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[NJ Gov] Christie v. Court: Is threat for real?
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 4/24/2011 | Matt Katz

Posted on 04/24/2011 11:26:09 AM PDT by PapaBear3625

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To: SatinDoll
This is why lesser nations end-up with dictators.

We’re not Argentina.

So what is your solution? If not defying over-reaching state or federal courts, the next solution is to throw out the socialist bastards altogether.

We already have a defacto commie pig dictatorship under 0dumbo and the demoRATs. DemoRATs & 0dumbo simply pick & choose which laws he will enforce (like announcing the Fed gubmint will no longer enforce DOMA), or ignores court rulings altogether (the FL federal judge ruling against implementation or 0dumb0 Care) or ignoring the LA fed judge that ruled that 0dumb0 had to reinstate off shore drilling, etc.

The time for a new Am Revolution or CW II is long overdue.

61 posted on 04/24/2011 9:42:29 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: arrogantsob

What is the definition of Judicial Review? To give advice as to constitutionality? Or judicial fiat, totally beyond debate or questioning, as we have now, that the Constitution says whatever the Court wants it to say, in whatever detail of specificity (emanating from a penumbra of the Bill of Rights, no doubt) simply because 5 justices say so—the text of the law be d*mned?

Judicial Review defined as a final decision is NOT in the Constitution, in as much as Article III, Section 2 provides the caveat of, “with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.” which makes Congress supreme in regulating the courts and their cases, not unelected justices.

Hamilton in his day was not exactly recognized as a champion of limited government either....

Jefferson happened to be one of our most important Founding Fathers and to dismiss his opinion on this issue may be very lawyerly—and what they teach in all law schools as absolute gospel (which also happens to make lawyers/judges supreme, not the representatives of the People, huh, how about that)—but its not indisputable fact. Marbury v. Madison established the tradition of unquestionable judicial review....that doesn’t make it Constitutional, morally right, or, what the Founders intended.


62 posted on 04/24/2011 9:55:57 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: rcrngroup

See my post at #47.


63 posted on 04/24/2011 11:05:14 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: PapaBear3625

The present role of the Court is all out of proportion to the role assigned it by the constitution and history. All these jurists want to ape the SCOTUS, but theirs and the Federal high court are very different institutions.


64 posted on 04/24/2011 11:26:11 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Glenn

Ignoring courts that overstep their constitutional authority is mandatory for a functioning society...they seem to think they have executive and legislative authority. The problem is they have gotten away with it for too many years....If they want to be in charge of the budget, let them run for congress, if they think they have executive power let them run for governor...other wise, just impeach them...


65 posted on 04/24/2011 11:34:38 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: TennesseeGirl

Exactly


66 posted on 04/25/2011 12:53:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (The only thing higher than Obama's chin, is his ass facing West five times a day.)
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To: RockinRight

Ohhhh, so it’s the fault of the single-mothers and their kids, eh?

That’s exactly what the teachers’ unions say and (separately) what the stupid holy rollers say, repeatedly.

Gee, I wonder if this is a rather large chink in the armor...sarc


67 posted on 04/25/2011 6:02:15 AM PDT by hyperconservative (Palin 2012 -a fantastic perfect storm)
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To: SkyPilot

ditto and then some

trillions of taxpayer dollars have disappeared from almost all the black-majority cities; money that was intended for children’s education was stolen by stupid-a$$ school admins., stupid-a$$ politicians and stupid-a$$ preachers.

Gov. Christie ought to tell the NJ court to STFU, but he probably can’t word it that way. Buck the court, Governor! But first, make sure the kids and their mothers are protected from union thugs in blue uniforms and the street gangs and the unionized public works dept.


68 posted on 04/25/2011 6:18:38 AM PDT by hyperconservative (Palin 2012 -a fantastic perfect storm)
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To: PapaBear3625

Depends on what is considered an “adequate” education. Time to go back to the 3R’s, civics, phys ed. Maybe some arts & crafts.

Around 20% of students are classified as “special ed”. It is no longer only those with birth defects.

Lawyers & judges (and the parents who enable them) have ruined the inner workings of the system, from hamstringing discipline to creating services that take away resources from the many to placate the few.


69 posted on 04/25/2011 6:34:15 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: PapaBear3625

Or Christie could follow the court order, taking money budgeted for the state’s courts to fund the schools. Wouldn’t put it past him.


70 posted on 04/25/2011 6:39:23 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: P.O.E.
Depends on what is considered an “adequate” education. Time to go back to the 3R’s, civics, phys ed. Maybe some arts & crafts.

I agree.

Moreover, there is no part of the Constitution that authorizes the federal Dept of Education. I would abolish it. Any aid to schools from the federal government would come from the Dept of Defense, and would be paid for each student that is inspected and deemed fit for military service (with no obligation on the student's part to actually serve, just being fit would give the school district the money).

At the college level, limit federal education aid to ROTC scholarships and GI Bill allowances for vets.

71 posted on 04/25/2011 6:42:07 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: hyperconservative

Not exactly and not individually, but there is a prevailing attitude among mostly urban kids (plenty of suburbanites too but more prevailing in cities) that places too little emphasis on education, and it seems to be more than a coincidnece that many come from fatherless homes.

Bottom line, the kids just don’t give a sh*t about learning because their parents either don’t care themselves, or are struggling so hard to get by that they don’t take the time to prepare their kids for school.

Instead, they dump them off and expect the teachers to handle it.

I have friends who are teachers that can attest to this very fact. One taught in Cleveland City schools after teaching in a private school for 3 years.

The private school paid her less, but the kids got far better grades on more or less the same curriculum taught than in Cleveland.

The difference? The kids in Cleveland either didn’t care, or just weren’t that bright. She says that once she meets the parents, she knows whats was wrong with the kid...and...yes...most of the time, there was just a mother and no father around.

My parents divorced when I was 12 but my father stayed in our lives. I understand sometimes crap happens, I’m not trashing single moms, I know some great ones. Single dads too. However, single motherhood is actually glorified in many urban settings, and boys are not taught to be MEN and FATHERS, rather, to just bang as many girls as they can and leave them as soon as they say “I’m pregnant...”


72 posted on 04/25/2011 6:44:12 AM PDT by RockinRight (Maybe Trump's a stalking horse for Palin...)
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To: joma89

We have “educational redistribution” in VA, too. They tax the wealthier parts of the state to send money to the poorer counties for their schools.

There is also a federal mandate (unfunded) to provide an “appropriate” education to each and every student. So, regardless of how challenged a child may be, the local public school has to pay to educate him/her.

In one local case, a child was so specially handicapped, there was no other student with her particular needs. That meant having to staff up a program specifically for her. Instead, the school district found it more economically feasible to send her to a special school out of state at @ $40K/year. That was maybe 15 years ago, I don’t know what the tuition would be today.


73 posted on 04/25/2011 6:52:46 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: PapaBear3625
saying equitable funding was a right under the state constitution because of a provision, approved by voters in 1875, mandating a "thorough and efficient" education.

That means he can pass a school choice bill in NJ. It's the only way kids can get a "thorough and efficient" education.

74 posted on 04/25/2011 7:47:44 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: RockinRight

Well, what are they being taught? How to be good little slaves? good little soldier-boys? good little butt-kissers?

Can’t anyone examine and expose the curricula? Investigate the so-called “teachers”? Investigate the rest of the key-players?
Heck no, why do that when it’s so easy to blame it all on the women?

If that’s what you and your kind want to do in the year 2011, then bring it on, already. Whatcha waitin’ on?


75 posted on 04/25/2011 8:49:53 AM PDT by hyperconservative (Palin 2012 -a fantastic perfect storm)
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To: hyperconservative

“Blaming women?”

What the hell are you talking about? I’m blaming THE ENTIRE CULTURE.


76 posted on 04/25/2011 9:11:03 AM PDT by RockinRight (Maybe Trump's a stalking horse for Palin...)
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To: SatinDoll

Good post!


77 posted on 04/25/2011 9:33:34 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: hyperconservative

I think you’re sadly mistaken as to what “my kind” actually is.


78 posted on 04/25/2011 9:39:42 AM PDT by RockinRight (Maybe Trump's a stalking horse for Palin...)
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To: TennesseeGirl
“However, the MSM and the libs are just fine with the Obama administration ignoring the DOMA.”

And the US Constitution!

Could someone with more time and smarts than I conjure up a list of his violations?

79 posted on 04/25/2011 10:49:57 AM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (I have a liberal arts degree, do you want fries with that?)
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To: AnalogReigns
Judicial review is the means of determining which laws are consistent with the Constitution. It is the whole basis of making the constitution our government's framework.

The “Exceptions Clause” has never been interpreted by Congress as giving it the power to ignore the Court. I am not sure why that is since it appears to me to do that.

Hamilton was the greatest of the Founders other than Washington (who was his lifelong supporter and friend). The contribution he made to the creation and founding of this nation was overwhelming. And the huge government he supported was TINY.

Jefferson was a top flight rhetorician and one of the most hypocritical and deceitful politicians we ever had. He had nothing to do with writing the constitution (Thank God) and spent most of the Revolutionary war wining and dining European babes. The more I learn about the real Jefferson they less I respect him. Just another Democrat.

80 posted on 04/25/2011 11:32:39 AM PDT by arrogantsob
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