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Trayvon Martin / Zimmermann case gets weaker every day. New Negative Revelations.
Source? Friends and Fiends.

Posted on 04/23/2012 2:25:39 PM PDT by MindBender26

I have just learned from a friend in Seminole County law enforcement, who is very close to Zimmermann case, that the case against Mr. Zimmerman is even weaker than originally thought.

It seems that the police officer/technician who collected the evidence at the scene and signed the evidence report was not in any way qualified to do so.

He was much more of a breathalyzer technician and someone who would do field drug testing and initial toxicology reports at the scenes of suspected crimes. It is believed that the shooting was his first ever full crime scene investigation and he had not been trained to the standard levels of competency. The Sanford PD did not think the case against Zimmerman had nearly enough merit to bother doing a thorough investigation.

In addition, when the drug screens come back from Martin, they will show a host of recreational drugs. All of this is further circumstantial evidence of potential irrational activity on the part of Mr. Martin, and remember, the State has already admitted that they have no evidence as to who started the fight.

There's more: There is another very interesting point of law coming to the forefront. It may easily be held that regardless of who started the fight, when Martin slammed Zimmerman's head onto the concrete with the force that he did, that act became Assault With A Deadly Weapon, (the concrete,) and at that point Zimmerman had the right to defend himself, with deadly force if necessary, regardless of what had happened up to that point.

We shall see.


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We shall see.
1 posted on 04/23/2012 2:25:46 PM PDT by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26

We shall see too.


2 posted on 04/23/2012 2:27:40 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: MindBender26

I shall scream my head off about this.

I shall email 10,000 people.


3 posted on 04/23/2012 2:30:02 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: MindBender26

Did they do any toxicology tests on Zimmerman? I’m told that’s standard procedure in a shooting. I haven’t seen anything saying that they did.


4 posted on 04/23/2012 2:31:00 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: MindBender26

But Zimmerman SHOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF HIS CAR, because getting out of his car is getting out of his car!

If someone gets out of their car on you, you have the right to...

Nevermind, I cannot even continue with my own sarcasm o0

/s


And today we have a police chief who did his job damn well stepping down in order to appease those who cannot be appeased and refuse to deal in reality.

This case is damaging to our society.


5 posted on 04/23/2012 2:34:25 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: MindBender26

I believe this case will NEVER make it to trial! What happens on May 8th at the arraignment? Can it be thrown out then?


6 posted on 04/23/2012 2:34:25 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: chris37

LOL!

How DARE he get.out.of.his.car.....Signed, Clara Lou


7 posted on 04/23/2012 2:35:46 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: MindBender26

I don’t see why it matters much in this case who collected the evidence and signed the document. The evidence is all damning for Trayvon, not Zimmerman.


8 posted on 04/23/2012 2:36:20 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: spacejunkie2001
What happens on May 8th at the arraignment? Can it be thrown out then?

My understanding is that, under Florida's Stand Your Ground law, the answer is yes.
9 posted on 04/23/2012 2:37:16 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: jiggyboy

>>>Did they do any toxicology tests on Zimmerman? I’m told that’s standard procedure in a shooting. I haven’t seen anything saying that they did.

And there’s nothing on the record to say they didn’t either.

How ‘bout we let the facts come out, on the record until we jump to conclusions???


10 posted on 04/23/2012 2:38:08 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: spacejunkie2001
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"Holder's People" ... the black african thugees known as the New Black Panthers Party ...

already have "hit lists" to GET AWAY WITH MURDER ... while that Racist Pig Eric Holder does "nothing" ...

"What Hath God Wrought ?"


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11 posted on 04/23/2012 2:39:44 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: spacejunkie2001; Buckeye McFrog

There is a separate SYG hearing, and it will be soon.


12 posted on 04/23/2012 2:39:48 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: MindBender26

If this case gets thrown out, they are going to call it “a travesty and white man’s revenge for OJ”...nevermind that there’s no and that this incident has no white people in it.


13 posted on 04/23/2012 2:40:04 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: MindBender26

Thanks for the update MB.

Did Zero and the race pimps jump on this horse a little too soon? Time will tell.


14 posted on 04/23/2012 2:40:46 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: MindBender26
GETTING OUT OF CAR WHILE WHITE HISPANIC
15 posted on 04/23/2012 2:40:51 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The judge can find there is no pc. But would you want to be that judge?


16 posted on 04/23/2012 2:41:30 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: MindBender26

No doubt in my mind that if “Little Trayvon” had gotten Mr. Zimmerman’s gun away from him, he would have shot him dead on the spot.


17 posted on 04/23/2012 2:42:12 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: mamelukesabre

I don’t know florida rules but,.... pretty much anyone can collect evidence. There are standard rules for collecting and if the rules are followed, it can be admitted into court. I can train anyone to collect evidence and as long as they can prove custoday, chain of evidence, and detail the steps they took in the collection, it will be admittede.


18 posted on 04/23/2012 2:42:24 PM PDT by midcop402
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To: MindBender26

Do you think it’s after the arraignment, which they moved up from 5/29 to 5/8?

I PRAY O’Mara has a set and FIGHTS on behalf of George. I like Mark from what I’ve seen but he comes across like he’s always ready to acquiesce.


19 posted on 04/23/2012 2:42:29 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: MindBender26

I agree 100%. Just what we know now from the photos and from the eye-witness testimony is that towards the end of the fight, Martin had Zimmerman trapped on the ground beating him, and slamming his head against the sidewalk...and this after Martin had broke Zimmerman’s nose.

Zimmerman was in mortal peril of his life and you can foget “stand your ground” at that point, it was a straight forward case of self defense.

I believe the 2nd degree murder and manslaughter charges will be acquitted and the State of Florida had best be prepared for that...and in force heavily.

The media, the race pimps, and this administration have purposfully turned this into a violent race situation, and done so purely for political purposes.


20 posted on 04/23/2012 2:43:07 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: MindBender26
"...when Martin slammed Zimmerman's head onto the concrete with the force that he did, that act became Assault With A Deadly Weapon, (the concrete,) and at that point Zimmerman had the right to defend himself,..."

Article restating the obvious. Zimmerman has the right to defend himself with deadly force if Martin attempts to slam his head in the concrete. Not afterwards. He didn't have to succeed for Zimmerman to be justified in using deadly force.

21 posted on 04/23/2012 2:44:04 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: spacejunkie2001

hehe :DD


22 posted on 04/23/2012 2:44:23 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: MindBender26

If, for some reason, SYG is not applicable (and I have some doubts on that point), the AWDW/SD argument will be made. IF Zimmerman’s attorney has even a glimmer of competence.


23 posted on 04/23/2012 2:44:26 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: gaijin

LMAO!!!!


24 posted on 04/23/2012 2:45:22 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: MindBender26
The Sanford P.D. got it right the first time.

This incident was made to order for a racial conflict crisis and as Rahm Emanuel said "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before".

Liberals don't like Florida's gun laws and they absolutely hate the SYG law. Add that to an upcoming election and they think they're in high cotton.

25 posted on 04/23/2012 2:46:25 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: mamelukesabre

Didn’t you hear? - Obama is involved in this case and he is a white African - just like Zimmerman who is a white Hispanic.


26 posted on 04/23/2012 2:46:59 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: MindBender26

“when Martin slammed Zimmerman’s head onto the concrete with the force that he did, that act became Assault With A Deadly Weapon, (the concrete,) and at that point Zimmerman had the right to defend himself, with deadly force if necessary, regardless of what had happened up to that point. “

That’s been my unqualified opinion all along just based on common sense. No matter what Zim did, right or wrong (short of unprovoked murder 1 which did not happen here) it was all null and void when Mr Hoodie decided to bang Zim’s head into the concrete because he did not like the way he was being looked at and followed by an official resident of the community. That to me is deadly force and no different then pulling a gun or knife.


27 posted on 04/23/2012 2:48:30 PM PDT by Craigon
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To: Buckeye McFrog
My understanding is that, under Florida's Stand Your Ground law, the answer is yes.

I don't think Stand Your Ground applies.

It's more like the "Getting Beat Down Into The Ground" law...

28 posted on 04/23/2012 2:49:20 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: goseminoles
No one ever said being a judge was risk free.

I have a good friend, now retired, who packed heat under his robe every day in court.

29 posted on 04/23/2012 2:50:09 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: MindBender26
He was much more of a breathalyzer technician...

Did Trayvon pass?

30 posted on 04/23/2012 2:50:50 PM PDT by moovova
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To: MindBender26

Has Zimmerman even claimed protection under the SYG law? Since Zimmerman claims to have been sucker punched and gone down, how does this law even enter into this case?


31 posted on 04/23/2012 2:52:07 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: goseminoles

Anyone threatening a judge will find a host of LE types on their doorstep. Judges are REAL QUICK to drop the hammer on those who threaten them.

Other citizens, not so much.

So, if this judge is ethical, he will toss this out.


32 posted on 04/23/2012 2:52:07 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBPP Mob Justice!)
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To: chris37

Brilliant post!!!LOL!!

You have me terrified to get out of my car now!ha.


33 posted on 04/23/2012 2:53:41 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (NEWT in 2012)
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To: MindBender26

How are the crime stats in the neighborhood since the night of the incident?

Nobody has seemed to question if in fact Trayvon had been burglarizing the neighborhood.


34 posted on 04/23/2012 2:54:14 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Roccus
Since Zimmerman claims to have been sucker punched and gone down, how does this law even enter into this case?

Kind of hard to retreat while supine, I agree. You've already given as much ground as the circumstances allow. IMO.

35 posted on 04/23/2012 2:55:02 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Roccus
Has Zimmerman even claimed protection under the SYG law? Since Zimmerman claims to have been sucker punched and gone down, how does this law even enter into this case?

Zimmerman is entitled to a special hearing and could get the charges dropped a lot sooner, even if he didn't have to rely on SYG, otherwise.

36 posted on 04/23/2012 2:55:14 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: mamelukesabre

I don’t know florida rules but,.... pretty much anyone can collect evidence. There are standard rules for collecting and if the rules are followed, it can be admitted into court. I can train anyone to collect evidence and as long as they can prove custoday, chain of evidence, and detail the steps they took in the collection, it will be admittede.


37 posted on 04/23/2012 2:55:33 PM PDT by midcop402
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To: moovova

Trayvon was not exhaling much when they “examined” him.


38 posted on 04/23/2012 2:55:40 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: spacejunkie2001

I think O Mara’s seemingly nice guy image is one he has honed when being a TV analyst..and he does the ‘nice’ thing on purpose for the cameras.

As in, “Aw goly shucks..I guess we just don’t have the evidence. sorry.”


39 posted on 04/23/2012 2:56:27 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (NEWT in 2012)
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To: moovova

The person to be examined has to exhale a big breath into the machine and Trayvon was not exhaling much when they “examined” him.


40 posted on 04/23/2012 2:56:32 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: MindBender26
Give it up. They have all the facts. They know all about how whites have lied over and over. Zimmerman is as guilty as the these whites.

"Also in the mid-1990s, [New York Congressman Major] Owens made headlines when he said, on the House floor, that during the trans-Atlantic slave trade some 200 million African slaves bound for America had been thrown overboard by their white captors. This, he explained, had permanently changed the ecology of the Atlantic Ocean and had caused sharks, as a species, to begin following ships (in search of food)." Here

41 posted on 04/23/2012 2:57:26 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Molon Labbie

I pray for the judge. And all involved in thus fiasco. This whole thing is bs. Im grateful for the pics that surfaced friday. That is rock solid..


42 posted on 04/23/2012 2:57:40 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: MindBender26
In addition, when the drug screens come back from Martin, they will show a host of recreational drugs. All of this is further circumstantial evidence of potential irrational activity on the part of Mr. Martin, and remember, the State has already admitted that they have no evidence as to who started the fight.

Since Martin was on suspension for high school for being found with drugs and drug paraphernalia, it's a good guess that he was high on drugs the night of his death. Even more important, that seriously reduces the value of any testimony about the incident form his girl friend, sine whatever he blabbered could have been in a drug induced haze.

43 posted on 04/23/2012 2:58:24 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: MindBender26

I’ve been wondering if anyone in Florida
has considered the possibility that Martin
WAS the culprit in the robbings of
Zimmerman’s neighbors.

Has anyone heard anything about that?


44 posted on 04/23/2012 2:59:38 PM PDT by CaptainPhilFan
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To: MindBender26

All very rational. The people we have to watch out for are not rational they are new Nazi’s.


45 posted on 04/23/2012 2:59:53 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Cvengr

Ah, beat me to it, but you said it
much better.


46 posted on 04/23/2012 3:01:10 PM PDT by CaptainPhilFan
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To: MindBender26

I have always suspected Martin was on drugs.

For starters, Zimmerman mentions the same suspicions, during the 911 call.

But also, why would this young lad be wandering around, taking the slow walk, in the nasty weather, to his house? 7-11 officials put him at the store between 6:00 and 6:30...at least 40 minutes before Zimmerman calls 911. Why did St. Skittles take so long, to walk a mile? In the drizzle and cold?

Maybe if my dad’s girlfriend doesn’t tolerate the smoke in her apartment, I might have to ‘go for a walk’, to get a smoke.

Just a theory...but it seems to match the info your ‘insider’ has.


47 posted on 04/23/2012 3:02:32 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: MindBender26

Did you ever think of a blood screen for drugs?? It’s done all the time and it’s a lot better test for drugs than a breathalyzer. Truly extraordinary how much they show. Just go to your doctor some time and get some routine blood tests.


48 posted on 04/23/2012 3:04:03 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: Jeff Head
Zimmerman got out of his car, which gave Martin the right to use deadly force against him, but did not give Zimmerman the right to defend himself.

At any rate, that's what you get if you listen to the media (including most of the people on FNC).

Even after Martin started bashing his head against the sidewalk, it seems that Zimmerman's response was to try to move so that his head would hit the earth instead...but he made the mistake of reaching for his cell phone and inadvertently let Martin see his gun. It was only when Martin tried to grab his gun that he shot him.

Of course that makes Martin a hero to the gun-grabbers.

49 posted on 04/23/2012 3:04:37 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Cvengr

I am very curious. This young upstanding lad had previously been found to be in possession of women’s jewelry, and a screwdriver.

And this community had 8 burgularies in the prior 14 months.

The McGruff in me would try to find that jewelry (presumably confiscated by his school), and tie it to any of the burgularies.

Not to speak ill of the dead, but the lad was on suspension for drug residue, and he had been suspended before for the jewelry theft. I can’t imagine why Zimmerman thought he looked suspicious! Must have been because he was black.


50 posted on 04/23/2012 3:06:50 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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