Some people are so into their religion that instead of just practicing it, they have to turn every non-religious organization and activity into an extention of that religious practice. I get the feeling some would prefer if we had a Catholic Republican Party, a Baptist Republican Party, a Jewish, etc. so they can feel like "their own" are the only ones let in.
This guy’s projecting like a Cineplex.
Even Karl Rove admitted Christians staying home was why 2000 was such a squeaker. This has been coming for a long time, but some yoyo always manages to convince the republican leadership Christians have nowhere to go.
They will have plenty of chances to come back around. I don't expect rank-and-file evangelical Christians to overwhelmingly support Rooty in the primaries. If Fred wins the nomination, as I think he will, these evangelical leaders will then have an opportunity to "come to Jesus" regarding Fred. I expect most of them will realize the inanity of doing anything other than supporting Fred's candidacy at that point.
Smells to me like what got Clintoon I elected in '92 without a majority of the votes.
And when I close me eyes I can see a short angry man with jug ears saying:"Larry what we gotta do is lift up the hood....."
This is the perfect prescription to let Clintoon II in again without an absolute majority.
at the margins people will simply not vote for Rudy, they will not work hard to get out the vote for rudy and that will make a difference in key battleground states
Push me Marc Abinder?!
Most of them haven’t, mainly it has been Dobson. Mainly, imo, because he had another choice in mind.
I disagree with the bottom paragraphs, that Rudy would feel indebted and therefore be more in allaince with social conservative’s. Fool’s gold.
I do think some people have made a mistake.
Yes, I DO feel the coalition will fracture with rudy as a nominee. The republicans are kidding themselves if they believe otherwise. Even IF in some fantasy it did not, Reagan Democrats aren’t voting for him. Then there are those conservative’s that don’t bother to vote absent a Presidential election because of these issues. Yeah, count them out. No amount of lectures about DEMOCRATS managed to coerce these voters into voting for republicans in 2006, and it won’t work in 2008.
Where I feel some “leaders” have gone wrong, is that they assessed Thompson and didn’t for whatever reason feel he was good enough. And their congregations apparently assessed him and feel differently. Those poll numbers have risen in spite of everyone telling us not to support him, and those numbers have come from conservatives/christians. IMO, some people need to get back in touch with their base. Not just Republican politicians, but punditry and coalitions on the right. From what I can tell the only coalition typically aligned with the right in presidential politics the last few years that is listening to its base...is the NRA.
Speaking only for myself as a social conservative all my life, Thompson’s acceptable to me. I may not have nailed G.W.B.’s character completely (never suspected the names he’d call his base), but I was right that if he EVER found a VETO pen it would be on embryonic stem cell research.
I was right about his faith and pro-life credentials.
I was right in opposing Clinton, although I think people were also right to oppose Bush 41 with his new world order talk and questionable stance on life.
I don’t think Thompson is as deeply religious as Reagan or as pro life as Bush, but I don’t believe his views are too far away to make him unacceptable. I have a pretty good track record on social/pro-life/faith candidates and have cause to trust my instincts here whatever their scepticism on top.
I believe there is room for a good third party dedicated to ending the corruption that is government today. There is not such a party on the horizon at this time.
Win first, sort out ideological differences later.
Wasn’t that Reagan’s philosophy?
What's he going to do to them?
saving for later
A third-party vote is a vote for Hillary.
This is exactly what is wrong with the one-issue folks. They’ll make sure Satan gets elected to stop a bad person...
A Third Party is far from an empty threat! With both Democrats and Republicans raising taxes in the State of Virginia, it seems that voters have little choice in that state. With a Republican Administration increasing our entitlement programs thus setting the stage for raising taxes, it seems like both Parties are taking the country toward socialism, albeit at different speeds. It is puzzling to me how the current President's family could be so friendly to known criminals and lowlifes.
Many folks with ordered minds would like to see a candidate that stands for borders, language, and culture and responsible stewardship of our resources. Maybe the low approval ratings for our Congress is because it is perceived as being corrupted by special interests and foreign money.
Proofreading...the lost art.
Spelling aside, I was disappointed to see this issue being discussed last night because it was being discussed on the lib talk shows which is just the kind of divisive thing they salivate over. The libs, meaning the Hellary forces, would like nothing better than to split our vote, and going on their shows gives them the opportunity. You know they're going to do everything they can to intensify this.
On the other hand, as a shot across the bow, it's probably a good thing and sending that shot now in October 2007 is better than November 2008. It doesn't hurt at all to tell the party leadership that they might be heading in the wrong direction and to reconsider continuing to throw lots of money and influence behind certain candidates.
After all, this is a party leadership that is committed to amnesty for illegal aliens. Principal among that leadership are RNC chairman Senator Mel Martinez, and, of course, President Bush. It's difficult to watch these same people go after us as the criminals because we oppose amnesty and not think they'll also sell us out with a candidate who supports amnesty along with partial birth abortion and gun control.
Funny thing is that I love Rudy. I'll never forget how he helped me get through 9/11, and how he cleaned up NYC after in lieu of Mayor Dinkins (for all us Bob Grant fans). I wish Rudy were the governor here in the People's Republic of New York instead of that putz Spitzer we have now.
I just don't want him as President because while I think he'd go after the terrorists with gusto, there is more to being President than just defense. President Jorge Boosh has shown us that in stark terms: a President can do great things in fighting evil on the battlefield and stopping evil by appointing conservative Supreme Court justices, but he can also flush it all away along with the country by supporting an invasion of 20 million people who don't belong here.
You gotta look at the whole package, not just the pretty bow.
I’m a religious, social conservative. I will NEVER support Giuliani for President.
Those who insist on Giuliani are simply guaranteeing that Hillary wins.
One thought that has crossed my mind is that Hillary & Giuliani could split the lib to mod-lib vote.
That would make a high visibility, name brand conservative the only one contending for the conservative vote, and it would make mod-conservatives think twice before voting with mod-libs.
Since a MAJORITY is not required to win the presidency by our Constitution, then a conservative candidate could win by taking 34% of the vote while Hillary and Giuliani both take their 33%.
Teddy Roosevelt nearly pulled off a 3rd party victory with his “Progressive Republican Party.”
Our guy could run as the candidate of the “Conservative Republican Party.”
Ross Perot where are you? As in 92, a third party will only serve to elect a Clinton.
I’ll never ever vote for Rudy. And I’ll never ever vote for Roy Moore.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Yeah, I think that's pretty dumb. I can see them refusing to vote for Rudy or Ronnie, but the rest of the field would be acceptable. Not perfect (there is no such thing), but acceptable.