You always come through, dfwgator. Well said as usual.
Posted on 07/20/2012 3:43:35 PM PDT by Prospero
As a classic case of national hysteria slowly peaks, still within 24 hours after the massacre of theater-patrons attending a premier of the latest "Batman" thriller in Aurora, Colorado, it's become increasingly difficult to maintain a rational perspective.
Apparently without any shame whatsoever, an embattled White House still cannot hesitate to push itself out in front of the trickle of information coming out in the wake of these multiple murders.
That as many or more people will die in "random" shootings on the streets of major U.S. cities, Chicago in particular, on an average weekend, this July, still escapes the notice of our entertainment news-readers and other media.
Without any other obvious motive, however, and looking dispassionately for the most reasonable known pattern that fits the facts known at this hour about this massacre, and its lone perpetrator, I think it will eventually be determined that Mr. Holmes suffers from hereditary schizophrenia.
The vast majority of the organic types of that disease are males, often regarded as highly intelligent, and who rarely begin showing the first truly "full-blown" symptoms of such a disease until just prior to their 25th birthday.
Elaborate and fantastic delusions, resembling a nightmarish dream-state, that usually accompany the full, untreated symptoms of this very terrible disease are often so compelling, and build so slowly (and its sufferers often have such credibility or, in many cases, demonstrate such charisma) that loved ones and friends rarely catch on to their true state of mind until they disappear, or it is otherwise "too late."
Though the frightening episodes accompanying this disease very rarely strike such a responsive chord in national news cycles they are almost always devastating, inside a much smaller circle. Usually destroying families and friendships.
So far. at least, Mr. Holmes outrageous demonstration of the apparent symptoms of this disease, or another illness in the same family, still seems quite within a regular pattern, as horrific as that might seem to those who are unfamiliar with schizophrenia.
The reactions of the national news industry, in the immediate short term, and those of his victims, to this intrusion of the symptoms of a classic mental illness, is quite understandable.
Few are unfortunate enough to ever experience becoming drawn into the damaged circle of a schizophrenic's broken thinking, over our lifetimes.
This does not mean, however, that schizophrenia is unknown to law enforcement, competent political leadership, or the health establishment. Far from it.
For a White House, or the mayor of a large city elsewhere, to take such full and shameless political opportunity from a the short-term trauma and shock to the national peace and loss of perspective is nothing short of criminal.
As this president operates within his own diseased pattern of not allowing any tragedy to go to waste, over the course of the next few hours, before the situation elsewhere, likely Syria, distracts his fawning, ignorant fan base in the national media, keep these thoughts in mind.
Who cares about the perp being a schizo?
Colorado has the death penalty, kill him.
Yeah its called Occupy Syndrome. BlackBloc specifically.
Wasn’t crazy enough to get himself killed.
So, shoot him twice, one for each personality.
Of course he does! Why, as he was attending OWS rally’s in his Blac Bloc outfit, he assumed that he was at a Tea Party function. Easy mistake.
Amen! Crazy / smazy, who cares? Kill him!
You always come through, dfwgator. Well said as usual.
Man, you’re too much sometimes. LOL
You're telling us it's not his fault?
Then, who's fault is it?
Oh, I know!
IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!!
(Yes, someone actually said that already...)
What bothers me immensely is not the reaction to the psychopaths who suddenly start firing on random citizens, it's the lack of outrage at the murderous gangs who torture their victims to death,sometimes in front of other victims. Some of the stories are too horrific to repeat.
Im going to take a wild guess and say that he was probably a habitual marijuana user. Habitual use can increase the Chan es of schizzo by 300%.
"You get over to the Justice Department and tell Holder
to make sure the FBI keeps that shooter from talking.
Supposedly the guy can't remember anything at all but
we are too close to the election to take any chances."
There is snappy repartee and then sometimes somebody exceeds even that. Your comment does exactly that. Hat tip.
Perhaps the worse punishment is to heal him, if possible, and then have to live year after year with the realization of what he did.
Schizophrenia is a horrible sickness. I know it well.
Holmes neighbor knows the shooter and said he just saw him and had a drink with him the other day. He thought he was still in school and was just another typical student. He never mentioned him being schizo
Thanks for telling the truth, although you will get flamed for it.
We’re already hearing cries about tighter gun laws. The common thread running through last night’s massacre, Arizona, Columbine, and many other such incidents are the deranged minds of the shooters. Yet mental health assessment and intervention is so very hard to get in this country.
We don’t understand it, we don’t want to talk about it, and some people don’t even acknowledge that mental illness exists.
They are those who have never encountered it.
For those of us who have, we know that getting help for someone who adamantly refuses to acknowledge a problem is nigh impossible. Keeping a schizophrenic or violent bipolar patient on meds is also very hard, because they feel better and stronger and on top of their world unmedicated.
Treatment facilities can keep them only until they’re medicated enough to no longer be considered a threat. Then they’re released, go off the meds, and it starts all over again.
Flame away. I just told a truth that needs to be a national discussion. These kinds of tragedies can be avoided, if this guy was, indeed, mentally ill.
Maybe he isn’t ill, just evil. Remains to be seen. However, if he was, betcha his family knew it and were powerless to intervene.
Why would you get flamed for your post?
My daughter is schitzophrenic. Getting help is difficult and very expensive - and that's if you're willing and able to pay for it. Keeping them medicated when they don't want to be is impossible - and the medication isn't a cure. It just makes the voices a lot quieter - the patient is still mentally ill, although perhaps functional.
Because there are those here who deny the existence of mental illness. It’s already happened today, will again. Read some of the snarky comments on this thread.
It’s a difficult problem. The mentally ill used to get locked up in attics. Now we turn them loose on the streets. Surely there’s a middle ground.
Hugs to you. We dealt with two seriously mentally ill family members for years. Fortunately neither killed anyone, but the emotional toll on the families was extensive.
We need better mental health intervention and care much more than we need all the frippery fluff the government now pays for.
While the cry for gun control over this is deplorable (to to mention 180 degree illogical), and while you are correct about adult-onset schizophrenia, its delusional states and associations with situational aggression, what happened in Aurora simply does not fit those patterns.
Holmes (the shooter), while being currently described as a loner and untrained, exhibited nothing BUT training and support. He had access to a variety of weapons and explosives, he knew how to wire them into booby traps, he created a dual-site scenario, he made use of toxic gas and patterned his behavior after the psychopathy portrayed by Hollywood in Dark Knight Rises.
This is NOT a level of organization someone suffering from schizophrenia is even remotely capable of carrying out. In addition, it strongly suggests both training and supply help.
Oh, and the fact that Obama intends to sign a treaty that attempts to erase ALL private gun ownership in the country next week, AND that this wipes the Huma Abedin/Hillary Clinton investigation AND the Roberts Obamacare decision off the front page, AND directly mimics the basic Fast and Furious Democrat plan to unleash small arms mass murder and then call for gun control, is ENTIRELY coincidental.
Perhaps pharmaceutically induced.
Are schizophrenics organized (as in organized vs disorganized crimes)? I don’t think either of the two schizophrenics I’ve had contact with would have been capable of pulling this off. But maybe some would????
Okay. I would say there are definitely mentally ill people. I see them in downtown Gainesville often.
No, not at all.
My overall point is simply that his pattern of behavior fits that of a schizophrenic. If Colorado lacks an appropriate punishment then dispatching the perpetrator to God for judgement might actually be very appropriate.
My larger point was that the ridiculous hysteria on display by our entertainment-media complex, and the shameless opportunism being carried out by low-life pundits (particularly the psychopath presently living in the White House) and gun-control nuts like Mayor Bloomberg and Governor Rendell is not merely "out of proportion" to the situation when compared to the slow-motion, apparently less entertaining, massacres happening in cities like Chicago, is hateful and criminal.
I'm thinking that locking them in the attic ain't so bad... But, yes, I'd sure rather pay for that than for all CA's illegals.
I don’t think the author cares about an insanity defense. He cares about spurious accusations of “tea party” responsibility and the Democrats’ need to exploit every random disaster as political.
I’m so very sorry.
I have known a sociopath and have the scars to prove it. It’s a compelling whirlpool.
and I’m going to take a guess and say that as a brainy nerd who got two degrees in neuroscience while battling the demons that onset this disease, he was using something more stimulative than the depressive pot, something that made him feel even more omnipotent to answer the orders given by the voices in his head
pills or some cocktail of drugs he concocted from his laboratory access, my guess
My GAYDAR is going BANANAS!!!!
This might be schizophrenia, although it’s extremely rare for schizophrenics to murder, even more rare for them to mass murder. The fact that his behavior included methodical and logical steps counts against the schizophrenia idea.
Seems more likely this slaughter is the offspring of OWS.
Whirlpool is a good way to describe it - you can watch them circling the drain while they're fighting to get away from any help.
Hey now, he has people skills.
Yep - the timing is impeccable...
Whatever the cause, it's premeditated murder.
I hope someone finds out all the TRUTH they can about this nut job before Obama’s guestapo move in, cover up, and frame this thing for anything but what it actually is...
If only this young man had obamacare his mental illness would have been treated
The GOP obstructionist congress is to blame
and George Bush
and Rush Limbaugh
and maybe Sarah Palin, too
Any evidence that this guy’s an OWS type? Not every nutcase is political. Some nutcases are just nutcases.
I don't know of many people, if any, who deny the reality of mental illness.
The controversy is with how the justice system treats criminals who plead insanity, mental defect, etc.
Murderers like this one evade justice too often with a finding of "innocent due to insanity", or a similar worded finding.
The finding should be "guilty due to insanity" and the normal sentence for the crime carried out.
Many years ago, a dear friend was murdered by a student in her English as a Second Language class. Thanks to that mental illness defense, the guy is now in a prison mental health unit. But he's laughing his butt off. He bragged to a relative that he has it made...doesn't have to do anything for himself, just watches tv all day, while the taxpayers support him. Someday I hope that another inmate will someday rid us of this worthless POS.
Many years ago, a dear friend was murdered by a student in her English as a Second Language class. Thanks to that mental illness defense, the guy is now in a prison mental health unit. But he's laughing his butt off. He bragged to a relative that he has it made...doesn't have to do anything for himself, just watches tv all day, while the taxpayers support him. Someday I hope that another inmate will someday rid us of this worthless POS.
Amen
You have been through this
Once your kid is 18 you can’t even see his medical records or talk to his doctors without his permission, heck you can’t even see his school attendance and grades
You know he is aticking human time bomb and there is nothing anyone can say or do unless he goes off
God Bless
I agree.
Always wise to apply Occam’s Razor.
Damn....wish I’d thought of that!..............
I have to admit that when I saw the first picture of the guy today released by the press that my first thought was, “this guy looks like someone you would have seen at one of the occupy protests.”
Told my wife the same as she showed me the pic on her cell phpne as we were driving to Monticello today.
I wonder if he actually attended any?
If he did, you will never here it from the MSM. Blogosphere, talk radio, or Fox would have to dig it up.
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