Posted on 05/10/2010 7:18:43 PM PDT by pissant
Chris Nelson, who's retiring after two terms as South Dakota's secretary of state to challenge Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-S.D.), gets asked by Kevin Woster whether he believes President Obama is a citizen of the United States. Nelson doesn't know.
[M]eeting the constitutional qualifications to be President is a very important issue. If President Obama isn’t constitutionally qualified, it would be the biggest scam ever perpetuated on the American people. MANY people contacted me as Secretary of State prior to and after the election asking how Obama could be on our ballot given this controversy. Absent a court finding that he isn’t a natural born citizen, we have to take the certification from the National Democratic Convention at face value.
Of course, most people have taken "at face value" Obama's certification of live birth from Hawaii, released by the campaign in 2008, as proof of where he was born. Interestingly, Nelson's less-well-established primary challengers don't take the bait, and blow off the question.
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Of course.
Grandma corked off in timely fashion, didn’t she? Then again, I’ve seen discussions about that on FR questioning the time of her death - that she actually died a number of days before the election rather than the day before. I’ve even seen speculation that she did not die at all and those ashes Obummer dumped into the ocean breeze weren’t hers. No doubt he would have gotten a perverted kick out of pouring the ashes created by burning the contents of grandma’s file cabinet out of the urn in plain view of media photographers wanting to capture such a tender moment for their front page news on election day.
Yes, there are stautes of limitations on fraud of all kinds. They vary from state to state. CA is three years. I think HI is max 6 years.
A prosecution for a class A felony must be commenced within six years after it is committed;
(c) A prosecution for any felony under part IX of chapter 708 must be commenced within five years after it is committed;
(d) A prosecution for any other felony must be commenced within three years after it is committed;
(e) A prosecution for a misdemeanor or parking violation must be commenced within two years after it is committed; and
(f) A prosecution for a petty misdemeanor or a violation other than a parking violation must be commenced within one year after it is committed.
(3) If the period prescribed in subsection (2) has expired, a prosecution may nevertheless be commenced for:
(a) Any offense an element of which is either fraud, deception, as defined in section 708-800, or a breach of fiduciary obligation within three years after discovery of the offense by an aggrieved party or by a person who has a legal duty to represent an aggrieved party and who is oneself not a party to the offense, but in no case shall this provision extend the period of limitation by more than six years from the expiration of the period of limitation prescribed in subsection (2);
(b) Any offense based on misconduct in office by a public officer or employee at any time when the defendant is in public office or employment or within two years thereafter, but in no case shall this provision extend the period of limitation by more than three years from the expiration of the period of limitation prescribed in subsection (2);
An offense is committed either when every element occurs, or, if a legislative purpose to prohibit a continuing course of conduct plainly appears, at the time when the course of conduct or the defendant’s complicity therein is terminated. Time starts to run on the day after the offense is committed.
Subsection (3) seeks to identify situations in which the statute of limitations ought to be tolled. In the cases of fraud, breach of fiduciary obligation, and misconduct in public office, the difficulties of detecting the offense suggest that an extension of the normal time is required. Thus, in the case of fraud and breach of fiduciary obligation, a prosecution may be commenced within one year after discovery, and a prosecution for offenses relating to misconduct in office may be commenced at any time when the defendant is in public office, or within two years thereafter. In both cases, however, the applicable time limitation may not be extended by more than three years.
so far mainly softball questions that allows him to elude a direct answer and thus far my questions have NOT been allowed and some are getting more than one question so my guess is this was all in the fix ahead of time. I am making a copy of the transcript & will post it when the chat is over.
I have contended that the reason obama has continued to stonewall the BC issue is that he gave false information to the issuing authority. That was a misdemeanor of false swearing.
He falsely swore to items which were then accepted as fact and he was issued his certificate of live birth. He then proceeded to use the document to seek the presidency of the United States which then becomes fraud which is a felony.
THAT is premeditated fraud and he then entered into a conspiracy to defraud the government and people of the United States.
As long as he can stall, the statute runs. If it runs out, he can not be prosecuted for anything since the first offense led to the second. If there is no first, there can be no second.
Anyone who knew, or should have known cannot be prosecuted if he is not prosecuted on the first offense.
By the time the statute runs out, he will have finished his first term in office.
So many charges. So little time.
Yeh -- the contents of which probably included his Kenyan birth certificate. That must have been what the media was referring to months back when they floated the story of some kind of fire destroying his birth records. It was the fire in granny's barbecue pit.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we’re right, sorry to say.
we have to take the certification from the National Democratic Convention at face value.
Eventually God will bring this man down but in the meantime, God expects man to do what is in the power of his own hand to do. The country comes down if the people wait. CO
Red you have to be kidding. I can’t believe that you think November is going to make a difference. Obama is stealing the November election RIGHT NOW. Even today with this new Unionization thing. I mean, MULTIPLE MILLIONS of Dem voters are being added to the rolls. He does not plan to lose anythiing or anybody and he doesn’t plan to EVER leave the White House. When in history has a Tyrant ever been removed or even weakened at the voting booth? Never. They take care of it by whatever means they have to. He’s power drunk scum and he hates the United States and her allies. He loves all her enemies. America must rise up right now or be lost. You’ll see. CO
Wouldn’t this be in federal jurisdiction? I’m unclear why any state statute would matter a whit?
I agree SatinDoll. Not a single media figure has shown interest in this fundamental issue. They know the issue is simmering and, probably knowing that it is safe to do so, raise the birth certificate issue. Many of them know the truth, but have been cowed by the "Birther" campaign. Certainly, every senator knows, since, presuming some staff-person reads the bills each senator signs, 2008 Senate Res. 511, sponsored by Patrick Leahy and Clair McCaskill, co-sponsored by Obama, is entirely based upon the understanding that a natural born citizen has two citizen parent. It is up to us to help inform our fellow citizens.
Birth certificates can only confirm whether or not Obama is a “Native born U.S. citizen”, the qualification Obama himself claims on his Fight the Smears website. Native born U.S. citizens are only natural born citizens if both of their parents were citizens, native or naturalized. That is the assertion of four chief justices of the supreme court and that understanding is repeated in more than a dozen cases, as well as by the author of the 14th Amendment, John Bingham, in his address to the joint session in 1866.
Because the definition has never been tested by a case the supreme court must confirm the definition. As James Madison said; “I entirely concur in the propriety of resorting to the sense in which the Constitution was accepted and ratified by the nation. In that sense alone it is the legitimate Constitution.” (Mark Levin's Liberty and Tyranny, p37). Or, Thomas Jefferson, who inaugurated the course on The Law of Nature and of Nations, using Vattel as the text in 1779 at William and Mary: “Our peculiar security is in possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction. I say the same as to the opinion of those who consider the grant of the treaty-making power as boundless. If it is, then we have no Constitution.”
This is not about where Barry was born. It is about our constitutional foundation of Law. Obama was born of an alien father by his own admission. By so doing he said he and his supporters don't respect the requirement that the president be a natural born citizen. The entire senate went along with him. John Jay, John Marshall, Morrison Waite, James Gray, Charles Evans Hughes, John Bingham, Samuel Adams, Joseph Story, James Kent, ... told us a natural born citizen is “born on the soil of citizen parents”. That is our Constitution. If Barry was truthful about his father, a birth certificate is meaningless. It is clear that Obama's team will use the Constitution when it suits its goals and ignore it with impunity.
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You've got to be kidding. There's not a politician in the country who'll be voted out because of this. Not one.
Plenty of them will be voted out for being spendthrifts.
Plenty more will be tossed for supporting amnesty for illegal aliens.
A whole BUNCH will be bounced on their ass for supporting Obamacare.
Throw in cap-and-tax, abortion, bank bailouts, tax increases, the GM bailout, earmarks, leftist judges, gun-grabbing, homosexual marriage, and a perceived general contempt for American values and you have the cause for most of the remaining involuntary departures.
But not one congresscritter, not one senator, not one state legislator, not one mayor, city councilman or dogcatcher will be voted out of office because of Obama's birth certificate.
And again...you already know this.
It's a waste of energy that could be spent on real issues and gives ammunition to those who want to paint us as wacky conspiracy-theory mongering nutjobs.
Hank
Thanks justiceseeker93.
The definition of “Natural Born Citizen” was actually read into the Congressional Record after the Civil War.
Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms that understanding and the construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:
” ... I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents (plural, meaning two) not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen...”
Yes, they should. We need to compile a traitor’s list.
Two points: There is a wonderful summary digging in some different directions for an understanding of citizenship, including an essay by Thomas Hobbes which I would never have read without Barry's inspiration. It is currently the lead at Mario Apuzzo’s site, and was either written by or entered by Cmdr Kerchner. http://puzo1.blogspot.com
Second, someone posted a reference to Samuel Adams’ explanation of citizenship which I failed to download. I noted it having subjected my kids to Glen Beck's special on Samuel Adams. Beck's enthusiasm with the framers comes at a good time even if he doesn't have the confidence in his journey through our history to trust the words of the framers more than he fears the barbs of our state-run media. It is also quite reasonable that Obama’s team have promised incitement charges for any public figure who validates the truth of Obama’s ineligibility, just as they found ethics violations for Georgia Congressman Nathan Deal when he dared to ask the question put to him by his constituents.
Obama may have the affect that more of our citizens will actually learn our history the meaning of the Constitution. Of course, our education should cause his removal from office - not impeachment because he isn't legally president. I'm sure he will be well taken care of wherever he goes! His current position depends upon our ignorance, and we are learning.
Thanks for the link
Yes, indeed Pelosi perjured herself when she signed Hawaii’s certification saying he is Constitutionally eligible. I have no doubt that when Dr. Fukino, made her statement in July of 09, the DNC certification was the “vital record” that she used to claim that Obama was a “natural born American citizen”. It is a shame that the SD SOS, let Obama slide, and now looks for the voters to promote him. If you can’t trust a person with such a small task, why trust him with greater things?
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