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Can Hydrocarbons Form in the Mantle Without Organic Matter?
Geology.com ^ | July 2009 | Republished from a Carnegie Institution press release

Posted on 07/28/2009 9:20:47 PM PDT by JmyBryan

Could Deep Source Hydrocarbons Migrate Up Into Oil and Gas Reservoirs?

The oil and gas that fuels our homes and cars started out as living organisms that died, were compressed, and heated under heavy layers of sediments in the Earth's crust. Scientists have debated for years whether some of these hydrocarbons could also have been created deeper in the Earth and formed without organic matter. Now for the first time, scientists have found that ethane and heavier hydrocarbons can be synthesized under the pressure-temperature conditions of the upper mantle —the layer of Earth under the crust and on top of the core. The research was conducted by scientists at the Carnegie Institution's Geophysical Laboratory, with colleagues from Russia and Sweden, and is published in the July 26, advanced on-line issue of Nature Geoscience.

(Excerpt) Read more at geology.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; science; thomasgold
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1 posted on 07/28/2009 9:20:48 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: JmyBryan

Stole this link the other day:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3952

Great reading!


2 posted on 07/28/2009 9:25:27 PM PDT by nralife (Sarah doesn't know it's a damn show! She thinks it's a damn fight!)
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To: nralife

Seems to occur on other planets, why mot here?


3 posted on 07/28/2009 9:29:12 PM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: JmyBryan
See Triton, moon in this solar system, for an answer.

WTF are they doing for education these days? Complex hydrocarbons appear anywhere it LOOKS LIKE the conditions might be right.

And CHON isn't just an acronym, it's food.

/johnny

4 posted on 07/28/2009 9:29:57 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JmyBryan

Frankly, given the way carbon chains can self assemble in the right conditions without extreme pressure, heat and extreme pressure in the upper mantle seem a pretty good candidate for enabling that kind of reaction.

The idea that oil and other hydrocarbons are made solely from compressed organics is ridiculous. I think even to suggest that compressed organics constitute the majority of hydrocarbon deposits on our planet is similarly ridiculous.

One only has to look at the abundance of hydrocarbons in our Solar System to conclude that either dinosaurs can breathe vacuum or the idea that “fossil fuels” are made out of actual fossils is bogus.


5 posted on 07/28/2009 9:30:28 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: JmyBryan

If hydrocarbons come from dead dinosaurs, then how come they’re plentiful throughout the universe, and found on Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus?


6 posted on 07/28/2009 9:33:00 PM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: tired1

Follow the money... :)


7 posted on 07/28/2009 9:34:03 PM PDT by nralife (Sarah doesn't know it's a damn show! She thinks it's a damn fight!)
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To: JmyBryan

One of Saturn’s moons, “Titan”, has oceans of methane. Does that mean there’s life there? There are whole nebulae made of alcohols, does this mean there’s life there too? I think there’s merit to this theory.


8 posted on 07/28/2009 9:34:34 PM PDT by freedomconservationist
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To: coconutt2000
Frankly, given the way carbon chains can self assemble in the right conditions without extreme pressure, heat and extreme pressure in the upper mantle seem a pretty good candidate for enabling that kind of reaction.

What if life came from the same place?

9 posted on 07/28/2009 9:45:14 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: shibumi

Didn’t you know that dinosaurs could fly? Remember, they’re related to birds, so ...

Coming to a theater near you, “Dinosaurs of Mars”.


10 posted on 07/28/2009 9:53:36 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: coconutt2000
The Deep Hot Biosphere

When scientists discovered thermophiles?primitive microorganisms that live in deep seafloor vents and eat hydrocarbons (chemicals like gasoline)?experts assumed the mysterious bugs had little to tell us about ourselves or about the earth's core. Cornell University Professor Emeritus Gold, however, who for 20 years directed the Cornell Center for Radiophysics and Space Research, here proposes the striking theory that "a full functioning... biosphere, feeding on hydrocarbons, exists deep within the earth, and that a primordial source of hydrocarbons lies even deeper."

Most scientists think the oil we drill for comes from decomposed prehistoric plants. Gold believes it has been there since the earth's formation, that it supports its own ecosystem far underground and that life there preceded life on the earth's surface. The "deep hot biosphere" hypothesis would explain the thermophiles, the minerals and the oil Swedish drillers found in 1990 under rock where no one expected them. The hot goo and massed gas far under our feet would also explain some mysterious historical earthquakes (notably the New Madrid, Mo., shocker of 1811), and it would tell puzzled geologists why so many oil reserves just happen to sit underneath coal fields. As later chapters explain, if Gold is right, the planet's oil reserves are far larger than policymakers expect, and earthquake-prediction procedures require a shakeup; moreover, astronomers hoping for extraterrestrial contacts might want to stop seeking life on other planets and inquire about life in them.

11 posted on 07/28/2009 9:55:25 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: JmyBryan

It occurs on Titan.


12 posted on 07/28/2009 9:56:19 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Why are those who claim to have open minds so afraid of open debate?)
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To: neverdem; SunkenCiv; decimon
Like, *PING*, dudes.

Sunken, hydrocarbons are putatively the *final remains* of dinosaurs et al so to speak -- hence the "Graves" of "GGG" connection to you...

Cheers!

13 posted on 07/28/2009 10:36:15 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

thanks, bfl


14 posted on 07/28/2009 10:48:31 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: JmyBryan
Methane-derived hydrocarbons produced under upper-mantle conditions
15 posted on 07/28/2009 11:14:55 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: JmyBryan
This makes “fossil fuels” are a “renewable energy source”!
16 posted on 07/28/2009 11:44:13 PM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Sorry, complex hydrocarbons are “irreducibly complex”. They could not possibly have formed naturally. They are clearly the work of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.


17 posted on 07/28/2009 11:48:08 PM PDT by John Locke
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To: freedomconservationist

Titanic Farts.


18 posted on 07/29/2009 2:45:34 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Keep your powder dry, and your iron hidden.)
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To: 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; BBell; ...
Thanks grey_whiskers and neverdem. :')
 
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19 posted on 07/29/2009 5:17:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Methane Mystery: L.A. Emitting Twice as Much as Estimated
Discovery News via ENN | July 27, 2009 08:50 AM | Michael Reilly
Posted on 07/29/2009 3:40:27 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2303407/posts


20 posted on 07/29/2009 5:18:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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