Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?

vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

[trussell]

Your prayer is appreciated Kevmo.
Bless you!

[CharlesWayneCT]

Removed Central Scrutiniser, misspelled the handle, glad to have you “back” :-)

Added NGRY, AZRepublican

That I know (updated again):

Fierce Allegiance
writeblock
Mia T.
FairOpinion
quidnunk

Peach
KATIE-O
habs4ever
Luis Gonzalez
CeltJewLibertarian

stuned beeber
liberty4alland4ever
WestVirginiaRebel
NGRY
AZRepublican

[Jim Noble]

. It doesn't matter if Rudy is not conservative, and is in fact in agreement with Hillary on most of her views, it only matters that he can "win"

I've been here nine years next month, and I'd like to stay around.

BUT

Is it your view that if HRC had become mayor of New York on January 1, 1993 that she would have accomplished the same results as RG by September 10, 2001? (What he did after that date is a one-off).

If she would not have, explain why, since they are "in agreement on most...views".

Does HRC believe individuals are criminally responsible for what they do, not victims of society? Does HRC believe blasphemous "art" should be denied public funding, and its creators shamed? Does HRC believe welfare recipients should be forced to work? Does HRC believe freedom from criminal predation is the most important "civil rights" responsibility of the state? Does HRC believe that individuals are not entitled to government benefits because of their race? Would HRC have confined Yasser Arafat to his hotel when visiting the UN, or would she have given him the freedom of the city?

[TitansAFC]

-—”I didn’t realize so many people said they would vote for Hillary over McCain. Some people really dislike McCain.’-—

I would vote for McCain if he were the nominee. I may have to vote for him in the primary to stop Rudy.

It is only Rudy who would cause me to look Third Party, or if given no other option, to Hillary to stop the Liberal takeover of the GOP. McCain isn't an ideal choice, but I'd still give my votes and volunteer time for him.

[CharlesWayneCT]

I missed PRND21. I see he specifically asked Jim to cancel his account, I guess Jim obliged. That was in another thread.

[CharlesWayneCT]

Update Again. Added PRND21 (he asked to have his account cancelled a couple days ago)

The list of recently canceled/suspended/banned Freepers:

Fierce Allegiance
writeblock
Mia T.
FairOpinion
quidnunk

Peach
KATIE-O
habs4ever
Luis Gonzalez
CeltJewLibertarian

stuned beeber
liberty4alland4ever
WestVirginiaRebel
NGRY
AZRepublican

PRND21

I’m not going to update this every time there’s a new name. God, I hope I don’t ever update this again, except in a few weeks to remove some of the names.

[CharlesWayneCT]

EV’s seen what you are calling “proof”. But in fact, EV is correct, the statement by Thompson was not a blanket repudiation, nor did Fred promise to do anything about the law.

Fred said that the law was obviously not working as it was intendend, that it could have been a mistake, and suggested it might be better to do away with it and replace it with instant disclosure.

But Fred DID say he was “not ready to go their yet”. Some of us were happy enough with that statement for now, but I don’t blame EV and others for wanting him to “get there” before they are willing to take his word about it, since he was instrumental in the CFR push.

[jedward]

Ouch.

[CharlesWayneCT]

You could treat is as an honor role for fallen friends, or a list to use to privately ask JR to re-instate people you think are an asset.

I’m keeping the list because there seemed to be confusion on who was being banned, and it seemed people on both sides wanted to know the latest on people being cast away.

You wouldn’t want to wonder where your posting buddies were only to find out 3 weeks later they had been banned and you never knew to go argue about it.

[rintense]

Fred did say more on CFR going as far as saying he’d work to overturn it. It was out long before his statement on Fox News. I wish I could find it... it had been posted here several times within threads.

[CharlesWayneCT]

Because some of us can’t spell. My apologies.

[Tennessee Nana]

BTTT

[CharlesWayneCT]

It’s not sliming to accurately portray a candidate’s position. I am encouraged that FT might run, and wouldn’t reject him for CFR, but EV’s simply pointing out what FT said about his own views.

We need to stop personalizing the attacks on candidates (And I mean that both ways — stop taking attacks on “your” candidate personally, and stop taking arguments about policy as if they are personal attacks on the candidate).

[Spiff]

Giuliani was the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. That is a presidentially appointed position which requires approval by the Senate. The presidential nomination for Giuliani's successor is available online here. (1983 Presidential Nominations are not in the Thomas database).

I could be wrong. But I'm not convinced with what you've offered as evidence.

[Blackirish]

“A poll? A POLL? Don’t give me that crap, you North Shore cretin.”

‘Now, how does that factor into your equation?? How does Rudy get into the electoral college without Texas?’

This is how it adds up you cowboot wearin fat ass. If Rudy wins you owe FR $50.00 if any dim wins iI do.

[CharlesWayneCT]

Well, past is not prologue, but it is pointed out that, in the last 15 republican elections, the person who was first a year before the first primary won the primary season.

Apparently, at least recently, the republicans have been much more set in their candidate than the democrats.

I don’t think the reasons for that fact are applicable in THIS election season, and I’ve argued against such extrapolation before.

I just wanted to note that the democrat polling/primary comparison doesn’t seem to apply to the republican party process, for whatever reason.

[redgolum]

Rudy was a good mayor for NYC. That doesn’t mean he would be an effective president.

HRC does believe that “freedom from crimnals” is a basic right, which is why she is pro gun control, like Rudy.

[Coldwater Creek]

I stopped respecting Mama when she started knocking Evangelicals around.

This is an OPINON FORUM, and mine is just as important as anyone else that post here on FR.

[VRWCmember]

Because that's the choice you know; a not-so-socially-conserevative Republican or another eight years of the Clintons.

Yeah, that choice worked so well for us when we nominated the "not-so-socially-conservative" Bob Dole in 1996. You've been listening to the drive-by media's political advice too much.

[roses of sharon]

Wow, great Freepers being sent to rehab, lol.

Supporting the wrong Republican can be dangerous to your Freeping health. I'll make sure I don't talk politics on FR anymore.