Posted on 04/24/2011 11:26:09 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
Gov. Christie said last week that he had mulled defying a possible order from New Jersey's Supreme Court to restore funding to schools.
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If Christie ignores the ruling, scholars said, he could be ruled in contempt of court and personally fined, he could be impeached for violating his oath of office, or he could trigger a constitutional crisis and the statewide closing of schools.
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The current case had its origins nearly 40 years ago. The nonprofit Education Law Center sued the state for more money for poor schools, saying equitable funding was a right under the state constitution because of a provision, approved by voters in 1875, mandating a "thorough and efficient" education.
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I hear ya.
... and stand by my statement. There’s a thin veneer of civility. Remember Sarajevo?
What we basically have here in NJ is insanity, which will bring about the "anarchy." For years, the notorious Abbott decision has held the mostly white, prosperous suburbs of NJ hostage to mostly black, urban school districts. Not only to residents in the prosperous areas have to fund their own schools, union pension, police, and fire departments through unbelievably high property taxes (the highest in the nation), they also have to pay for the urban, corrupt hell holes. Billions upon billions have disappeared into the hands of black administrators and corrupt politicians.
The NJ courts actually believes it is a super-branch of government that can actually dictate budgets and what people pay in taxes. The judges are not elected.
This tyranny has gone on in NJ for many years. Either it ends soon, or citizens may opt for tax revolt. That would be real anarchy.
What we basically have here in NJ is insanity, which will bring about the "anarchy." For years, the notorious Abbott decision has held the mostly white, prosperous suburbs of NJ hostage to mostly black, urban school districts. Not only to residents in the prosperous areas have to fund their own schools, union pension, police, and fire departments through unbelievably high property taxes (the highest in the nation), they also have to pay for the urban, corrupt hell holes. Billions upon billions have disappeared into the hands of black administrators and corrupt politicians.
The NJ courts actually believes it is a super-branch of government that can actually dictate budgets and what people pay in taxes. The judges are not elected.
This tyranny has gone on in NJ for many years. Either it ends soon, or citizens may opt for tax revolt. That would be real anarchy.
There have been dire predictions of doom for the future...well that’s something like what you said on your ‘page’, and I’m assuming from your statements that you didn’t buy it then.
So, why are you buying it now? And what about Sarajevo?
I’m not ‘buying’ anything. I said “let’s hope.”
Sarajevo was merely an example of the breakdown of the thin veneer of civility. Once the welfare debit cards don’t work, there will be some further breakdown, far beyond what we’re observing today. Do you doubt that? I remember the cities burning in the 60’s.
I hold out hope, but I choose to observe as well.
Once the dollar is no longer the international reserve currency the SHTF - assuredly.
But the Muslim fools who caused 9/11 expected the U.S.A. to crumble. We did not oblige them by doing so.
Everyone seems to underate us. Europeans never expected the U.S. to make it after the Civil War, but we fought a war with Spain, then with China, and came out stronger than ever.
After the Depression we were hit with a debilitating environmental catastrophe causing a “dust bowl” in the Midwest. This was followed by very high taxes and WWII. Still, we came out stronger.
As you probably guess, I don’t see this as necessarily a bad situation but an opportunity.
We can chuck the United Nations off our shores, for starters, and the IMF after them. Hey, they won’t need our money anymore, now will they?
I do not support isolationism, but I know this nation can be energy independent.
I know we can feed ourselves and export any leftovers.
I know we have technological know-how. Hell, that’s why the Chinese are always stealing ideas from us!
Are there people who will riot? Sure, but they riot after football and basketball games. So what!
Right now we need some time to get ourselves reorganized along Constitutional constructs.
We must bring our military home from policing the rest of the world. I’m sure you’ve noticed the rest of the world really doesn’t appreciate our efforts.
Screw ‘em.
We can launch the Third Industrial Revolution without the rest of the world. Then laugh hysterically watching them all try to catch up from their failed experiment in the socialist utopia known as ‘Globalism’.
This is a basic problem with “democracy” the democrats get into power and contract out not only all the money at the time they spend all the money of future generations!
How are we suppose to fight an enemy that we thought we defeated? How are we suppose to defend ourselves from the burdensome demands of the dead?
The solution is to take away the power, by constitutional amendment, of their ability to spend future money. A balanced budget amendment to make sure they don’t use future money, and eliminate things like pensions (replace with 401K) in order to stop them from covertly indulging in creating future obligations.
“Ignoring courts is anarchy.”
Yes. So is secession.
Well, you may be right. But if following the courts is tyranny ..... then what?
Turn those poorest performing districts over to the NJ State Guard and make them military boot camps. That would solve the lack of discipline which make those schools poor performers.
““Ignoring courts is anarchy.”
Yes. So is secession.”
While it is true there is a certain theoretical anarchy between the nations of the world.
The act and process of Secession itself is no more anarchy then republican democracy. After all if a people can vote to tax each other then surely they can draw lines around that which they own and break the bonds between them as to prohibit the crossing of such lines.
Anarchy imply that no man respects any borders, nor any other form of property rights. That is as clearly not the case(by in large) in the world between nations as it is not the case in the relationship between democracy and individual men.
“Ignoring courts is anarchy.”
My answer to you:
No, it is not.
Courts issue _opinions_.
There is a reason they are called that. Courts are not intended to have the power of “enforcement” except in those cases in which the legislature has specifically authorized that power to them.
It is up to the _executive_ branch of [federal & state] government to “enforce” the opinions of the courts (except where noted above). That is WHY they are “executive” in nature.
When a court gets so “out of line” as to issue “orders” that it has no business issuing — and no power to enforce (since such powers have not been granted to it by the legislature) — I believe such orders can and should be “ignored” by the executive and legislative branch, and by the people.
We have a federal Constitution and state Constitutions that are intended to define and to LIMIT the powers of government vis-a-vis the powers and rights of the people.
When courts act as if there were no limits upon _them_, it is right, justified and proper to remind them of such limitations. Simply ignoring them is one way of doing so.
I hope Christie gets REALLY confrontational on this. It’s a “step” towards the restoration of freedom in this country that MUST be taken, if such freedoms are to indeed BE restored.
Just sayin’....
““Ignoring courts is anarchy.”
“...,The word “anarchy” is often used by non-anarchists as a pejorative term, intended to connote a lack of control and a negatively chaotic environment. However, anarchists still argue that anarchy does not imply nihilism, anomie, or the total absence of rules, but rather an anti-statist society that is based on the spontaneous order of free individuals in autonomous communities...,” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy
I tend towards nihilism of the sort described in Alexander’s 1860’s tsarist Russia. I fear we are seeing a repeat of the year 1936 today. Chaos is on the horizon.
Judicial review predated the adoption of the Constitution. It was the only way an unconstitutional law could be voided and was one of the reasons the Supreme Court was created.
Hamilton argued cases in the NY courts (Rutgers v. Waddington) and the USSC ( Hylton v. the United States) both of which hinged on judicial review.
Article III, Section 2 authorizes such review no matter what the Jeffersonians thought or wished.
Just add $1 to each school’s budget. Then let them sue again. Rinse and repeat.good idea
Just add $1 to each school’s budget. Then let them sue again. Rinse and repeat.good idea
It's not just NJ! The entitlement affliction is spread across all 50 states, since approx 53% of everyone in the U.S. is on some form of federal gubmint assistance (welfare, social security, low-income, medicare/medicaid, food stamps, etc., etc., ) and that does not include the entitlement mentality in the states. I will agree however that it is worst in the upper NE states, upper mid-central states (MI, OH, IN, ILL, WI, MN, IA), and the Pacific states.
I grew up in WI, and now live in MN, but I travel to WI every weekend to help my sister care for my 94 yr old and his farm in the country. Look at what is happening in WI when Gov Scott Walker simply wants to reign in the union cadillac pension retirement & health plans and have them pay an add'l few more percent for their cadillac coverages. Look at the massive demonstrations in WI, by the teacher unions & public sector unions, that would rather bankrupt the state of WI rather than lose their collective bargaining & paying more toward their own cadillac retirement & health benefits.
It is a nationwide sickness that will end only when our country by necessity goes through another Am Rev II or Civil War II, in order for taxpayers & conservative to take our country back from the RAT bastard socialist commie pigs.
“The solution is to take away the power, by constitutional amendment, of their ability to spend future money. A balanced budget amendment to make sure they don’t use future money, and eliminate things like pensions (replace with 401K) in order to stop them from covertly indulging in creating future obligations.”
I too think congress should be prohibited from incurring debt on the account of the united States except for military expenditures in time of war(as declared for a finite period of time by congress).
I of course take a very hard line when it comes to the separation of State and federal Government. There should be no mention of State Governments in the Federal Constitution nor a necessary presumption of absolute supremacy in all areas.
If the people created both governments then the people created them separately and for separate proposes, not one subjugated to the other. They are both the servants of their people and their people alone not each other.
On the other hand if the States created the Federal Government either as Governments or in as James Mansion put it “in their highest sovereign capacity”(Convention of the people). Then the States are still and will always be superior sovereign capacity to the Federal Government, capable of withdrawing consent to be governed with same capacity.
By my understanding of natural rights the truth must be is far closer to Mansion’s vision then Hamilton’s. After all a man cannot in any legitimate standing vote away the rights of his negbors in a new union. All initial parties must consent to the union, in the case of the Federal constitution that was the 13 original states and every subsequent state.
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