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GOP Debate: Rick Perry Booed Over Texas Immigration Law
ABC News ^ | Sep 12, 2011 | Amy Bingham

Posted on 09/13/2011 3:55:34 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

“The American way is not to give taxpayer-subsidized benefits to people who have broken our laws and are here in the United States illegally,” Bachmann said at the CNN/Tea Party Express debate.

Perry defended the law, saying it was a states’ rights issue.

“We were clearly sending a message to young people that, regardless of what the sound of their last name is, that we believe in you,” Perry said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; boos; dreamact; immigration; openborderperry; perry; perry4mexico; ricardoperez; rickiericardo; rinorick; wronganswer
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Last name is not the issue at all. I believe illegals should not be in school in the first place. In state tuition is is adding insult to injury.

Texas can't complain about the Feds doing this to them though.

1 posted on 09/13/2011 3:55:41 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Liz; indylindy

I don’t think Perry had a really good reply in his bag to defend his dream act, but making it about “last names” is characteristic of Identity Politics, not conservatism.


2 posted on 09/13/2011 4:04:41 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Perry kept repeating the “last name” line.

The fact is they are here illegally.

If the state of Texas wants to give people who are here illegally, “in state tuition”, they should stop charging “out of state tuition” to legal American citizens from any state of the union.

Perhaps he could say “in Texas, nobody pays out of state tuition, even if their name isn’t of Hispanic origin.”


3 posted on 09/13/2011 4:10:15 AM PDT by dforest
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Perry answered as speaking for the employers of Texas who hire illegals and from whom Perry receives campaign cash.

Perry = Crony Capitalist.

America is supposed to be a nation of laws, not of contributors to campaigns.

Laws favoring wealthy contributors are enforced.

Laws threatening wealthy contributors are ignored.

4 posted on 09/13/2011 4:15:57 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority (Where is the middle ground on insolvency of the United States government?)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Last name? What a liberal response! I can’t believe noone called him on it!


5 posted on 09/13/2011 4:17:26 AM PDT by MNDude (Congratulations Jimmy Carter, you are no longer the worst President in HistorymakE)
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To: indylindy
Perhaps he could say “in Texas, nobody pays out of state tuition, even if their name isn’t of Hispanic origin.”

I can understand that Texas can't afford to give in state tuition rates to the whole country, but a dream act is amnesty's foot in the door.

6 posted on 09/13/2011 4:18:02 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Wheeeere are the Perrybots on this one?


7 posted on 09/13/2011 4:18:20 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: MNDude
Last name? What a liberal response! I can’t believe noone called him on it!

The audience did.

8 posted on 09/13/2011 4:19:20 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Well, on that note, we have no candidate. Guess I will stay home.

Oh wait, tried that in 2008.


9 posted on 09/13/2011 4:21:09 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarahcuda in 2012. Nothing but Net!!!)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

The kernel..the nugget of it all is taxes, regulation, and immigration

The story of American jobs and labor is deeply intertwined with predatory Federal, state and local taxation and regulation....

South Koreans sleep soundly on their border with NORKS because of American Taxpayer dollars and the American GI.

Why can’t Texans, New Mexicans, Arizonans and Californians?....BECAUSE

Illegal immigration is THE KEY to the perpetuation of the status quo in DC......

Predatory tax and regulatory policies-actions that basically serve to perpetuate and grow governments-leave what business is left in the country seeking disposable labor.

Illegal Labor is the Feds out for preserving the status quo regarding Taxes and Regulation. Interestingly, that is WHY the Feds encourage in-state tuition etc for illegals under-the-table -their presence providing disposable labor allows Federal, State and local regulatory and tax excess in the status quo to continue

Immigration is the ultimate litmus test as to the candidates in question commitment to meaningful regulatory and tax reform. If they are wishy-washy on the subject...they have no real intent to disturb the DC status quo...no matter how big their cowboy hat and six-gun.

Real”leadership” is that which will place Flyover Country’s interest ahead of the Feds....haven’t yet seen anything meaningful anywhere from anybody to indicate that might happen. We have just one more election cycle to make that happen via rule of law. Otherwise its the end of the run for America.


10 posted on 09/13/2011 4:21:16 AM PDT by mo
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

We are calling him on it now.

Your last name can be Gahootinbollock, but if you are not American why should we help pay for your college education, when we have thopusands of American kids who could use that money and that spot the illegal is taking up in college.


11 posted on 09/13/2011 4:23:06 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I like Perry, but I have a real problem with his stance in the area of illegals. We got the same crap from W which soured me on him. We’re a country and a country has borders or we’re not.


12 posted on 09/13/2011 4:28:45 AM PDT by Recon Dad ("Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way..")
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

I could not agree more as my front yard is 100 yards from the border. He has been horrible on illegal aliens. He panders to them just as bad as Obama or McCain. How people can think this guy is our conservative dream is lost on me.


13 posted on 09/13/2011 4:29:57 AM PDT by carjic (I've always been taught to respect my elders.... but it's getting harder to find any!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Patience. We’ve still got five months before the first primary vote is cast.


14 posted on 09/13/2011 4:34:43 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: indylindy
Perry kept repeating the “last name” line.

Sounds like an attempt to turn it into a race issue.
15 posted on 09/13/2011 4:35:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
I cannot and WILL NOT support perry or his vision of illegal alien invaders... they kill... maime and destroy... but they can lay sheetrock and install tuck and roll. Bottom line... illegal is illegal and he can't keep his states rights illegals in Texas... some have come to Mississippi and when they do... crime and destruction of property and life follows. They are also killing our economy.

LLS

16 posted on 09/13/2011 4:36:47 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: DaxtonBrown

He’s governor of a large state with a huge border. The state was overrun with illegals long before he became governor. He was correct in saying it’s the fed’s job to protect the border. He called for boots on the ground and air cover.


17 posted on 09/13/2011 4:37:12 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
There are issues with every candidate but the GOP at this point must make sure that the candidate chosen doesn't have more issues than Obama.

The only one even close to Obama on having issues is Romney.

18 posted on 09/13/2011 4:39:38 AM PDT by tobyhill (A Democrat that doesn't lie would be a lie)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Can Parry and Romney!

I saw Palin, Bachmann, and Cain on TV last night. Everyone of them is better than Perry or Romney.

Elect Cain, Bachmann, or Palin!

19 posted on 09/13/2011 4:40:02 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("That is the great eternal question: Are 'Liberals' evil or stupid?" ~Ann Coulter)
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To: LibLieSlayer

That’s disingenuous.

States have no ability on their own to secure their borders and have no authority to deport anyone. And they certainly don’t have the wherewithal to keep them in the state from which they entered illegally!


20 posted on 09/13/2011 4:40:11 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: mo

Wow, excellent post.


21 posted on 09/13/2011 4:41:18 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Recon Dad
Perry looks like a George W. Bush replay to me!
22 posted on 09/13/2011 4:42:54 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("That is the great eternal question: Are 'Liberals' evil or stupid?" ~Ann Coulter)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Perry is still a democrat at heart just like Lieberman the independent is .


23 posted on 09/13/2011 4:43:43 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; shield; All
After Roland Martin's comments [LINKED below], no one on the CNN Panel pointed out how Gov. Rick Perry was attacked by the other panelists for in-state tuition allowed for high school graduates (in Texas schools for 3 years) working for citizenship (allowed to attend U.S. schools by the Feds) so they will not be a burden on the American taxpayer -- "regardless of your last name."

Gov. Perry may well have put AZ, NM, NV, CO in the GOP column with Rick Perry on the 2012 GOP ticket and made 55 CA Electoral Votes viable pick-ups.

How CNN's analysts scored the debate

[snip] .....>>> Roland Martin, CNN contributor: "If you're a Latino voter, the last thing you wanted to hear was some of the stuff you heard tonight. Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico will be critical states when it comes to November 2012. The GOP did themselves no favors tonight with Latino voters.

"Education did not come up in this debate at all. The only moment it came up was about abolishing the Department of Education. If you're a parent trying to get your kid educated, not a single candidate offered anything to speak to the crisis we have in this country when it comes to education. Major failure in that."<<<.....

24 posted on 09/13/2011 4:44:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
RICK PERRY SUPPORTS AND SIGNED LAW GIVING TUITION TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

It's over for him. He's done.

If you support Perry or Romney, you are supporting everything that's wrong with both the GOP elite AND the Democrats.

Just the facts, Freepers. His immigration stance IS THE SAME AS OBAMA'S...

25 posted on 09/13/2011 4:47:03 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: DaxtonBrown
Wheeeere are the Perrybots on this one?

Read Post #24.

I also found it interesting, that after about the 20th time of repeating “innocent 11-12 year-old little girls” (in the Tampa CNN-Tea Party debate, CNN post-debate, Fox News post-debate), when asked by Greta VanSusteren if she believed Gov. Perry used an Executive Order for the cervical cancer vaccine to get $6000.00 or because he believed it was a good idea and would help fight the spread of this cancer, Michele Bachmann actually stopped talking for a couple of nanoseconds, paused and said that she couldn’t look into his heart and know that answer.

The answer is obvious to any honest person, that Gov. Perry did it to help fight cancer and hold down future medical costs (not make money, reward a company (Merck contributes $Millions to political groups yearly) - encourage girls to become sexually active or even suggest that they do). The best time to administer the HPV vaccine is when girls are young (they can contract this cancer from their husbands – get oral cancer – thank you Bill Clinton for your part in making America's youth think oral sex isn't sex).

About deaths from vaccines – over 400 people die yearly in the U.S. alone from penicillin allergies. All medicine carries risks -- have you watched an Rx commercial disclaimer lately?

And it was opt out. The governor’s EO allowed easier payment due to insurance restrictions. And it was not opposed by Dr. David Stevens, CEO of the Christian Medical Association.

Why CMA supported Perry's HPV vaccination order

26 posted on 09/13/2011 4:48:04 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Lying like those women of virtue Palin and Bachman on the Greta show?

Since 2006 Texas has spent over 250 million of our own dough to secure the U.S./Mexico border. Remember, that is the U.S. border and it's not Texas's responsibility but we take it on.

We get .94 for every dollar we send in to the Feds (Alsaka gets 1.80 I suppose to defend the Canadian/Alaska border).

Texas can't just round up illegals and ship them back to Mexico, neither can Arizona or New Mexico or California. We can jail them at our costs or we can try to cope the best we can.

Perry had it right. Since we cant deport we have a choice, jail or continue to let illegals opperate under the radar or.

Palin and Bachman are a joke when it comes to the reality of border security. Palin said in 2008 in an interview with Univision she wouldn't deport the illegals because it would be inhumane and she understood why they want to be here, now on O'Reilly she says she is gonna build a 2600 mile fence, militarize the border and deport them all. Liar and panderer is she. The only thing Palin had going for her was her appearance of virtue, certainly not her half term governor experience. After her false accusation of Perry, she doesn't even have that, and to think, after the guardisil thing, Palin still sang Perry's praises and supported him over KBH.

27 posted on 09/13/2011 4:49:14 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: indylindy

The “last name” line is especially offensive because it implies that those who want immigration laws enforced are racist. I’d vote Perry off the Republican primary planet for that alone.


28 posted on 09/13/2011 4:50:51 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Savage Beast
Cain was great, Palin and Bachman are unserious amateurs. It was very clear.

"Presidents can't make mistakes" Bachman and Palin accusing Perry of selling out for 5,000 was low budget.

Funny how Palin still endorsed Perry after the guardisil thing.

29 posted on 09/13/2011 4:53:51 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: cripplecreek

How can we forget GWB and Michael Chertoff calling us xenophobes?

I get so tired of this stuff.

We have been through this before. If pandering to these people and reawarding them for breaking our laws is so popular, the dems would have passed a CIR bill in the 1st 2 years while we could not have stopped it.

That is why Obama has been using EO”s to reward them.


30 posted on 09/13/2011 4:55:38 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Savage Beast

George Bush was a bit more conservative in my opinion.


31 posted on 09/13/2011 4:56:07 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Nobodies perfect and Perry certainly proved it last night.
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I’m voting for BC or P. I am ready to go down in flames but will not vote for a RINO or RINO lite, this time or ever again, just to get someone with an “R” in front of their name in office.
What have you got if you compromise on larger principles???

As for illegals enforce the law!


32 posted on 09/13/2011 5:05:18 AM PDT by Leep
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

He’s still a Dem and a Dem by any other name is still a Dem!


33 posted on 09/13/2011 5:07:43 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: normy
I do not agree with you. Palin and Bachmann are terrific and very smart. Either would make an excellent President. So would Herman Cain. I can't decide which I like best.

The so-called "Liberals" (newspeak, of course) are horrified at the thought of any one of these in the White House--because they are horrified at truth and they are horrified at anything that threatens their nefarious agenda. All three do.

34 posted on 09/13/2011 5:07:53 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("That is the great eternal question: Are 'Liberals' evil or stupid?" ~Ann Coulter)
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To: normy

Perry had it wrong when he agreed to reward illegal aliens. Maybe he can’t deport, but he sure as hell doesn’t have to reward them.


35 posted on 09/13/2011 5:08:06 AM PDT by Blackandproud
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To: Recon Dad
There was also the trans-Texas corridor.
36 posted on 09/13/2011 5:11:09 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: indylindy

If a kid from another state goes to three years of high school in Texas, then it is apples to apples. This are clearly assimilated people going to school, and pursuing a career and citizenship.

I don’t agree with the policy entirely, but the attacks are false comparing to the the leftists Dream acts and amnesty.


37 posted on 09/13/2011 5:13:30 AM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: cripplecreek
"George Bush was a bit more conservative in my opinion."

Maybe. But, if so, what difference did it make?

Bush REFUSED to enforce U.S. immigration laws, INCREASED the national debt, INCREASED entitlements, INCREASED the size, reach, and appetite of the Federal Government.

I have great respect for George W. Bush as a man, a man of honor, and a patriotic American, but his Presidency was a disaster for the United States.

Perry looks to me like just another politician backed by cronyism and a well financed political machine.

That could be useful in kicking the Democrats out of office and saving the U.S.A. from destruction by them, but who's to save the U.S.A. from destruction by the likes of George W. Bush?

We need Bachmann, Cain, or Palin in the White House!

Not another George W. Bush!

38 posted on 09/13/2011 5:16:48 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("That is the great eternal question: Are 'Liberals' evil or stupid?" ~Ann Coulter)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“Well, on that note, we have no candidate.”

My feelings exactly.

The candidates will change some of their non-conservative positions out of naked political cynicism but who will believe a word of it?

I skipped over the “Presidential” line in ‘08 and worked my way down the ballot. Looks like I’ll do it again.


39 posted on 09/13/2011 5:17:27 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Savage Beast
We need Bachmann, Cain, or Palin in the White House!

Agreed.
40 posted on 09/13/2011 5:20:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: GatorGirl
No it is not... Perry said it was a States Rights issue last night and his States Rights affect life in MY State of Mississippi... THAT makes the issue relevant and cohesive to my argument. No sale!

LLS

41 posted on 09/13/2011 5:21:01 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

I just want to know who the idiots in the audience were that cheered to the 30 year old in ICU dying with no health insurance.The DNC chair witch used this as a new dem talking point in saying the tea party is whacked.


42 posted on 09/13/2011 5:21:36 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Cash for clunkers, subsidies - none has worked. The left =one-trick pony on the economy $pend)
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To: Recon Dad

You expressed my sentiments exactly.


43 posted on 09/13/2011 5:22:46 AM PDT by Buddygirl
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44 posted on 09/13/2011 5:26:56 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: bcsco; Liz

Rick has undergone a RINOplasty....


45 posted on 09/13/2011 5:32:41 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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” Perry defended the law, saying it was a states’ rights issue.

““We were clearly sending a message to young people that, regardless of what the sound of their last name is, that we believe in you,”” Perry said.

Hmmm... didn’t Obama say almost verbatim the same thing a month or so ago ?


46 posted on 09/13/2011 5:35:55 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; South40; indylindy; calcowgirl; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; ...

” Perry defended the law, saying it was a states’ rights issue.

““We were clearly sending a message to young people that, regardless of what the sound of their last name is, that we believe in you,”” Perry said.

Hmmm... didn’t Obama say almost verbatim the same thing a month or so ago ?


47 posted on 09/13/2011 5:36:12 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: normy
Funny how Palin still endorsed Perry after the guardisil thing.

Excellent point!

48 posted on 09/13/2011 5:38:04 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

I wish they would call it what it is, “taxpayer-subsidized tuition”. The argument should not be about who has the right to go to college and what their last name is, its about who will pay for their college. Take away for a moment the immigration status issue, There is way too much taxpayer-subsidized tuition. Not everyone needs to go to college. And if college is the path you want to take but you can’t pay for it, then join the military and use the benefits by your honorable service. My best friend is having his kid complete his college in this way. Not by asking the government for money.


49 posted on 09/13/2011 5:39:07 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Liz
Rick has undergone a RINOplasty....

Nah. He may be solid on some things, but immigration? NOT! This goes back a long way...

50 posted on 09/13/2011 5:40:05 AM PDT by bcsco
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