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Incitement Rhetoric Gets Even More Dangerous (NewsMax's Military Coup Article)
The Washington Monthly ^ | September 30, 2009 | Steve Benen

Posted on 10/06/2009 4:13:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Just eight months into a Democratic administration, Newsmax is running a piece speculating about a military overthrow of the elected leadership of the United States government. Seriously.

Newsmax columnist John L. Perry encourages his right-wing readers not to "dismiss" the notion of an American military coup as "unrealistic."

America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont [sic]. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it....

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

In April, a common Republican talking point was the notion that Democrats were creating some kind of "banana republic." In retrospect, the irony is rich.

There is an unmistakable trend in right-wing rhetoric in the direction of extremism and violence. It's not at all healthy, and it's a sign of conservative contingents gone stark raving mad.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: angrymob; bho44; birthers; civilwar2; coup; cw2; cwiiping; czars; military; newzsmacks; obama; townhalls
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As is sometimes the case, the comments beat the article by a mile.
1 posted on 10/06/2009 4:13:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perry is not a conservative if I have heard the reaction properly.


2 posted on 10/06/2009 4:16:43 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now going on your word to go see these comments.

Rich, I hope!


3 posted on 10/06/2009 4:16:53 PM PDT by ROTB ("By any means necessary"=EvilExcusd "The urge 2 save humanity is [often a ruse] for the urge 2 rule")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So, in a hypothetical of a tyrant usurping the Constitution and creating a self perpetuating dictatorship it is the ones who defend the Constitution as being painted as the evil bad guys !?


4 posted on 10/06/2009 4:17:28 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why is Steve Benen writing articles about a Military Coup?

What is he trying to start?


5 posted on 10/06/2009 4:21:33 PM PDT by donna (I never really had roots in any one place or culture or ethnic group. - Obama Olympics speech)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wow. These people are seriously delusional.


6 posted on 10/06/2009 4:21:45 PM PDT by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: Para-Ord.45

“So, in a hypothetical of a tyrant usurping the Constitution and creating a self perpetuating dictatorship it is the ones who defend the Constitution as being painted as the evil bad guys !?”

The Bamster and the other commies in State Dept tried to paint the Honduran removal of a wannabe Chavez from office as mandated by their constitution as “evil bad guys”.

Why should they not try it here?

The answer is the Internet and talk radio.


7 posted on 10/06/2009 4:28:11 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just eight months into a Democratic administration, Newsmax is running a piece speculating about a military overthrow of the elected leadership of the United States government. Seriously.

Seriously, I have never witnessed our Nation at such an important fork in the road. There is lots going on right now that I would have never dreamed of in our country. Citizens in the millions demanding redress from a congress that has chosen to dismiss them. Gun and Ammo sales beyond comprehension. People hoarding food not for Y2k, terrorism, or disaster reasons, but for reasons no one will yet openly speak about. A military overthrow of elected leadership...there may be a real reason the leadership is suspect. If we elected a set of spies or traitors, there would be a need for a military overthrow; and that need would not be openly evident. Suspicion is there and that would be all the average astute citizen would have.

Sept. 11, 2001 put our country on edge, but not anything like our own "elected officials" have accomplished. We are indeed living in interesting times.

8 posted on 10/06/2009 4:28:40 PM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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Q - If the Communists have seized the government, who will ride to the rescue?

A - Those who have sworn to protect and defend the Constitution, that's who.

9 posted on 10/06/2009 4:29:28 PM PDT by mkjessup (Hey Comrade 0bama? No documentation = No eligibility, ok? Now GTF out of OUR White House!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama’s radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

Everything in politics is reversible with the right congress.


10 posted on 10/06/2009 4:35:10 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well, the SC could always conclude that Zer0 is illegitimate in the eyes of the Constitution and then the military sends him to the Brazilian Embassy.

That would be appropriate.

11 posted on 10/06/2009 4:35:48 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sounds like the plot of a book I wrote. (The new one, Foreign Enemies And Traitors.)


12 posted on 10/06/2009 4:35:54 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; ArmedSkeptic; ...
CW2 Ping


13 posted on 10/06/2009 4:36:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The commenter's seem to be stuck on sedition and civil war...if a war happens it will be more along the lines of a Revolutionary War where the federal government assumes the traditional role of King George IV and Parliament, out to squash the traitorous rebels because they will not swear allegiance to the new King Zero.
14 posted on 10/06/2009 4:37:50 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: mojitojoe

This should be an interesting thread ping


15 posted on 10/06/2009 4:38:38 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Obama's Blackberry, who's on the other end?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"As is sometimes the case, the comments beat the article by a mile. "

This is one of those:

"My fellow citizens, the next civil war may be right around the corner. Or it may be that we continue to screw around and let this crap go on and on for another generation.

But the next civil war is inevitable.

The last time, they assassinated a president, got away with it, and we appeased and pandered to the Disloyal South with a whitewash Truth and Reconciliation, and a hearty reconstruction. Instead of razing their cities to the ground, taking their women and children into slavery, and putting all the men (lets call them "enemy combatants") to the sword.

And because of this leniency, the stars and bars still proudly fly over their capitols. They still talk openly of revolution, and genocide, and they still hold midnight meetings with their pointy-white hats.

Might I suggest, that THIS time - (though we've already allowed them to murder the Kennedys, and MLK, and probably also senator Wellstone) - THIS time. . . can we PLEASE do the job right?

When (not if) they start another SHOOTING civil war - they should suffer real consequences. As a culture, they should be held responsible. As responsible as NAZI Germany was held after WW II. (might I suggest y'all take a look at photos of downtown Berlin after the Soviets got through with them). The noose should change from a symbol of black lynchings, into a symbol of justice for these thugs.

Lincoln's murderers were NEVER brought to justice. And their heirs and descendants are still plotting. Banjos and bayonets."

Posted by: ghost_of_lincoln on September 30, 2009 at 12:02 PM | PERMALINK

16 posted on 10/06/2009 4:40:04 PM PDT by blam
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To: EBH

It isn’t going to be a military overthrow.

It’s going to be an all out civil war, and the vast majority of the military is going to side with those of us who seek to restore the Republic.

As it stands right now, 0bama will be a one term pResident. IF and that is a huge IF he somehow gets re-elected, and it’s shown to be through nefarious means such as ACORN, and other groups stuffing ballot boxes then that IMO will be the trigger that sets it all off because millions upon millions of people will take to the streets in protest. 0bama trying to keep his power, will try and dispatch troops or law enforcement to “subdue” the protesters, and it will be free for all from that point on.

Mark your calender for the first week of December 2012 at the latest for this to happen.


17 posted on 10/06/2009 4:42:00 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Amazing. The commenter that said conservatives hate this country and everything it stands for. I don’t even know what to say to that....


18 posted on 10/06/2009 4:43:51 PM PDT by cld51860
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To: ROTB
Now going on your word to go see these comments.

I read about four of them and had enough, oy

19 posted on 10/06/2009 4:46:25 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Obama's Blackberry, who's on the other end?)
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To: cld51860

Lying is sport to them; like breathing.

Note the tagline ...


20 posted on 10/06/2009 4:47:12 PM PDT by ROTB ("By any means necessary"=EvilExcusd "The urge 2 save humanity is [often a ruse] for the urge 2 rule")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Because, you know, Newsmax is such a credible, mainstream information outlet. EVERYONE reads it, and takes every article as gospel.


21 posted on 10/06/2009 4:48:06 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: crazyhorse691

“Treason doth never prosper- what’s the reason?
Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
~~Sir John Harrington, 1607


22 posted on 10/06/2009 4:48:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for the ping, am looking forward to the discussion


23 posted on 10/06/2009 4:48:27 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Obama's Blackberry, who's on the other end?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When the healthcare fight is over, they will come for free speech and press.

The groundwork is already being laid down.


24 posted on 10/06/2009 4:48:57 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Travis McGee

I prefer your screen name /jk

I will pick up our books and read ‘em.


25 posted on 10/06/2009 4:49:28 PM PDT by Freedom_Fighter_2001
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To: Travis McGee
Up...
26 posted on 10/06/2009 4:49:39 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Freedom_Fighter_2001

Whoops, YOUR books, your books, LOL


27 posted on 10/06/2009 4:50:18 PM PDT by Freedom_Fighter_2001
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To: 2CAVTrooper
We disagree on the process, but agree something more is up.

If we are pushed to a civil war, it will be more than messy.

A military overthrow taking control of our government would be a tactical bit of artistry for the history books. Would we still have to "put down" some form of revolt? Most likely, but it would be less than a full civil war.

Temporary military control might be the only way to restore the Republic. While many here fear such an action, yet like you say, the vast majority of the military is going to side with those of us who seek to restore the Republic,I would ask why they would not be trusted with temporary custody?

28 posted on 10/06/2009 4:51:33 PM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

April 14, 2009
The Obama Administration Is Criminalizing Dissent? Intimidating Its Ideological Opponents? You Must Be Joking [Andy McCarthy]

I’m still digging out of my various pre-election hate mail piles — you know, “How could say Obama is a socialist who will redistribute wealth just because he used to be a member of a socialist party and criticized the Warren Court for failing to order the redistribution of wealth?”; “How could you say Obama is a Left-wing radical rather than a centrist moderate just because he made common cause with Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Mike Klonsky, Jeremiah Wright, Frank Marshall Davis, et al?”; “How could you say Obama would be an extremist on abortion and other life issues just because he supported infanticide as a Chicago legislator?”; “How could you say Obama would be anti-Israel in his governance and appointments just because he pals around with Rashid Khalidi?”; “How could you say an Obama administration would turn TARP into a Big Government slush fund just because he managed the Chicago Annenberg Challenge as a Big Lefty slush fund?”; “How could you say Obama will be soft on Iran just because Obama is soft on Iran?”; etc. But I note that I got plenty for this one, too:
Obama’s Assault on the First Amendment

I’ll be blunt: Sen. Obama and his supporters despise free expression, the bedrock of American self-determinism and hence American democracy. What’s more, like garden-variety despots, they see law not as a means of ensuring liberty but as a tool to intimidate and quell dissent....

[I]n St. Louis, local law-enforcement authorities, dominated by Democrat-party activists, [are] threatening libel prosecutions against Obama’s political opposition. County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch and City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, abetted by a local sheriff and encouraged by the Obama campaign, warned that members of the public who dared speak out against Obama during the campaign’s crucial final weeks would face criminal libel charges — if, in the judgment of these conflicted officials, such criticism of their champion was “false.”

The chill wind was bracing. The Taliban could not better rig matters. The Prophet of Change is only to be admired, not questioned. In the stretch run of an American election, there is to be no examination of a candidate for the world’s most powerful office — whether about his radical record, the fringe Leftism that lies beneath his thin, centrist veneer, his enabling of infanticide, his history of race-conscious politics, his proposals for unprecedented confiscation and distribution of private property (including a massive transfer of American wealth to third-world dictators through international bureaucrats), his ruinous economic policies that have helped leave Illinois a financial wreck, his place at the vortex of the credit market implosion that has put the U.S. economy on the brink of meltdown, his aggressive push for American withdrawal and defeat in Iraq, his easy gravitation to America-hating activists, be they preachers like Jeremiah Wright, terrorists like Bill Ayers, or Communists like Frank Marshall Davis. Comment on any of this and risk indictment or, at the very least, government harassment and exorbitant legal fees.

Nor was this an isolated incident.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDkyMDNiNjZjNGM4OTkzZmI0NWJkMGMyODE0NjY2YzE#


29 posted on 10/06/2009 4:53:29 PM PDT by anglian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who needs a coup, just arrest the usurper.

hehhehe


30 posted on 10/06/2009 4:53:48 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: Freedom_Fighter_2001

Well if you get them, then they’ll be “our” books. Sort of.


31 posted on 10/06/2009 4:57:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: cld51860
Man I hear you. I sometimes think the only solution short of all out civil war is to divide the country in two. Although I fully expect an event within the next year that will force things to a head.
32 posted on 10/06/2009 4:58:35 PM PDT by JoSixChip (The only thing broken in this country is the government.)
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To: crazyhorse691

I trend toward believing it will be a restoration of our Constitution.

That may or may not include bloodshed. I wish not, but am preparing for either.


33 posted on 10/06/2009 4:58:59 PM PDT by hotshu (Keep the Faith, that will be the only thing 0bama doesn't try to steal from us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The allegedly offensive article did NOT advocate a coup, it advocated the military reminding the President that his powers are specific and limited, not unlimited, and that their loyalty is to the Constitution, not to him.

See, I actually read the article. I’m not sure the above pundit did.


34 posted on 10/06/2009 4:59:12 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Mr. Obama, I will not join your plantation.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

bttt ; It’s coming could be tomorrow or a year or two down the road . Enemies foreign and domestic ,we took an oath to protect the Constitution of these united states.


35 posted on 10/06/2009 5:00:24 PM PDT by piroque
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To: blam
Hahahaha! John Wilkes Booth was a DEMOCRAT! Lee Harvey Oswald was a COMMUNIST! Sirhan Sirhan was a radical ISLAMIST/JIHADIST Palestinian! MLK's family doesn't think James Earl Ray did it! Wellstone died in a plane accident, he wasn't assassinated! What a clueless halfwit! "THIS time. . . can we PLEASE do the job right?" I take it he doesn't mean him personally, as he's happy as a clam in Mom's basement. Seriously, did these DUmmies notice the millions of weapons and billions of rounds that've been stockpiled just since October of last year?! Who's going to blitzkreig us?
36 posted on 10/06/2009 5:02:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin if she runs; What will you do?)
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Obama Risks a Domestic Military ‘Intervention’

Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:35 AM

By: John L. Perry    Article Font Size

There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.” Don’t dismiss it as unrealistic.

America isn’t the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn’t mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. So, view the following through military eyes:

# Officers swear to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Unlike enlisted personnel, they do not swear to “obey the orders of the president of the United States.”

# Top military officers can see the Constitution they are sworn to defend being trampled as American institutions and enterprises are nationalized.

# They can see that Americans are increasingly alarmed that this nation, under President Barack Obama, may not even be recognizable as America by the 2012 election, in which he will surely seek continuation in office.

# They can see that the economy — ravaged by deficits, taxes, unemployment, and impending inflation — is financially reliant on foreign lender governments.

# They can see this president waging undeclared war on the intelligence community, without whose rigorous and independent functions the armed services are rendered blind in an ever-more hostile world overseas and at home.

# They can see the dismantling of defenses against missiles targeted at this nation by avowed enemies, even as America’s troop strength is allowed to sag.

# They can see the horror of major warfare erupting simultaneously in two, and possibly three, far-flung theaters before America can react in time.

# They can see the nation’s safety and their own military establishments and honor placed in jeopardy as never before.

So, if you are one of those observant military professionals, what do you do?

Wait until this president bungles into losing the war in Afghanistan, and Pakistan’s arsenal of nuclear bombs falls into the hands of militant Islam?

Wait until Israel is forced to launch air strikes on Iran’s nuclear-bomb plants, and the Middle East explodes, destabilizing or subjugating the Free World?

What happens if the generals Obama sent to win the Afghan war are told by this president (who now says, “I’m not interested in victory”) that they will be denied troops they must have to win? Do they follow orders they cannot carry out, consistent with their oath of duty? Do they resign en masse?

Or do they soldier on, hoping the 2010 congressional elections will reverse the situation? Do they dare gamble the national survival on such political whims?

Anyone who imagines that those thoughts are not weighing heavily on the intellect and conscience of America’s military leadership is lost in a fool’s fog.

Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a “family intervention,” with some form of limited, shared responsibility?

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

Military intervention is what Obama’s exponentially accelerating agenda for “fundamental change” toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama’s radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don’t shrug and say, “We can always worry about that later.”

In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass.

John L. Perry, a prize-winning newspaper editor and writer who served on White House staffs of two presidents, is a regular columnist for Newsmax.com. Read John Perry’s columns here.

© 2009 Newsmax. All rights reserved.


37 posted on 10/06/2009 5:03:14 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Mr. Obama, I will not join your plantation.)
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To: ctdonath2
Thanks for posting the column.
38 posted on 10/06/2009 5:06:08 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Read the comments, these folks are nuts. Never saw “anything like this “ when W was pres.

Lock and load, the insane don’t understand reason.


39 posted on 10/06/2009 5:10:12 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: piroque
It’s coming could be tomorrow or a year or two down the road

Something is coming for sure, I just don't know what, too many possiblilties and scenarios.

Sometimes, I just wish we could get to it and get it over with though.

40 posted on 10/06/2009 5:11:25 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Obama's Blackberry, who's on the other end?)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for the ping - best news i read all week.


41 posted on 10/06/2009 5:11:46 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: MileHi
I don't think those leftist loons ever read the Constitution, or are aware of the military oath to defend the Consititution against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC.

Doesn't say anything in that oath about "Except for the POTUS, who is above every law."


42 posted on 10/06/2009 5:13:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
Doesn't say anything in that oath about "Except for the POTUS, who is above every law."

Damn right it doesn't. No one knows that oath better than you. Thanks again for the ping.

43 posted on 10/06/2009 5:17:00 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Please, God, let it happen...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

44 posted on 10/06/2009 5:19:06 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: MileHi

Yep. But I hope it never comes to this. CW2 would be ug-ly. The problem is, the leftists are retarded, and don’t realize they are behaving dangerously stupidly, by trampling the Constitution in their race to turn our Republic into a socialist tyranny.


45 posted on 10/06/2009 5:20:53 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: hotshu

I trend toward believing it will be a restoration of our Constitution.


Depends if the monarchists or the patriots win...bloodless would be nice, but, if the way ACORN is trying to hold onto their power is any indication I don’t see King Zero and his cohorts riding quietly into the sunset. Their name calling seems to be losing it’s edge and is slipping into desperation.


46 posted on 10/06/2009 5:23:12 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I pray that it doesn’t come to a shooting war ,, war is HELL .
One of the reasons we have always fought in foreign countries , Count myself as one of the 3% group .Me and mine will survive for we have all the TOYS . ;-)


47 posted on 10/06/2009 5:26:08 PM PDT by piroque
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To: Travis McGee
Very appropriate quote.
48 posted on 10/06/2009 5:27:02 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: All; ROTB; Para-Ord.45; donna; CharlesThe Hammer; GladesGuru; EBH; mkjessup; Integrityrocks; ...

Ping! Also: Related thread, for those who haven’t seen it:

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


49 posted on 10/06/2009 5:35:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin if she runs; What will you do?)
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To: Travis McGee

Well, this would solve a few issues and answer a few questions.


50 posted on 10/06/2009 5:41:56 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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