GOP Debate: Rick Perry Booed Over Texas Immigration Law

About the ten white men who don’t want to work—in the nineties, my husband was out of work, he applied for a job cleaning an office building. The man doing the hiring showed him a big pile of applications on his desk, many of them from people in managerial positions who were willing to clean an office building because they were desperate for work. I know people who have been out of work for over a year, it is serious and when the times are bad, all the jobs should go to people who are here legally. Americans need those jobs, even if they may be below the status and pay grade that they have become accustomed.

As far as millions of people leaving, it has taken a long time for them to feel comfortable and entitled, even going so far as to purchase homes with special no down payment loans that you or I could not get. There is a huge enabling system that has been encouraging them behind our backs. We have been lied to over and over again. That, in my book, is betrayal.

It took a long time to roll out the red carpet for the illegals and it is going to take a while to roll up the red carpet and tell them to go home. It is begining to happen, Arizona was first but now other states are joining in. The illegals and all their enablers are in open defiance of the will of the American people. Let’s see how many will leave and send a message that will keep others from coming back.

Unfortunately the ten white men I know are nothing like your husband. They really, really do not WANT TO WORK. If mentioned to them about working at the surrounding stores they say “no they don’t want that kind of work”. But they have no problem robbing the system or relatives. So again this is not they can’t find work they don’t want to work. The entitlement you speak of is engrained in the citizens too. Again, you are talking 11 million people over three decades, are you going to send them back in droves or in prison/camps in droves? The implications of such actions will be worse then allowing them to work to stay. This situation angers every American. The money I pay in taxes a year I could buy a house with and a lot of that money goes to entitlement programs that I witness everyday. So I don’t want you to think that I don’t contribute my share and I do and plus some. But the leaders we have all voted for have allowed this to happen. With our resources and wealth there is no excuse that border has not been sealed. Those same leaders have allowed the entitlements to be abused with illegals and citizens. Now is the time to begin to reverse the damage. We have the opportunity to stop the entitlements and force work for a chance in America. Gathering up families and the elderly by droves is more of a Hitler idea then an American idea. The entitlement programs can begin to be weaned. Start with the illegals and then work up to the abusers. An environment of work ethic will replace an environment of entitlement.

They really, really do not WANT TO WORK. If mentioned to them about working at the surrounding stores they say “no they don’t want that kind of work”. But they have no problem robbing the system or relatives. So again this is not they can’t find work they don’t want to work.

There are some US citizens like that, but you are painting with too broad a brush. Some employers just don't want to hire US citizens:

Video: Law Firm teaches how to avoid hiring Americans

And that is not the only problem. In many cases, employers would rather not hire older Americans. Such employers look at it like this: A younger Indian engineer works for less (or so the employer thinks), will work for no or reduced benefits, and the visa makes that worker easier to fire than a US citizen. I have seen employers make up lies about my qualifications, which were very solid, to avoid hiring me. That didn't stop me from finding employment at another place though.

If an employer assumes that a US citizen will demand a salary that is too high, that may not be true, and the US citizen will be rejected before he is even asked about salary.

Five years ago, you could look for work all over the country, and then make arrangements to sell your house. That is extremely difficult now, unless your house is in a very fortunate area.

No it was a Kolinsky brush to achieve a realist picture of America today. Its everybody’s fault but the lazy American citizens milking the system. When you can identify 10 bummers who rather steal from their neighbors’ pockets then go out and get a job that is a huge problem for America. The entitlement deficits back this up. It used to be shameful to be on welfare, get food stamps now its part of everyday life. I find it more offensive that our own citizens are abusing this then the illegals because they know better. Every citizen in this Country has been given an opportunity to make something of themselves. It appears many have chose for others to do that for them.

The other problem you mention seems to have been solved, you got a job. Making my point those who really want something will find it in time, but there are many others who are very content abusing the system. I just came back from Walmart located 4 minutes from Camden City. The entitlement abuse is rampant. Twentysomethings in a cab, paid for by me, to shop also paid for by me and then probably going to catch a bite at the local fast food chains paid again at my expense. This group was not a bunch of illegals but able body American citizens just not wanting to work. Why should they, probably collecting $2000 a month for sitting home. This is one example out of hundreds that occur everyday at that one store. Its amazing the help wanted signs they walk past, because that job is beneath them. It used to be people would scrub floors to put food on the table, now the scrub they pockets of their neighbors.

I am not convinced you can look at a taxi full of people at Walmart and somehow conclude that you paid for the cab, and the immigration status of its occupants, but I agree that some US citizens should try harder to earn their own money.

Your Have posted in this thread that you want to give illegals drivers licenses, and in fact you seem to agree with GW Bush that they should be on a “path to citizenship.” I assume you know what Perry has said about a “path to citizenship” this year, flipping from his 2006 position which opposed voting rights for illegals.

Welcome to a future with 10s of millions of new Dem (or worse) voters, and total leftist control of all 3 branches of government.

I know quite a bit about Mexico, and speak the language well. Do you know what “la mordida” means? The people there have tolerated corruption that I doubt you can imagine. But if you are familiar with Mexico, why do you want to import voters from there?

You are asking for a bigger government with more of the handouts you claim to be opposed to. But along with that comes not only more government control of the economy, but also loss of freedom though ignoring the Constitution and our traditions.

Perhaps Perry sincerely believes in states’ rights and smaller government, but granting a “path to citizenship” to illegals is a path to the destruction of both.

Importing voters from Mexico will mean a bigger government with more handouts.....more government control of the economy, loss of our freedoms, ignoring the Constitution and American traditions. Granting a “path to citizenship” is a path to the destruction of both.

You got that right.

2009---TEXAS DREAM ACT DEMONSTRATION---not just education.

Conspiring to destroy the USA from within.

COMING TO A SCHOOL NEAR YOU “Raza studies,” which means race studies, is championed by the far left organization National Council of La Raza.....using millions of US tax dollars. The “Raza studies” do not simply teach Latino youth about their heritage, it goes well beyond that.

The textbooks teach Latino youth that they are mistreated by America, training them to become radical anti-American activists.

Textbooks include “The Pedagogy of the Oppressed” and “Occupied America.” Another text "gloats over the difficulties our country is having at enforcing its immigration laws." Benjamin Franklin is vilified as a racist. White people are referred to as “gringos” and “oppressors” of Latino people. “Privilege” is described as related to a person’s ethnicity.

At a TUSD school board meeting on May 10, one upset mother read excerpts from the textbook An Epic Poem: " My land is lost and stolen, My culture has been raped….we have to destroy capitalism…overthrow a government that has committed abuses….to the bloodsuckers, the parasites, the vampires who are the capitalists of the world: The schools are tools of the power structure that blind and sentence our youth to a life of confusion, and hypocrisy, one that preaches assimilation and practices institutional racism."

With the amount of taxes I pay, I can conclude that a penny of that amount went to that cab ride, so I did pay. And I conclude that the occupants were American citizens, that is why God blessed us with sight.

I have posted a path to American society not citizenship. Don’t think you need to be a US citizen to get a driver’s license. You seem to know all so I am sure you will correct me. Listen this is a 30 year old problem that goes way beyond Bush or Perry, but unfortunately, they are forced to clean up the mess due to the impact on their State. You have not given any plan on what to do with illegals already here? Don’t know why that question is being ignored, unless you are one of those people who is in favor of camps?

I live in NJ you want to talk about corruption? I didn’t have to cross the border or learn the Mexican language to discover its tolerance. Are you sure your not a lib and only read what you want to read? I have stated that privileges should be given to illegals on a point system. Points would be received for working and not using public assistance. The American people need to realize the Government failed us and continues to fail us by letting the problem exist and continue. I am much more scared of our leaders who have sworn to uphold the Constitution destroying it then the illegals. Obama is worried about a bridge what about a border?

With the amount of taxes I pay, I can conclude that a penny of that amount went to that cab ride, so I did pay.

I don't know if Uncle Same or NJ subsidizes cabs, I wouldn't be surprised, but unless the government always gives out free cab rides, I don't know how you can tell where the kids' money came from by looking. If you are saying that there are some loafers that get government money for all kinds of things, and you are paying for it, then I agree.

And I conclude that the occupants were American citizens, that is why God blessed us with sight.

You conclude? Because they "looked" like US citizens?

You have not given any plan on what to do with illegals already here?

Enforcing the law would be a good start. Bush and Obama have not only not enforced the law; they showed a contempt for the law. I would make e-verify mandatory and punish those businesses who intentionally hire illegals. The National Guard would be on the border in strength.

Until we have tried to do something about illegal immigration, it is foolish and cowardly not to try. What would you do at Bastogne in 1944? Surrender to the Germans or say "Nuts!" and try to defend?

I have stated that privileges should be given to illegals on a point system. Points would be received for working and not using public assistance.

So are you in favor of a "path to citizenship" or not?

I am much more scared of our leaders who have sworn to uphold the Constitution destroying it then the illegals.

Granting voting rights to the illegals is a good way to make sure our leaders are much worse that they are now. My neighbor is Hispanic and voted against Obama, but even with a full blown amnesty candidate, most of them still would not vote for the GOP. You can theorize, but I would guess that most of them wanted "Obama money."

I can tell you this much in NJ, transportation vouchers are given and used for cabs. Have you ever been in Camden City , Dingy? Well I have more often then I like to be and these cabs are lined up the MLK Blvd. to transport those on the system. We have public busses but thats not god enough, they want a private ride. As far as the occupants of the cab lets try this again. They were not Hispanic and they spoke English pretty clearly except for the occasional fudge word that will spilled out of the cab. So I would conclude that were US citizens.

E-verify is mandatory is some states, however, it is inaccurate in 54% of the cases. Not good. You keep speaking of making Government smaller. Under your plan it would cost hundreds of millions in legal fees for the taxpayers and business owners in these flawed cases. What to do with the illegals when they are caught, again taxpayers dollars to jail them, deport them or legally defend them. This problem will be so big Government will need to grow to handle the problem. The farming and agriculture sector of our Country will take a big hit and need Government assistance again costing taxpayers money. Bottom line E-verify is not working.

I can see you are a great exaggerator Mr. Dingy, don’t think this situation is in any way comparable to Bastogne. America created the problem for not fixing the lock on the door for 30 years.

Not a path to citizenship but to American society. Citizenship is something to be treasured not tramped on. What I am speaking about is for them to take steps to transition in to our society rather then be in hiding. They must speak English, know our history and laws, honor a work ethic, sign a personal responsibility promise to ensure insurance coverage. Points would be given to allow them to work up to privileges such as driving. Voting is not a privilege, it is a Constitutional right so this would not apply to them. As punishment they would not be allowed to apply for US Citizenship for 15 years from the time they register. This is in no way a perfect idea but we need some type of transition.

Again Obama has done much more damage to our Constitution then the 11 million illegals ever could. From what I have seen, the Hispanic community is one of faith, family values and a strong work ethic. I have more faith in them joining the GOP then my libby neighbor changing sides.

E-verify is mandatory is some states, however, it is inaccurate in 54% of the cases.

Let's examine this figure of 54%. E-verify works well to detect mismatches in the data submitted vs. the server data, but it does not always detect the kind of fraud in which uses counterfeit, stolen, or borrowed identity documents. That would be beyond what it can do at present.

As it is today, e-verify has no photo ID component, which would give it some anti-fraud capability. The question is whether we want to make the effort to add it.

You keep speaking of making Government smaller. Under your plan it would cost hundreds of millions in legal fees for the taxpayers and business owners in these flawed cases.

I don't know how you reach that conclusion. If my social security number has a problem, I want to know about it. I don't want anybody using my identity mistakenly or for fraud. However, if there are cases in which a legal worker cannot prove he is legal, I would not make e-verify mandatory until they fixed the problem.

Your solution is to make it legal for them to work here, with privileges to be determined. Entitlements would be a huge isssue, and I remain convinced that they would take jobs from US citizens. I have worked in the fields, and in a crew pouring and finishing cement in the hot sun. Before going to the step of issuing work visas, I think we should at least try to reduce the numbers significantly.

What to do with the illegals when they are caught, again taxpayers dollars to jail them, deport them or legally defend them.

I don't want illegal workers having a job here. Employers should make a case for guest workers, hire legal workers, or, if they can't afford to do that, move overseas. Some companies, especially such entities as construction contractors, will go underground. That's why we need to allow states to enforce immigration laws. I agree with you that we will not see an Eisenhower style mass deportation, but I think the number of illegal aliens here could be reduced via attrition, workplace enforcement, expired visa enforcement, local enforcement, stopping entitlements and Dream Acts.

I can see you are a great exaggerator Mr. Dingy, don’t think this situation is in any way comparable to Bastogne.

I think it has the potential to be worse. If we had lost at Bastogne, we would still have won the war, and America itself would not have been threatened.

However, if we had all those new voters voting for Obama clones or worse in the future, I believe that really would be the end. If I understand you, you would not push for granting them voting rights. However, I believe that keeping them from voting would be more difficult than you think:

1) Once you have a bunch of potential leftist voters here, working but not voting, that is more irresistible to Dems and RINOs than a a one trillion unspent surplus. Rogue judges and POTUSes would also like them to vote, and they have been known to try to usurp the power of congress.

2) Once you start the "immigration reform" ball rolling in congress, who knows what you will get. I think it's very likely that only amnesty would be able to get through. The best I could hope for would be that congress does nothing. That's why I want to try something we have never done before: Enforce immigration laws in good faith.

3) A giant guest worker program for illegals encourages more illegal immigration.

Again Obama has done much more damage to our Constitution then the 11 million illegals ever could.

I think that illegal immigrants have some good qualities as individuals, but letting them vote would be disastrous. If you had a kindly gardener who would let a burglar into your house, would you trust him with a house key? Or would you say, "That burglar did more evil to my family than that gardner even could?"

You saw how Hispanics voted for Obama, and that includes some conservatives and moderates who don't like him any more than we do. I am afraid that 3rd world wave of voters would make leftists electorally invincible.

Response to E-verify is simply failure. Should have had all detection finders upon creation. Inefficiency on Government’s part again.

Again Mr. Dingy, you did not read my posting. No entitlements would be granted. According to this transition they would have to be individually responsible for food, clothing, shelter, health insurance. They are not taking away jobs from Americans they are taking the jobs Americans DON’T WANT. If they have to work two farming jobs or 20 hours a day in order to make these transition requirements, they will, unlike some citizens here. It sounds more like you have a distain for this group of people which is really disturbing. We are a humane society not a regime. You keep mentioning enforce this and enforce that, it cost money and needs more people, resulting in bigger Government.

Your Bastogne analogy is not comparable to this situation, I’m sorry if that is the best you got. As far as voting rights they are not citizens, they don’t vote. This why I think it is important that Republicans like Perry are getting their voices out there on this topic. Perry is not afraid to say what needs to be done. The illegals are here and they are not going back through a mass deportation so we need to deal with the problem. The small investment now will give big returns in the future. The core of the illegals are faith, family, hard working people, which goes against the heart of the libby party. Obama didn’t get in because of Hispanic voters he got in because of Independent whit e voters. Obama has dropped 12% in the Hispanic poll numbers. They seem to understand his danger more then the black and white communities.

The gardner doesn’t need a key the homeowner always leaves the door unlocked. Who would be at fault if a home repeatedly gets robbed because the doors and windows are left unlocked? I would bet your insurance company would blame you after the second time.

Again Mr. Dingy, you did not read my posting. No entitlements would be granted.

I did read your post, but you did not read mine. My post does not assume that you could pass your plan intact. I understand that you claim no entitlements in your plan, but I said that the reality of "immigration reform" is that your plan would not stand. Eventually, even in the unlikely event that you were able to pass your plan intact, I think you know that future congresses can change immigration policy, naturalization policy, etc., and administrations have ignore parts of laws they didn't like. To avoid these problems you would need to pass it as a Constitutional amendment.

Just look at the 1986 "immigration reform." The crooks in charge eagerly implemented the part that gave legal status to illegals, but the enforcement part? Never got around to it. How are you going to guarantee that neither mischief like this, nor congressional and/or judicial dismantling of your program, would come to pass?

It sounds more like you have a distain for this group of people which is really disturbing.

There you go with lib talking points. You did not read my post which said that they have good qualities as individuals, but they have voted to elect really despicable candidates. You really don't know what you are talking about WRT Latin America. I have been there. If you spoke the language, you could ask them how their government works.

They are not taking away jobs from Americans they are taking the jobs Americans DON’T WANT. If they have to work two farming jobs or 20 hours a day in order to make these transition requirements, they will, unlike some citizens here.

We are just going to have to disagree about this. There are some jobs that might not find enough Americans to do, for example, if you have a mortgage and a family in NJ, it might be difficult to move to Idaho to work on a farm. But are you going to tell illegals that they must work on a farm, even if they have worked in construction (when work was available) for 30 years? News flash: Adding a huge number of workers into the pool decreases the demand for workers.

I think it is almost certain that any plan like yours that goes into the "immigration reform" door will come out with work visas which allow them to work pretty much where they want, although there might be some restrictions to pander to unions.

You paint a picture of lazy Americans who don't want to work. If you are correct, both the Dems and GOP are foolish when they keep chanting "Jobs jobs jobs!" Maybe a 3rd party with the slogan "You don't need a job" will win the next election.

As far as voting rights they are not citizens, they don’t vote.

Yes, I know that is what you said, but assuming your "no voting rights" goes into the "immigration reform" door, what comes out?

The core of the illegals are faith, family, hard working people, which goes against the heart of the libby party. Obama didn’t get in because of Hispanic voters he got in because of Independent white voters.

Did you notice the demographic trends?

Obama has dropped 12% in the Hispanic poll numbers. They seem to understand his danger more then the black and white communities.

That trend is due to the economic disaster Obama owns, but I am not sure it includes illegals. Yes, I know you said they would never vote, and I say I'm sure you believe that, but I am not convinced. And remember, if they are granted voting rights, it's not just for one election in which the Dems are running the current buffoon.

No, we have not left the "voting rights" door open since 1986, by giving the key to the gardener. Since then, Dems have received a lot of votes from the amnesty and chain migration that followed it.

If you are right about everything, we will all live happily ever after, but I think you are wrong.

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