of the line.

This will be the end of the line for the GOP-E, should Romney fail to beat the snot out of the Marxist.

6 posted on 09/21/2012 8:48:25 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: xzins

If Romney loses, he will be the most hated man among conservative voters.


7 posted on 09/21/2012 8:48:40 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: xzins

Odd how Rass response here is in lock step with the GOP Establishment reaction.

Seems Scott has met the enemy and it is him.


8 posted on 09/21/2012 8:49:15 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: xzins

“Someone new, from outside of Washington, will be the party’s nominee in 2016.”

This assumes there will BE an election in 2016 if Obama wins. I don’t believe this is a safe assumption.


9 posted on 09/21/2012 8:50:35 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Vote Romney to stop Obama. Vote conservative Congresspeople to stop Romney.)
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To: xzins
Both Romney and Obama highlighted the condescending attitude that political elites hold of the people they want to rule over.

Its a true contrast with Reagan and as much as it pains me to say so, its also a contrast with Bill Clinton.
10 posted on 09/21/2012 8:50:49 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: AlmaKing
If Romney loses, he will be the most hated man among conservative voters.

He's already running a close second. :>)

11 posted on 09/21/2012 8:50:49 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: AlmaKing

Believe me, I am holding my tongue now, because all that matters is getting Obama out.


12 posted on 09/21/2012 8:50:49 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: MNJohnnie

I was surprised, too, that Rasmussen sees himself as an outsider.

Or, at least, he wants his readers to see him as an outsider.

Maybe, though, as a pollster, he wants us to see him as a “no sider”. “I just report the polls, sir, I don’t make them happen.”


13 posted on 09/21/2012 8:53:08 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: dfwgator

“Obama May Be the End of the Line for the US.”

Obama is an accelerant. The fuel is idiotic federal policies going back decades.


14 posted on 09/21/2012 8:54:42 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, Bill was willing to mingle with commoner females.

LOL.


15 posted on 09/21/2012 8:55:41 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

If Romney loses, we might not see 2016


16 posted on 09/21/2012 8:55:41 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: xzins

Ok compare and contrast reactions. Bill Kristol, Scott Rassmussen and the in side DC Romney critics are all upset about how “insensitive” and “out of touch” Romney is.

Rush Limbaugh, Hannity and just about everyone outside the DC beltway in the Conservative movement are “About time someone spoke the truth about this”.


17 posted on 09/21/2012 8:56:02 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: xzins
If Romney loses in November, the Republican base will no longer buy the electability argument for an establishment candidate. From the view of the base, the elites will have given away an eminently winnable election. Someone new, from outside of Washington, will be the party's nominee in 2016.

I recommend everyone seeing the documentary at your local theater "2016: Obama's America". Think about it as you leave the theater at the end of the show. Do you really think we will even have a country after another 4 years of the tin horn dictator? Even if we got rid of all the RINOS and GOPe types, the ending of that show will sink in. We are at the tipping point right now. The greatest battle for stopping tyranny is getting rid of the occupier that calls himself "king". And we all know what had to happen to stop that back in 1776.

18 posted on 09/21/2012 8:56:08 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....)
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To: dfwgator

Hear, hear!


19 posted on 09/21/2012 8:56:23 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: xzins

“Someone new, from outside of Washington, will be the party’s nominee in 2016”

I might argue there won’t BE a party (GOP).


20 posted on 09/21/2012 8:57:53 AM PDT by ryan71
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To: xzins
Don't see anything wrong with these comments...seems to be spot on ....

Ras is right....if Romney doesn't win Washington Establishment Republicans...aka RINO's are toast....they still might be even if they win due to rise of the Tea Party's growing influence.

21 posted on 09/21/2012 8:59:33 AM PDT by thingumbob (I'm a bitter clinger...I dare you to take my gun)
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To: xzins

Romney will stick with the GOP elites - that’s all he knows.

I don’t think the GOP will change if Romney loses - they didn’t change after McCain or after Dole, etc.


22 posted on 09/21/2012 9:00:11 AM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: xzins

ahh, ok, I understand now.

The candidate so many conservatives refused to lift a finger to help, the candidate so many conservatives not only refused to vote for but worked to convince others to not vote for him, the same candidate so many conservatives claim is the same as the marxist Obama......should he lose, those same conservatives will be upset.

Gotcha.


23 posted on 09/21/2012 9:02:01 AM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: MNJohnnie

I’m reading it differently. I’m seeing Rasmussen say that in the same way as Obama is disdainful of “bitter clingers” that Romney is disdainful of “entitlers”.

He then goes on to say that’s an indication with both Obama and Romney that they think they’re smarter than the rest of us.

I do think Romney is an elitist. I think the same of Obama. The believe themselves elite for different reasons. Romney thinks so because of his blue blood, financial wealth, and educational credentials. Obama thinks he’s the repository of ultimate truth.


24 posted on 09/21/2012 9:04:45 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

The Great Clinton’s Telecommunications Act of 1996 was at least as damaging to America as the 17th Amendment.

He solidified Big Media as America’s enemy, to be counted on to say in unison whatever Democrats (Big Media’s Big Love) want to be said.

Just about all Democrats and not a few Republicans congratulate themselves for not being willing to call Big Media a liar, especially when it’s not obviously directly related to THE current presidential political race.


25 posted on 09/21/2012 9:06:16 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: xzins

It figured your peddling this rubbish !

Another divide and conquer and it’s over post from YOU !
Who do you work for ????

Ras is a DC insider moron and his polls are now worthless
After this pathetic hit piece was cooked up to help
Scotty win favor with the Obama media !

Now I know his POlls mysterious switched from
+1 R to +1 Dem last month !


26 posted on 09/21/2012 9:06:25 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: AlmaKing

“If Romney loses, he will be the most hated man among conservative voters.”

I’m sure not looking forward to another ohole-kissing fawning “concession” speech by a “Republican”.


27 posted on 09/21/2012 9:08:31 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: MNJohnnie; xzins; onyx

I thought about that bait and switch possibility too, but Scott is getting an earful out there from conservatives and has his finger on the pulse of a fact.

Never again in this generation will conservatives split and disassemble in a primary to get ambushed by the money, strategy and power of the Establishment.

Someone on many occassions has told Scott that and regardless of his own motivations, he has lumbered into writing the truth.

We may have roped a dope here, for once.


28 posted on 09/21/2012 9:08:47 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY!)
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To: ncalburt

Find shade and a cool drink.


29 posted on 09/21/2012 9:09:25 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

makes sense to me. the man in the street doesn’t have to
deal with the special pleaders and lobbyists shilling for
their pet causes.


30 posted on 09/21/2012 9:10:07 AM PDT by RitchieAprile (my French needs no pardoning..)
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To: Marcella

You are correct. People still don’t see the scam of the political Punch and Judy puppet show.


31 posted on 09/21/2012 9:10:14 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: AlmaKing

If Romney loses how anyone feels about him will be irrelevant. The GOP will be toast. The Tea Party will go rogue and become the REAL opposition. The Pubbies will become the Whigs.

I think the GOP insiders know this, and are beginning to experience daily underwear soilings.


32 posted on 09/21/2012 9:11:33 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: swpa_mom
The candidate so many conservatives refused to lift a finger to help, the candidate so many conservatives not only refused to vote for but worked to convince others to not vote for him, the same candidate so many conservatives claim is the same as the marxist Obama......should he lose, those same conservatives will be upset.

Rotflol!

Not only could I not have said it better, I couldn't said it at all, and you did say it.

Yep, the very same will be upset. :>)

33 posted on 09/21/2012 9:13:02 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: swpa_mom
The candidate so many conservatives refused to lift a finger to help, the candidate so many conservatives not only refused to vote for but worked to convince others to not vote for him, the same candidate so many conservatives claim is the same as the marxist Obama......should he lose, those same conservatives will be upset.

Rotflol!

Not only could I not have said it better, I couldn't have said it at all, and you did say it.

Yep, the very same will be upset. :>)

34 posted on 09/21/2012 9:13:41 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
If he wins the White House, the only way for Romney to succeed will be to side with the nation's voters and throw out the club in Washington. That will be great news for the country but bad news for political insiders on both sides of the partisan aisle.

As if. Hah.

35 posted on 09/21/2012 9:13:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Conscience is the most sacred of all property.' -- James Madison)
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To: xzins
Find shade and a cool drink.

lol.

36 posted on 09/21/2012 9:15:45 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: xzins

Palin.


37 posted on 09/21/2012 9:17:11 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: ncalburt; xzins

Freak much?

Another typical kill-the-messenger reaction from the terrified tossing their tomatoes.

Do you not think there are going to have to be some rats start to jump the listing Obama ship to get this thing done? If not now, when?


38 posted on 09/21/2012 9:18:13 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY!)
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To: dfwgator

ditto, gator man


39 posted on 09/21/2012 9:20:18 AM PDT by RatRipper (Obama, YOU LIE!!! . . .again and again and again and again, ad infinitum. . . .)
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To: dfwgator; Travis McGee; Kartographer
Obama May Be the End of the Line for the US.

It was all over 30+ years ago when we substituted debt for productivity in order to maintain an illusion of wealth and maintain living standards to which we had become accustomed.

The smartest guys in the room (bankers) seized this opportunity and rode the Ponzi till it inevitably collapsed. Knowing it would eventually collapse, due to a combination of exponential math & diminishing marginal returns, is another key facet of their advanced strategic planning.

The sheeple simply have no clue - they are hopelessly behind the OODA loop. It makes no difference who is elected - the ship has sailed and our nation's appointment with destiny is proceeding apace.

The next steps are price controls, rationing, service caps, mandated contributions (via taxes & insurance - see Roberts' decision) and structured inflation. With the purposeful stripping of remaining assets and die-off of (white) boomers, combined with the continued flood of immigration and non-family births, the 99/1 pyramid will firmly be in place.

The question one should be asking themselves, similar to what Germans & Japanese in 1944/45 had to decide, is when to face reality and jump to the other side. Not to D or R, but whether to help & enable the fascist regime in order to make it through the bottleneck.

40 posted on 09/21/2012 9:21:50 AM PDT by semantic
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To: glorgau

Palin was on someone’s show last night. I forget whose.

(This is totally unfair, but I’m gonna do it anyway)

She looked like she’d spent a week in a tanning booth dousing with both chemical and radiant tanning stuff.

It reminded me of the Friends episode when Ross overdid the tanning solution in the spray-on shower.

If she’d spoken in clipped English she could have been mistaken for a Chase Card Answering Service from India.


41 posted on 09/21/2012 9:22:50 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“I think the GOP insiders know this, and are beginning to experience daily underwear soilings.’

I suspect those orchids think the hothouse defines the universe. They are as clueless as the Bourbons. Ditto their ‘frensh acrossh the aisle’.


42 posted on 09/21/2012 9:22:50 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: xzins

It appears You are peddling the Obama state media kool

Aid
Yep the usual dismay !
Paulbot!
Lol and all that Paulbot posting BS


43 posted on 09/21/2012 9:23:44 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: xzins
In the end, the only difference between Big Government Repubs and Big Government Demos is the R or D after their name.

Yes, there are differences in speed, method and a number of other details. But they all lead to the same thing, socialism and the destruction of our freedoms.

Is Mittens the guy to break this trend? Get elected first, but we will know in 6 months if they punt on the ObamaCare albatross.

Reverse the Big Government trend and the economy will improve (eventually) and we can get two terms from Romney and 2 from Ryan. If they do not buck the trend, then we can kiss it all good bye.

I still hold a faint amount of hope, but not much.

schu

44 posted on 09/21/2012 9:26:52 AM PDT by schu
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To: schu

“I still hold a faint amount of hope, but not much.”

Me too. That hope is based entirely on the relatively peaceful dissolution of the Soviet Union, and the hope that we will be so fortunate.


45 posted on 09/21/2012 9:30:01 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: xzins

“Romney thinks so because of his blue blood, financial wealth, and educational credentials.”

You forgot his “magic underwear.” :-)


46 posted on 09/21/2012 9:30:36 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: ncalburt; xzins

xzins, I think somewhere in there he called you a Paulbot.

You sly dog, I never knew.


47 posted on 09/21/2012 9:32:14 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: xzins

I noticed that too! Sarah has been messing with her natural beauty and her new harsher look is increasingly commensurate with her loss of joy and triumph and can-do spirit in her FOX appearances.

This is not a good sign. Hope she snaps out of what on the outside looks like the start of a funk she could be in.


48 posted on 09/21/2012 9:33:04 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY!)
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To: semantic
It was all over 30+ years ago when we substituted debt for productivity in order to maintain an illusion of wealth

Such a good line, semantic. Thanks.

The democrats are the tax, borrow, and spend party.

The republicans have become the borrow and spend party.

Sad for us, they compromise on borrowing and spending.

49 posted on 09/21/2012 9:33:14 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: ncalburt; Psalm 144; RitaOK
It appears You are peddling the Obama state media kool Aid Yep the usual dismay ! Paulbot! Lol and all that Paulbot posting BS

I'm a Perry-bot without the Romney bumper sticker ;.0

50 posted on 09/21/2012 9:36:56 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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