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Posted on 05/28/2008 8:21:52 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
Curiouser and curiouser
Since we’re discussing Barak Hussein Osama’s geneaology, I’d like to let all hands know that a couple of his brothers are hanging in my closet upstairs. A couple of empty suits have moved in there.
1930 Census
Rolla C. Payne
Bookkeeper - Oil Company
WWI Vet
A few days before the Americans arrived to liberate Ohrdruf, the SS guards had assembled all of the inmates who could walk and marched them off to Buchenwald. They left in the sub-camp more than a thousand bodies of prisoners who had died of bullet wounds, starvation, abuse, and disease. The scene was an indescribable horror even to the combat-hardened troops who captured the camp...
When General Eisenhower learned about the camp, he immediately arranged to meet Generals Bradley and Patton at Ohrdruf on the morning of April 12th. By that time, Buchenwald itself had been captured. Consequently, Ike decided to extend the group’s visit to include a tour of the Buchenwald extermination camp the next day. Eisenhower also ordered every American soldier in the area who was not on the front lines to visit Ohrdruf and Buchenwald. He wanted them to see for themselves what they were fighting against.
© Dwight D. Eisenhower Memorial Commission, Washington, DC, 2004
According to this, many (thousands??) US soldiers went to Ohrdruf and Buchenwald, on orders of General Eisenhower.
Could it be that Osama's great uncle was one of those soldiers? While there were a small number of US soldiers who were the actual liberators of the camp, IMO, all US soldiers fighting against the Nazis played a role in liberating the camps.
That said, I have a feeling that it was Osama who "embellished" his great uncle's actual role, and not the uncle.
Here is a historical US Army Signal Corps film of Ohrdruf (and Hadamar), from the Steven Spielberg Film and Video Archive at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. (double-click on the little Windows Media Player in the left corner of the page to watch in full screen.)
I get the two confused all the time.
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Rolla Charles Payne
Name: Rolla Charles Payne
City: Not Stated
County: Wyandotte
State: Kansas
Birthplace: Kansas;United States of America
Birth Date: 23 Aug 1892 (Olathe, Kan.)
Race: Caucasian (White)
Roll: 1643944
Home address: 4012 West Port Ave, Rosedale, Kan.
What is your present trade, occupation, or office? book-keeper (28)
By whom employed? Oil Well Supply Co.
Where employed? Tulsa, Okla.
Married or single (which)? single
Hay Army...Navy...
Thank God it wasn’t the Marine Corps..I don’t think he could get therer from the jungles of the Pacific!
Name: Charles Payne
Father: Rolla E
Birth: abt 1925
Residence: 1930 - Augusta, Butler, Kansas
Social Security Death Index
about Rolla Payne
Name: Rolla Payne
SSN: xxx-xx-1898
Last Residence: 67156 Winfield, Cowley, Kansas, United States of America
Born: 23 Aug 1892
Died: Oct 1968
State (Year) SSN issued: Oklahoma (Before 1951 )
I clicked on the Yahoo answers and was directed to this: This question has been deleted
Almost every Marine serving in the ETO was a shipboard Fleet Marine on a capital-class warship.
I am wondering if the uncle had an attic.
I am serious.
JJ
The MSM will give him a free pass *AGAIN*.
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Hmmmmmm ....
That clears THAT up! /sarc.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/a-query-to-the-89th-divisions-website
# J Straight
May 29th, 2008 at 12:02 am
JacksonianDemocrat: Excellent analysis and source citation.
On the matter of the military service of Charlie Payne, the great-uncle of Barack Obama:
His full name is Charles Thomas Payne and he IS the uncle (the term “uncle” has in fact been used even for great-uncles in that family) who served in the Army in the 89th Infantry during WW II and suffered severe enough PTSD that, after coming back from the war, he isolated himself at home for some time.
Charles recovered, attended college and to this day is an active, mentally vital, 83 year-old resident of Chicago.
This information was obtained tonight from a phone conversation with members of the Payne family and is being posted to correct the mis-information that is swirling around the internet.
CORRECT info:
1. Charles’ middle initial is “T”, not “W”;
2. he did have what is now termed PTSD; and
3. he was so traumatized by what he encountered during the war, that he in fact did isolate himself at home for a lengthy period of time.
Charles is the second of FOUR Payne siblings:
1. Madelyn Lee
2. Charles Thomas
3. Margaret Arlene
4. Jon Virgil, (born 1937, which is why there is no listing for him in the 1930 Census of Augusta City, Butler County, Kansas. This census has been the only source offered for “Payne sibling info” oin all of the genealogical sites cited by those interested in this story.
I suspect that the listing for Charles E. Payne of Kansas is in fact the record for Charles Thomas Payne. I believe the scribe probably heard “E” instead of “T.” That type of error is frequent in census records and in military records where the info is provided orally:
Payne, Charles E. Inducted 9 June 1943, Army 37531353 Registered, order # V11125 Augusta, Butler Co. (Board # 2)
http://www.kshs.org/genealogis.....mit=SEARCH
J Straight
I still smell a skunk.
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