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Democrats to force votes on who gets rebates
The Houston Chronicle ^ | January 31, 2008 | JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS

Posted on 01/31/2008 12:18:57 PM PST by BradtotheBone

WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats said today they would force votes next week on adding rebates for senior citizens and disabled veterans and heating aid for the poor to the House-passed economic stimulus package.

The move marked a lapse in the broad bipartisan cooperation that sped the stimulus plan through the House, and set the stage for a contentious fight between Republicans who are balking at adding to the bill and Democrats who believe it should be larger.

"Democrats have spoken on how this package can be improved," said Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

He said the measure was still on track for completion by Feb. 15. "We are doing this as fast as we can," he said.

But Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said the proposed add-ons were slowing down rebate checks for millions of Americans, now expected to be delivered starting in May.

"The stimulus train is grinding to a halt here in the U.S. Senate," McConnell said.

Under Reid's plan for Senate action on the stimulus package, the Senate could vote as early as Monday on a bill that would tack $32 billion onto the House measure with rebates of $500-$1,000 to all but the richest taxpayers, with more for families with children.

Approved by the Finance Committee on Wednesday with just three Republican votes, the package also would expand rebate eligibility to 20 million older Americans on Social Security and to disabled veterans, and it would provide an unemployment extension for those whose benefits have run out.

The Senate measure would pump $193 billion into the economy over the next two years, compared with the $161 billion House measure that would send $600-$1,200 rebates to a narrower group.

Democrats in the Senate don't expect to be able to muster the 60 votes they would need to pass the measure, so they will follow up with efforts to add their favorite items — including jobless benefits, food stamps and heating aid for the poor and housing relief — to the House bill, Reid said.

They also plan to hold separate votes on adding heating aid and rebates for seniors and disabled veterans, which would pose a sticky dilemma for Republicans facing re-election.

"It's tough votes for them," said Sen. Charles E. Schumer of New York, who heads the Democrats' Senate campaign arm.

If none of their proposals attracts enough backing to win approval, the Senate will pass the House measure, Reid said.

The bill approved by the Finance Committee would extend unemployment payments for 13 weeks for those whose benefits have run out, with 26 more weeks available in states with the highest unemployment rates. The only state that currently meets the trigger is Michigan.

Labor unions are pressing hard for the extension. The AFL-CIO circulated a letter to senators Thursday urging them to include it in the final stimulus bill.

Democrats said it would be difficult for senators to oppose sending rebate checks to seniors, who also have been lobbying intensively to be included in the stimulus bill.

The Senate measure would deliver flat rebates of $500 for individuals and $1,000 for couples to anyone earning at least $3,000, with income limits of $150,000 for individuals and $300,000 for couples. The rebate would phase out for those making more, disappearing altogether for individuals with income of $160,000 for individuals and $320,000 for couples. The caps would be higher for those with children.

It also goes farther than the House package in efforts to bar illegal immigrants from receiving rebates. Under the Senate measure, recipients and their spouses and children would need valid Social Security numbers to qualify. The House bill omits that requirement, although it expressly disqualifies nonresident aliens.

Today, House leaders indicated they would move to clarify a provision in their version of the bill to stipulate that no rebates could go to illegal immigrants.

"We will take legislative action to clarify and underscore this prohibition so we can expedite the rebates to millions of eligible Americans," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Republican Leader John A. Boehner of Ohio, said in a joint statement.

The Senate plan would restore a business tax break dropped during the House negotiations that would permit corporations suffering losses now to reclaim taxes previously paid.

Both packages include roughly $50 billion worth of tax incentives for businesses to invest in new plants and equipment.


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1 posted on 01/31/2008 12:18:58 PM PST by BradtotheBone
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To: BradtotheBone

Give everyone a million dollars and be done with it.


2 posted on 01/31/2008 12:21:03 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58
Give everyone a million dollars and be done with it.

I could probably be the democrat nominee with a plan like that.

3 posted on 01/31/2008 12:22:23 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: BradtotheBone

Tax payers with kids??? We have three. Ages 34, 32 and 28. Do we still get the rebates???


4 posted on 01/31/2008 12:22:35 PM PST by RetiredArmy (America wants socialism. It wants it all for free. It wants the government to provide all.)
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To: RetiredArmy

Good one. I have 4 all in their 30s, I’m gonna be rich!


5 posted on 01/31/2008 12:23:22 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: RetiredArmy

Only if you don’t earn “too much”.

Now, if you had a dozen kids and made 3k a year (and paid no taxes), you’d get the maximum amount “rebated”.


6 posted on 01/31/2008 12:23:41 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: BradtotheBone
Democrats said it would be difficult for senators to oppose sending rebate checks to seniors

I thought we already did that on a regular basis...it's called SS and Medicare. end/sarcasm

7 posted on 01/31/2008 12:25:57 PM PST by dawn53
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To: BradtotheBone
I'm sure this "stimulus package" includes lowering marginal tax rates, eliminating capital gains, and the death tax... right??? /s

I won't hold my breath...

8 posted on 01/31/2008 12:27:07 PM PST by erikm88
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To: BradtotheBone
Democrats said it would be difficult for senators to oppose sending rebate checks to seniors, who also have been lobbying intensively to be included in the stimulus bill.

A democracy . . . can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.” -- Alexander Fraser Tytler

9 posted on 01/31/2008 12:27:08 PM PST by tx_eggman ("they want to be judged on their intentions, not their results" - libtards official motto)
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To: BradtotheBone
God, how I hate supporting this bunch in Washington, DC - also at state and local levels. I wish they would all just STFU and go home and leave people alone.

Carolyn

10 posted on 01/31/2008 12:27:09 PM PST by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: MrB

Yep, I earn “too much”.

Which means I pay too much in taxes to deserve a taxpayer rebate.


11 posted on 01/31/2008 12:28:09 PM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Graybeard58

I’LL VOTE FOR THAT!............But gasoline would be $500 a gallon...........


12 posted on 01/31/2008 12:28:18 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Graybeard58

Hell, you could have won by promising a few hundred dollars in savings on a Medicare pharmaceutical rider.


13 posted on 01/31/2008 12:29:02 PM PST by DoughtyOne (PARTY WANTED: Full Time, Cons exp a must. Refs 20 yrs. No Amnesty sptrs. 1 vote per 4 yrs negotiable)
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To: BradtotheBone

Did they ever resolve on whether or not to give Puerto Rico a “income tax rebate” even tho they don’t pay income taxes?........


14 posted on 01/31/2008 12:29:22 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: BradtotheBone
A letter to the editor in my paper yesterday said this:

The gov. should reduce the witholding tax for 6 months to a year and cut the federal gasoline tax for 6 months.

Seems like a better idea than anything coming out of Washington. The Dems would never go for it because only benefit would go to people who actually pay income taxes.

15 posted on 01/31/2008 12:30:27 PM PST by lonestar
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To: BradtotheBone

“The Senate measure would deliver flat rebates of $500 for individuals and $1,000 for couples to anyone earning at least $3,000, with income limits of $150,000 for individuals and $300,000 for couples. The rebate would phase out for those making more, disappearing altogether for individuals with income of $160,000 for individuals and $320,000 for couples. The caps would be higher for those with children.”

I thought Reid & Pelosi don’t want the “rich” to get rebates. Sorry, but $300K a year don’t sound like poor to me. IMy guess is that it is that high so that Congress critters get a check for themselves.

Actually, I’m against the whole idea of rebates. I “might” get one, but it would be beer money(wife and I together don’t make $75K). Besides, by the time they get around to actually sending out checks, it won’t make a dime’s worth of difference.


16 posted on 01/31/2008 12:32:20 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1 - Take no prisoners))
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To: Graybeard58

just fly a C-5 across the country dumping money on every
major city.

it makes as much sense.


17 posted on 01/31/2008 12:32:40 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (I will run through the gates of hell to not vote McCain/Pawlenty .)
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To: BradtotheBone; TigerLikesRooster; Travis McGee
If none of their proposals attracts enough backing to win approval, the Senate will pass the House measure, Reid said.

There's the money quote. I was hoping they'd lard it up so much that GWB would veto it. But it looks like the "improved" version (which adds $30-$50B, not porky enough to bother GWB I bet) is Plan A, and if they can't get together on that then they just pass the House version as is and be done with it. The checks will go out.

So even after today's incredible stock market move (I think at least partially based on this very Senate revelation), I wouldn't bet against stocks going down below this morning's low for quite some time.

18 posted on 01/31/2008 12:33:55 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: lonestar

I have a better idea on withholding -

get rid of it, and move tax day to Halloween, a week or two before election day.


19 posted on 01/31/2008 12:36:16 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Graybeard58

“Give everyone a million dollars and be done with it”

If Hildabeast sends those checks out she’ll want to gift wrap them first and sign all the cards.


20 posted on 01/31/2008 12:36:37 PM PST by Mrs.Z ("...you're a Democrat. You're expected to complain and offer no solutions." Denny Crane)
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