Jim Robinson
Posted on 02/15/2012 3:30:52 PM PST by Toaster tank
I've had it, after 55 years, with the Catholic Church. No more of my money for these people. Every homily is like an Obama campaign speech. Hiding the homosexual scandal, promoting Obama Care........ on & on.
Is there a conservative alternative?
Orthodox Church maybe? Never been to one but I'm ready to switch.
Is there a conservative alternative? Orthodox Church maybe?
Any suggestions?
I’ve been Orthodox for 22 years, after growing up Methodist. It’s been one of the better choices I’ve made.
There are lots of flawed priests.
Have you spoken to the pastor about your concerns?
My Church is The Assemblies of God and you can read about what we believe at www.ag.org. I'm sure there is a local A/G church in your area if you would like to attend.
You could always switch to the First Church of Shatnerology!
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Just finding a church that actually follows and believes in the Bible would be a great step up from where you’ve been.
I haven’t noticed that at all in my parrish.........
All of that aside, there are problems in the church I attend also. What I am interested in is relationship with other believers for the purpose of spuring each other on in our mutual walk in ‘The Way.’ I suppose it may come down to house churches as it is in much of the rest of the world but I am confidant that God will keep us and abide with us if we abide in Him.
My prayers for you are to pursue God no matter what earthly bonds hold you.
WCF
P.S. There is a tremendous book I would recommend to you if you are open to a ‘Sola Scriptura’ perspective. ‘The Pursuit of God’ by A.W. Tozer. You can get a copy at any Christian bookstore or on Amazon.
In Him.
Politicizing religion is the liberals game. Stay with Christ’s Church, either lung, but don’t expect never to have to stand up for His teaching.
The pope recently pointed out that we need to speak up to those who don’t agree with us, not just seek an echo chamber. Perhaps staying where you are is what is best.
May I recommend you ignore the stereotype assigned to the Southern Baptist Church and give it a try? It’s conservative, the people are not obnoxious racists, no matter what you have been told, and they do a mind boggling amount of multicultural mission and charity work. For instance, this summer a group from our church will be going to Haiti where they will build three homes in one week to replace housing destroyed in the earthquake.
We left the Presbyterian Church USA 15 years ago and have never regretted it. (No, I have never seen anybody “roll around in the aisles”, either.
Southern Baptist.
I wonder if you are a troll but, if not, find a Latin (Tridentine) Mass. The homilies will be very different from what you are describing.
My priest doesn’t sound like that at all nor do the priests in the four nearby parishes. The problem is not The Church. It is individual priests and bishops. Politics is not a valid basis to decide what theology you are compatible with. If you are a Catholic because your daddy was a Catholic and don’t know why the Church exists and anything of the theology then you might as well be a Baptist or a Unitarian or go somewhere that has friendly people or something. It is like going to the Catholic Church because you like the bingo on Thursday night.
Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. Very conservetive and you will be able to follow the liturgy!
I changed from Catholic to Orthodox. Its a similar Msss
You’re just trying to start us all eye gouging and hair pulling with each other, right?
You’re just trying to start us all eye gouging and hair pulling with each other, right?
First Church of the Gooey Death and Discount House of Worship. Most include a baptismal car wash... Don Imus
Seriously, I’ve been a practicing Catholic for most of my life. I’ve gotten up and walked out with my family a few times, but it was because a particular priest was inserting his personal beliefs for that of the church. No organization is perfect...
From speaking to them...they aren't "quite conservative" at all.
liberals in your parish? It’s a cross.
How’s that for a conservative homily? The scandal of Judas ... there will always be Judases in the church.
I’ve always thought that churches were to preach the word of God and Jesus only and remain apolitical?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7998-Ttndc
Have you actually read the latest Papal document (or any Papal document) on the Bible? http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_ben-xvi_exh_20100930_verbum-domini_en.html
The Catholic Church clearly believes in the Bible. You may not agree with her interpretation of the Bible, and not all Catholics actually believe what the Church puts forward for belief, but if you read her official statements on the Bible, the official position is clear. As to actually following . . . well, that has been a problem since these two guys named Judas and Peter showed up. We try . . . at least some of us do—though it is at times tempting to despair.
This is my denomination which is very conservative and Biblically orthodox:
You can find your nearest PCA here:
https://processor.pcanet.org/ac/directory/directory.cfm
If you don’t believe in the Real Presence in the Eucharist it doesn’t matter where you go.If you are concerned about politics then a church is not what you are after. Despair is a sin and you should pray and go to confession and find another parish if you don’t like the homilies.
Attend the Traditional Latin Mass — the Mass of the Church for nearly 2,000 years before the new religion of Vatican II was instituted. Rediscover your heritage — you will hear only orthodoxy and correct doctrine, and you’ll NEVER hear a liberal thought again.
Might I put forward the Anglican Orthodox Church. Affiliates in 22 countries, no real overhead, totally Scripture based and completely aligned with the Constitution in this country. www.anglicanorthodox.com
Might I put forward the Anglican Orthodox Church. Affiliates in 22 countries, no real overhead, totally Scripture based and completely aligned with the Constitution in this country. www.anglicanorthodox.com
Try to find out how the majority of church members interpret political issues of the day after growing up in that church, or joining it.
According to conservapedia, Southern Baptists voted 80% Republican in 2008.
Get thee to the nearest Latin Mass parish.
Fine a Traditional, Tridentine Church. You won’t hear blasphemy spoken there.
The internet makes it easy to preview churches. Look for their doctrine of faith and find wording that says that they believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. If they don’t say something along those lines then they’re compromising on God’s Truth. If they compromise there then for sure they’re compromising elsewhere.
I went through that exercise when trying to find a conservative church for my son to attend while going to college. Kind of tough to do when you’re not local to the college.
We’ve been extremely happy with the firm conservative teachings of our church, an Evangelical Free Church. Give them serious consideration.
Dude, you're in the wrong parish. I hate to break it to you, but human nature s#$%s. Salvation is not based on human perfection. It's based on the truth. The truth is hard, and some people can't take it. Some are liberal, and some think they are conservative. It's incumbent on you to look after your soul and your family and seek out a priest or spiritual director who can direct you well. They are all over the country. They are all over the world—especially today, with e-mail and Internet to help us find them.
Herein lies the paradox: You're angry that the liberal priests you've heard are not true enough to the Faith. And yet your solution is just as "liberal" as theirs—after all, they don't believe in the truth, and think going to church is just what makes you feel good and justified.
When Our Lord first preached "my flesh is food indeed," and so on, flocks of followers headed for the hills because they couldn't take it. He turned to the Disciples, as I remember, and asked, "Will you also go away?"
I think it was Peter who replies, "To whom, Lord, would we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life."
What are you willing to trade that for? This kind of thing has happened throughout our history, and the Church has always reformed and flourished again. Get back on board, brother. I'll lend you a bucket.
Where are you?
I think that good, accurate, Christian teaching in church, leads to good, conservative voters in the voting booth, they know how to choose leaders, and how to decide the right and wrong of the political issues, and how to write and influence the writing of their party's platform.
In a free nation with the universal vote, and a Democrat party representing anti-Christianity, nothing is apolitical.
It was the FIRST Christian Church.
The word “Catholic” means UNIVERSAL>
However, the Priesthood has been infested with Socialists who do not really understand economic issues.
“Subsidiarity” is still Catholic Doctrine, and it is a rebuke of Socialism and Communism
Unfortunately, few Priests and Bishops understand that Doctrine.
As a Catholic, I know that Peter was the first Pope, and I know that the history, relics, manuscripts and all early artifacts of Christianity are in the hands of the Catholic Church or the Orthodox Church, which was the first to separate from Rome.
I also know that Martin Luther and the Protestants were wrong to strip several Books OUT of the Bible, Books that were part of the teachings available in the synagogues Jesus visited, while on this Earth.
There would be no Bible without the Catholic Church.
There would be no Christianity without the Catholic Church.
Having said that?
The Catholic Bishops are really getting on my nerves! I do not expect you to accept all that I have stated, here, but --- if you wish to recruit Catholics to any other faith, I ask you to understand where we are coming from!
Are you sure it’s not PSUSA and not PCA? Just a guess.
I went through the exact same thing beginning in the late 1990’s to early 2000’s. I was equally frustrated by all of the liberal “Spirit of Vatican II” priests and parishes. However, I wanted to remain Catholic, so I went on a search for “Conservative Catholicism”, so to speak. It IS out there. However, it is a small percentage of the overall Church in the West.
What I found is that those who attend the Traditional Latin Mass, and the parishes that are dedicated to it, tend to be very Conservative. I have found the within the Catholic Church, “Traditional” and/or “Latin” and/or “Latin Mass” tend to equate to “Conservative”. However, be prepared. Most of the rest of the left-wing Catholic Church can’t stand Traditional Catholics, or Traditional Catholicism. In fact, Conservative Catholics seem to be the only allowable target for “intolerance” by a large portion of the institiutional Catholic Church. By way of example, however, I live in the left-wing SF Bay Area, and I found a Catholic Parish that does the Latin Mass out here. The Mass is very reverent, and the sermons are very good. Plus, I can actually attend the after-mass Sunday receptions, and hear lots of people discussing Rush Limbaugh in positive terms (for example), and talking about what a bad president Obama is. And this is in the left-wing extremist SF Bay Area, believe it or not!!
The bad news is that less than 10% of the Catholic Church is Traditional, although that number has been increasing in slowly in recent years (much to the dismay of the mainline Catholics!!). This can make the Traditional Rite difficult (or impossible) to find in some areas (some liberal Bishops forbid it outright, even though this violates mandates from the Pope).
I would suggest that you check around, and see if you can find a Traditional Latin Mass in your area, and try it out. I really value the Conservative Catholic parish that I have found. I was like you, but they have helped to save my sanity. I have to drive 25 miles to go there each Sunday, but I do so willingly (and I also now do Alter Serving one weekday per week). God is good.
There is a Vatican Commission called Ecclesia Dei (spelling??) which is dedicated to the Traditional Latin Mass. They have a Web Site for the United States. I would suggest Googling it, and checking it out. One thing they do there is list every “official” Traditional Latin Mass in the United States that is held on a regular basis (the one’s that are in union with Rome). The list is broken down by State. Hopefully, there is one close to you.
In addition, there are a few priestly organizations within the Church that are dedicated to the Latin Mass. Two of the largest of these in the USA, that I know of anyway, are called The Priestly Society of Saint Peter (or FSSP), and The Institute of Christ the King, Sovereign Priest. If you Google their USA Web Sites, you can see where each of their apostlates are located (although their locations are also listed in the list on the Ecclesia Dei Web Site mentioned above).
Anyway, those are some suggestions. Please don’t give up on the Cathoic Church just yet!!
I taught a class using Tozer’s Pursuit of God last summer. First, let me point out that the text is available on the internet for free. I found a free version for my iPad in the iBook store. I also found a pdf versions online.
Second, your suggestion that it has a “sola scriptura” viewpoint is interesting. Really? Tozer is simply telling the believer that they must change their attitude and heart in order to meet God for worship and allow God to have a say in their daily lives.
Finally, I would certainly recommend this book. It is worth the read. However, my sister and I found it lacking for ‘recipes’ on HOW to pursue God; e.g., regular times for Bible reading. It is more of an entreaty pointing out how we currently don’t pursue God and why we should pursue God.
I would introduce each class session with the point that when we do not pursue God we are (1) cheating ourselves, since we are not living the life of an adopted Son and (2) cheating God. God is cheated out of the worship that he deserves and he is cheated since you are not living up to your potential to be His witness to others.
It’s either about the Sacraments or it isn’t. You were in the Catholic Church for 50 years, so you know no way is it more liberal now than in the 70’s and 80’s. The late 70’s and early 80’s is when the liberalism peaked after Vatican II.
Freegards
You could try a church that practices first century Christianity:
Is it a PCUSA church (liberal), PCA (conservative), OPC (conservative), or some other “Presbyterian” Church (mixed results)?
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