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Stop Torturing Us; Let's Come Home
Townhall.com ^ | May 15, 2011 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 05/15/2011 8:43:56 AM PDT by Kaslin

Ron Paul on the elimination of bin Laden:

Last week marked an important milestone in the war on terrorism for our country. Osama bin Laden applauded the 9/11 attacks. Such deliberate killing of innocent lives deserved retaliation. It is good that bin Laden is dead and justice is served. The way in which he was finally captured and killed shows that targeted retribution is far superior to wars of aggression and nation-building. In 2001 I supported giving the president the authority to pursue those responsible for the vicious 9/11 attacks. However, misusing that authority to pursue nation-building and remaking the Middle East was cynical and dangerous, as the past ten years have proven.

It is tragic that it took ten years, trillions of dollars, tens of thousands of American casualties and many thousands of innocent lives to achieve our mission of killing one evil person. A narrow, targeted mission under these circumstances was far superior to initiating wars against countries not involved in the 9/11 attacks, and that is all we should have done. This was the reason I emphasized at the time the principle of Marque and Reprisal, permitted to us by the US Constitution for difficult missions such as we faced. I am convinced that this approach would have achieved our goal much sooner and much cheaper.

The elimination of Osama bin Laden should now prompt us to declare victory and bring our troops home from Afghanistan and Iraq. Al Qaeda was never in Iraq and we were supposedly in Afghanistan to get Osama bin Laden. With bin Laden gone, there is no reason for our presence in the region – unless indeed it was all about oil, nation-building, and remaking the Middle East and Central Asia.

Hopefully bin Laden does not get the last laugh. He claimed the 9/11 attacks were designed to get the US to spread its military dangerously and excessively throughout the Middle East, bankrupting us through excessive military spending as he did the Soviets, and to cause political dissention within the United States. Some 70 percent of Americans now believe we should leave Afghanistan yet both parties seem determined to stay. The best thing we could do right now is prove bin Laden a false prophet by coming home and ending this madness on a high note.

Tragically, one result may be the acceptance of torture as a legitimate tool for pursuing our foreign policy. A free society, calling itself a republic, grounded in the rule of law, should never succumb to such evil.

At the very least we should all be able to agree that foreign aid to Pakistan needs to end immediately. The idea that bin Laden was safely protected for ten years in Pakistan, either willfully or through incompetence, should make us question the wisdom of robbing American citizens to support any government around the world with foreign aid. All foreign aid and intervention needs to end.

Our failed foreign policy is reflected in our bizarre relationship with Pakistan. We bomb them with drones, causing hundreds of civilian casualties, we give them billions of dollars in foreign aid for the privilege to do so, all while they protect America's enemy number one for a decade.

It is time to consider a sensible non-interventionist foreign policy as advised by our Founders and authorized by our Constitution. We would all be better off for it.






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1 posted on 05/15/2011 8:43:59 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Ron Paul says killing Osama bin Laden ‘absolutely not necessary’

RP appears to be all over the map on this topic.

2 posted on 05/15/2011 8:50:28 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Kaslin

Our Founders sent the Marines to Tripoli.


3 posted on 05/15/2011 8:51:28 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

Hey Ron Paul STFU. No one cares what you think.


4 posted on 05/15/2011 8:53:33 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: Kaslin
Who says that Bin Laden was killed and NOT a look alike?..
The Obama administration?.. or minions of it?..

The Obama administration lies.. ALL evidence has been deep sixed..
Its almost like the Vince Foster affair of the clintoons..
Evidence disappeared or vanished.. nobody questions it..
Or almost nobody.. I do!..

What would have been lost by knowledge of a/the look alike?..
Answer: Obama becoming the reincarnated Jimmah Carter with the helicopter thing..

5 posted on 05/15/2011 8:54:19 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Kaslin

I never thought I would agree with RP but seriously, we are broke and we need to take a good look at how we are spending our foreign aide.


6 posted on 05/15/2011 8:54:23 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: Kaslin

This sort of statement is problematic because it’s almost right. Nation-building is a disaster almost every time it’s tried, and we won’t really force a Pax Americana by being in the Middle East. The idea was to punish/kill the offenders, the most important part of the exercise being that we showed the savages that we have the stones to pull the trigger. The problem is that the invasion/occupation of Iraq (and Afghanistan) HAS made us safer. We picked that battlefield, and it drew in thousands of Islamic nutjobs, who our military proceeded to kill. That worked quite well. We didn’t sell the invasion on those terms, and President Bush didn’t understand the need to. His mistake, and it was a big one. Maybe we can now pull back from the region like Ron Paul wants, but being there has served a great purpose. My only problem is that we were too soft on them. General Sherman showed the way 150 years ago.


7 posted on 05/15/2011 8:58:00 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: hosepipe
ALSO; no second term and a sixty vote majority in the senate for the republicans.. in 2012.. and a larger lead in the House.. like that..
Thats what a "Carter-like" Bin Laden fiasco would have brought..
8 posted on 05/15/2011 8:59:30 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Op-ed from TownPaul. Thanks Kaslin.


9 posted on 05/15/2011 9:03:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Kaslin
UBL knew Afghanistan far better than we did. His goal was to draw America into a ground invasion of Afghanistan while he hid in and directed the fight from Pakistan.

All countries have an underlying theme, a national philosophy that creates a unique identity. For America it might be progress and liberty. For Afghanistan its anarchy, that's what the Pahktuns prefer, no national central government. Rule by tribes, nothing more, and paranoia of anyone outside the tribe.

We will never change that. We are walking ATM's. They know we will be gone someday and they are right.

10 posted on 05/15/2011 9:04:23 AM PDT by gandalftb (Fighting jihadists is like fighting an earthquake, harden yourselves.)
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To: netmilsmom
"I never thought I would agree with RP but seriously, we are broke and we need to take a good look at how we are spending our foreign aide. "

Old Ron Paul will never reach the promised land but his prophetic voice needs to be heard on useless wars and useless money.

11 posted on 05/15/2011 9:55:21 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: gandalftb

UBL did not even want to be in Afghanistan. He was kicked out of Sudan (after the Sudanese Govt tried repeatedly to hand UBL to Clinton but was refused) and the only country that would accept him, other than Iraq, was Afghanistan. The idea that he wanted to lure us there so we would go broke is silly. His goal was to kill enough of us here at home that we would do a ‘Somalia’ and withdraw from the Middle East.


12 posted on 05/15/2011 10:00:50 AM PDT by DHerion
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To: Kaslin

R-U-N Paul is the GOP’s Dennis Kookoocinich. He should be treated as the joke he is.


13 posted on 05/15/2011 12:17:08 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad

You said it


14 posted on 05/15/2011 12:23:19 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: netmilsmom

Yeah, but that is the only place where he is right


15 posted on 05/15/2011 12:27:21 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: hosepipe
Who says that Bin Laden was killed and NOT a look alike?

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16 posted on 05/15/2011 3:25:37 PM PDT by Salman
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To: cdcdawg

what you said, especially about Sherman


17 posted on 05/15/2011 4:52:14 PM PDT by dervish (One person's Libyan al Qaeda terrorist is another person's Libyan freedom fighter)
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To: Kaslin

True.


18 posted on 05/15/2011 6:18:57 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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