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Democrats to force votes on who gets rebates
The Houston Chronicle ^ | January 31, 2008 | JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS

Posted on 01/31/2008 12:18:57 PM PST by BradtotheBone

WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats said today they would force votes next week on adding rebates for senior citizens and disabled veterans and heating aid for the poor to the House-passed economic stimulus package.

The move marked a lapse in the broad bipartisan cooperation that sped the stimulus plan through the House, and set the stage for a contentious fight between Republicans who are balking at adding to the bill and Democrats who believe it should be larger.

"Democrats have spoken on how this package can be improved," said Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

He said the measure was still on track for completion by Feb. 15. "We are doing this as fast as we can," he said.

But Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said the proposed add-ons were slowing down rebate checks for millions of Americans, now expected to be delivered starting in May.

"The stimulus train is grinding to a halt here in the U.S. Senate," McConnell said.

Under Reid's plan for Senate action on the stimulus package, the Senate could vote as early as Monday on a bill that would tack $32 billion onto the House measure with rebates of $500-$1,000 to all but the richest taxpayers, with more for families with children.

Approved by the Finance Committee on Wednesday with just three Republican votes, the package also would expand rebate eligibility to 20 million older Americans on Social Security and to disabled veterans, and it would provide an unemployment extension for those whose benefits have run out.

The Senate measure would pump $193 billion into the economy over the next two years, compared with the $161 billion House measure that would send $600-$1,200 rebates to a narrower group.

Democrats in the Senate don't expect to be able to muster the 60 votes they would need to pass the measure, so they will follow up with efforts to add their favorite items — including jobless benefits, food stamps and heating aid for the poor and housing relief — to the House bill, Reid said.

They also plan to hold separate votes on adding heating aid and rebates for seniors and disabled veterans, which would pose a sticky dilemma for Republicans facing re-election.

"It's tough votes for them," said Sen. Charles E. Schumer of New York, who heads the Democrats' Senate campaign arm.

If none of their proposals attracts enough backing to win approval, the Senate will pass the House measure, Reid said.

The bill approved by the Finance Committee would extend unemployment payments for 13 weeks for those whose benefits have run out, with 26 more weeks available in states with the highest unemployment rates. The only state that currently meets the trigger is Michigan.

Labor unions are pressing hard for the extension. The AFL-CIO circulated a letter to senators Thursday urging them to include it in the final stimulus bill.

Democrats said it would be difficult for senators to oppose sending rebate checks to seniors, who also have been lobbying intensively to be included in the stimulus bill.

The Senate measure would deliver flat rebates of $500 for individuals and $1,000 for couples to anyone earning at least $3,000, with income limits of $150,000 for individuals and $300,000 for couples. The rebate would phase out for those making more, disappearing altogether for individuals with income of $160,000 for individuals and $320,000 for couples. The caps would be higher for those with children.

It also goes farther than the House package in efforts to bar illegal immigrants from receiving rebates. Under the Senate measure, recipients and their spouses and children would need valid Social Security numbers to qualify. The House bill omits that requirement, although it expressly disqualifies nonresident aliens.

Today, House leaders indicated they would move to clarify a provision in their version of the bill to stipulate that no rebates could go to illegal immigrants.

"We will take legislative action to clarify and underscore this prohibition so we can expedite the rebates to millions of eligible Americans," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Republican Leader John A. Boehner of Ohio, said in a joint statement.

The Senate plan would restore a business tax break dropped during the House negotiations that would permit corporations suffering losses now to reclaim taxes previously paid.

Both packages include roughly $50 billion worth of tax incentives for businesses to invest in new plants and equipment.


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To: BradtotheBone
"Democrats have spoken on how this package can be improved," said Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

And as usual they got it wrong.

41 posted on 01/31/2008 12:58:26 PM PST by VRWCmember (Romney 2008 - The most palatable RINO left in the race)
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To: BradtotheBone
heating aid for the poor

What the hell does that have to do with the economy?

42 posted on 01/31/2008 1:00:19 PM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: BradtotheBone
Under Reid's plan for Senate action on the stimulus package, the Senate could vote as early as Monday on a bill that would tack $32 billion onto the House measure with rebates of $500-$1,000 to all but the richest taxpayers, with more for families with children.

My guess is that anybody that actually pays tax will have to count these rebates next year against their 2008 taxes, thereby increasing their tax liability (or reducing any refund they would be due) on April 15, 2009. (Of course the people that don't pay taxes will get to keep their "rebate".)

43 posted on 01/31/2008 1:00:45 PM PST by VRWCmember (Romney 2008 - The most palatable RINO left in the race)
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To: BradtotheBone

Free money for everyone including illegal aliens with ITINs. Dems doing what they do best... buying votes with my tax money. Harry Reid would never treat his personal finances the way he treats Federal tax money he took from me. Arnold Schwartzenegger also spends like a drunken sailor and no way does he manage his own money (he’s worth north of $200 million) that way. If he did he would be worth only $10 million


44 posted on 01/31/2008 1:01:35 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Graybeard58
I'm sitting in my car with the motor running, and my bank deposit slip filled out.

We are sr. citizens who pay taxes on our retirement and SS. Does this mean we won't get a check unless they include srs.?

Just curious--not holding my breath.

vaudine

45 posted on 01/31/2008 1:04:12 PM PST by vaudine (RO)
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To: BradtotheBone
If none of their proposals attracts enough backing to win approval, the Senate will pass the House measure, Reid said.

hold firm, boys & girls !
46 posted on 01/31/2008 1:05:44 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: NTHockey
I thought Reid & Pelosi don’t want the “rich” to get rebates. Sorry, but $300K a year don’t sound like poor to me.

The poor don't pay income taxes, so why should they be the ones getting an additional income tax rebate? Both plans already give a lot of people "back" money they don't pay.

47 posted on 01/31/2008 1:06:26 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: quack

Hey don’t forget we need our gal too.


48 posted on 01/31/2008 1:08:18 PM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: BradtotheBone; All

This annoys me to NO END! Isn't the nearly 9 TRILLION dollars You, Me, our friends and relatives, even freakin' Democrats that actually HAVE jobs, all paid in last YEAR enough? How is there not ENOUGH to go around? (Yes, that's rhetorical.) Bread and Circuses! Grrrrr!

49 posted on 01/31/2008 1:08:36 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: vaudine
We are sr. citizens who pay taxes on our retirement and SS. Does this mean we won't get a check unless they include srs.?

Just curious--not holding my breath.

As I understand it and I could be wrong, it's happened before. If you make more than $3,000 and less than $150,000, you get it.

50 posted on 01/31/2008 1:09:09 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: MrB

agree with that!


51 posted on 01/31/2008 1:09:55 PM PST by lonestar
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To: toddlintown

I demand a monthly ‘Beer Allowance,’ too! :)


52 posted on 01/31/2008 1:11:11 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: pabianice

Hey, that’s right. Demand PETA demand money for the critters.


53 posted on 01/31/2008 1:18:23 PM PST by RetiredArmy (America wants socialism. It wants it all for free. It wants the government to provide all.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“I demand a monthly ‘Beer Allowance,’ too!”

Put it under ethanol subsidies.


54 posted on 01/31/2008 1:21:05 PM PST by toddlintown (Building More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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To: NTHockey

Interesting that the ‘Senate’ plan ensures that Congresscritters are included in the rebate program...


55 posted on 01/31/2008 1:22:32 PM PST by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: suijuris
I'm with you. I grew up dirt poor and have busted my arse for the past 35 years for the priviledge to earn too much. I don't get crap in this deal and I am pissed.

Me too.

I hope everyone has fun spending my money! Believe it or not, I worked hard to earn it and with two kids in college I wouldn't have minded getting some of it back.

I have half a mind to quit my second job, lower my income and the associated taxes and just enjoy myself more...

56 posted on 01/31/2008 1:22:51 PM PST by Ethrane ("semper consolar")
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To: BradtotheBone

Stop calling it rebates. It’s welfare.


57 posted on 01/31/2008 1:23:00 PM PST by I_like_good_things_too (Check the "Yes" box next to survival)
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To: Graybeard58
I think you have to be earning from a paycheck to get anything but it could be just 3k in taxable income or more.
58 posted on 01/31/2008 1:35:48 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

That is soooo depressing....look how much goes to welfare for bums and losers! Deadbeats who couldn’t make responsible choices.


59 posted on 01/31/2008 1:38:29 PM PST by cowdog77 (Circle the Wagons)
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To: Ethrane

This is exactly what the socialists want you to do, in order to be “equal..”


60 posted on 01/31/2008 1:45:34 PM PST by erikm88
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