I Didn't Know This About Obama's Uncle, Did You? (Obama's Great Uncle: Registered 11/10/1942, Navy

Yahoo! Answers ^ | 5/28/2008 | The Wiz

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

Here are the enlistment records of Charles W. Payne, brother of Madelyn Payne, great uncle of Obama:

Charles W. Payne, born 1924, enlisted 10 Nov '42, Navy, 6293977 REgistered, order #12019, Kansas City, Wyandotte Co., Board #4

So, Obama's great uncle liberated Buchenwald from his ship somewhere in the Pacific?

[Marysecretary]

That’s right. Anyone can be mistaken because of faulty memories of family members, etc., but if you’re going to publicly speak about it, you’d better know what you’re talking about.

[Marysecretary]

That’s true. Even the dead he shot would rise again to vote.

[Reaganesque]

According to someone on YouTube, this isn't the first time he's made such a claim about a relative in WWII. In 2002, he claimed his grandfather had "heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka." Now, normally I wouldn't post something from an unknown source on YouTube but he provides this link from Obama's own website as proof.

You would think that in referencing his grandfather hearing about Auschwitz that he would also mention his other relative who actually participated in the liberation of Auschwitz (or now Buchenwald as we're now told.). By the time Obama is done spinning, the story will be that it was his fifth cousin, twice removed, once spelled "Auschwitz" to win a 5th grade spelling bee, is what he meant to say. Uh, huh. And his uncle/great uncle must have dodged sniper fire on the way into the camp too, right?

Click here for the video.

[weegee]

He’s being “swift boated”.

[spacejunkie01]

His main goal, IMVHO, was to suck up to the Jews since he knows he’s in BIG trouble in the Jewish community so he figured he could kill a bunch of weaknesses w/ one stone; jews, veterans and attempting to claim his family is patriotic.

[Veto!]

yahoo deleted the question. But there are other records. The Mormons will have them for sure.

[maggief]

Possibles:

Payne, Charles E. Inducted 9 June 1943, Army 37531353 Registered, order # V11125 Augusta, Butler Co. (Board # 2)

Veromi.com

PAYNE, CHARLES RANDALL (Age 83)

Associated names:

PAYNE, CHARLES
PAYNE, CHARLES B
PAYNE, CHUCK
PAYNE, CHARLES D
PAYNE, CHARLES E
PAYNE, CHARLES RANDY
PAYNE, CHARLES W
Available(3) Available WICHITA, KS
CALDWICH, KS Possible Relatives:

PAYNE, MICHAEL EUGENE (Age 55)
PAYNE, BERNADIA E (Age 78)
PAYNE, BRENDA KAY (Age 57)
PAYNE, BERNADINE K (Age 78)
PAYNE, WARREN ERNEST (Age 53)
PAYNE, CHARLES (Age 33)

http://www.watsonfuneral.com/index.cfm

Michael E. Payne
(March 25, 1953 - December 12, 2007)

Sign Guest Book

Payne, Michael E., 54, passed away, Dec. 12, 2007. Visitation, Sunday, 2 to 4 p.m. at Watson Reflection Pointe, 3201 S. Webb, Services, Monday, 1:30 p.m. First Pentecostal Church. Survivors, parents, Charles and Bernadine Payne, children, Chay and Chad Payne, Carrie Davis, grandchildren, Carissa, Justin, Kyle, Riley, Landon and Skylynn, brothers, Randy, Warren and Chuck Payne, sisters, Pam Lynn and Brenda Payne, companion, Nancy, nephews, Gavin and Jared.

Sedgwick County, KS public records:

Instrument Type DOC.#/FLM-PG: FILM/PAGE: Indebtedness Reception Date Pages Date Signed Doc Date Return Date
REAL ESTATE MORTGAGE 28956174 28956174 $118,602.00 3/4/2008 9 02/02/2008

Party Information

Party Type Name
GRANTOR PAYNE CHARLES E
GRANTOR PAYNE BERNADINE C
GRANTEE MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC
GRANTEE LIBERTY MORTGAGE CORPORATION

Platted Parcel Information

Plat Code Lot Thru Lot Block Parcel Note Consideration Control No. Key No. Pin No.
QUAIL MEADOWS 3RD. ADD. 2 4

Return Address

Return Address Comments
NETCO 401 FOUNTAIN LAKES BLVD ST CHARLES MO 63301

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Payne, Charles W. Enlisted , Navy 6287657 Registered, order # 11111 Hutchinson, Reno Co. (Board # 3)
Payne, Charles W. Enlisted 10 November 1942, Navy 6293977 Registered, order # 12017 Kansas City, Wyandotte Co. (Board # 4)

4. PAYNE JR, CHARLES W (Age 84)

Associated names:

PAYNE, CHARLES
PAYNE, CHAS
PAYNE, CHUCK
PAYNE, CHARLES ADAM
PAYNE, CHAS JR
PAYNE, CHARLES W
PAYNE, CHARLES W
PAYNE, CHARLES W
Available(7) Available KANSAS CITY, KS Possible Relatives:

PAYNE, MILDRED IRENE (Age 83)
PAYNE, DONNA J (Age 58)
PAYNE, CHARLES ADAM (Age 32)
HOIT, JENNIFER MARIE (Age 31)
VOORVART, LEANN R (Age 35)
PAYNE, JR CHARLES
PAYNE, W (Age 62)

[bill1952]

>A good ships’ yeoman can arrange ANYTHING..

LOL! FR is pretty funny today.
Thank God I didn’t have my coffee in my hand.
Thanks for the laugh - bill

[hecht]

A sub camp?

apparently there were 87 sub camps of the Buchenwald network. Some were 200 miles away. Ohrdruf was about 50.
Obamas people are making it seem that they were next door like Columbia and Bernard. More like the Pac 10 I'd say.

[count-your-change]

In the cosmic scale of time six months is immediately. Like “your refund will be immediately sent out”. And “when I found the money I immediately returned it”.
Besides time worked slower back then.

[weegee]

He was also bringing up the issue to talk about how our wars leave our soldiers with mental problems. More “casualties” of “Bush's war”. He continued on that refrain after citing his “personal” anecdote.

Obama is unfit for the White House.

He thinks that the only way he can “represent” whatever group is to BE a part of whatever group. He needs to learn to be humble and humility. He must learn to acknowledge that there are some things he can never be (a WWII veteran is among them) but he can do what is within his power of president to look out for them and to try to repay their service to this country and to try to steer this country in a positive direction in living tribute to the things millions died fighting for.

They did not give their lives for the United States to become subservient to the third world court of public opinion.

[keepitreal]

I agree with you. I think the middle initial “W” listed in some of the geneology trees is possibly wrong. If you are a member of ancestry.com, and examine family trees, different trees have variations of the same name (misspelled, different initials, even different first names). I think the place listed on the induction list is more telling. Grandparents were in Augusta, the 1930 census lists the Payne family (Rolla and Leona Payne, children Madelyn, Charles and Arlene) living in Augusta, Butler County. Madelyn was married to Dunham at the time of Dunham’s enlistment and he was listed as in Augusta, Butler County. It just makes sense that a 17 year old brother would be living close to family and not in Kansas City.

[Marysecretary]

HAH. He should be! Freepers, arise...

[hecht]

Orddruf was liberatred by the 4th Armored Division and the 355th Infantry Regiment of the 89th Infantry Division.
The subset shrinks. Obama’s people must spi harder.

Perhaps since they have so many relatives i.e. Cheny, someone who was part of the liberation could be related.
He could call him his long lost Uncle . I'm sure the MSM will play ball.

[dhot]

So, Obama's great uncle liberated Buchenwald from his ship somewhere in the Pacific?

The audacity of facts.

[maggief]

1930 Kansas, Butler Co., Augusta, ED 3, sheet 3B, line 81

Payne Rolla C H M W 37 M 29 KS MO OH Bookkeeper Oil company
Leona W F W 32 M 24 KS MO AR
Madelyn D F W 7 S KS KS KS
Charles S M W 5 S KS KS KS
Arlene D F W 3 8/12 S KS KS KS

http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.html

[Republican Red]

Sweetness & Light tried contacting a website that proports to be unofficial site of the 89th Inf Division. They offer to help find info on members and S & L sent a very straight forward request on Charles Payne.

The site host turned out to be a Cindy Sheehan wannabe and answered the email with "Please crawl back under the rock you came out from."

A Query To The 89th Div’s Unofficial Website

After reading this, I too just sent a nicely worder request for info.

[HawaiianGecko]

It seems to me that Obama has some explaining to do.  According to his genealogy records his great uncle is Charles W. Payne, who's father was born & died in Johnson county Kansas, therefore we can reasonable assume Charles was still living with his father at 18 years of age when he enlisted, and his enlistment board would definitely have been Wyandotte county.  Below is part of a monster table from the Kansas Historical Society on WWII veterans. 

http://www.kshs.org/genealogists/military/wwiiveteransresults.php?page=421&branch=N

Payne, Charles T.	Enlisted 13 December 1942, Navy	3427439	Unregistered	Kansas City, Wyandotte Co. (Board # 4)
Payne, Charles W.	Enlisted 10 November 1942, Navy	6293977	Registered, order # 12017	Kansas City, Wyandotte Co. (Board # 4)
Payne, Charles W.	Enlisted , Navy	6287657	Registered, order # 11111	Hutchinson, Reno Co. (Board # 3)

So it appears that his great uncle was in the Navy and that makes his story nose-stretched even futher.

It was my great uncle, not my uncle as I claimed.  It was Buchenwald not Auschwitz as I claimed and he was in the Navy not in the Army as I claimed.  I also search Army enlistment and induction records and there is no Charles W Payne.

[Enchante]

It seems that someone in the Obama campaign — unspecified “aides” — put out the info about Charlie Payne in the 89th Infantry Division. They’d better have the story right this time. I recall seeing on one of the threads that Charlie Payne is alive (he’d be around 84 y.o.) but who knows whether he wants to get dragged into this. Well who would? Well he might want to clear up any uncertainty about his service record but does he appreciate becoming a campaign prop in this way?

Does Charlie Payne like being Obama’s poster boy for PTSD?

Obama could have talked about PTSD without dragging his great-uncle into it, but telling the Auschwitz, oops, he meant Buchenwald tale added so much emotional resonance (and an appeal to Jews)..... did Charlie Payne want to be part of this very public discussion about his post-WWII state of mind? Now the left will try to “blame the bloggers” but it is Obama whose preposterous statement about Auschwitz brought up the subject.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/27/politics/main4130449.shtml

“Aides said Tuesday that his grandmother’s brother, Charlie Payne, helped liberate a Buchenwald sub-camp in April 1945 as part of the 89th Infantry Division.”

[PGR88]

Putting aside this controversy for a moment - I want to point out: It was Obama’s “typical white ancestors” (Grandfather, Great-Uncle) from Kansas that signed up to serve the USA during WWII. Yet upon reading “dreams of my Father” Barry only finds his identity with the likes of America Haters Jeremiah Wright, and Chicago left-wing machine politics. Obviously - the loyal and patriotic part of his family wasn’t suitable for an “identity” - but IS suitable to be trotted out of the “attic” when politics requires.