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To: r5boston

Apple did things first and did them well and did them right.

EXCEPT when PC's started selling for $2500 Mac's stayed at $4500

when pcs went to 1500 mac were 2500

now pcs are 450 and macs are still AT LEAST twice that.

Not only that, but anyone could program a PC- Mac stayed proprietary.

Anyone at mac have a clue why Macs (with their superior software) never topped PC's? No, they probably still dont


4 posted on 03/08/2005 12:11:25 PM PST by Mr. K (I plan put my "Run Hillary Run" bumper sticker on the front of my car)
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10 posted on 03/08/2005 12:17:22 PM PST by anonymoussierra (Lux Mea Christus!!!"Totus tuss" Quo Vadis Domine?Thank you)
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To: Mr. K

Well, it will be interesting to see what the E-mac does. I suspect alot of people who bought cheap Dells will be jumping at the chance to use their monitors with a $450 machine the size of a kleenex box.


13 posted on 03/08/2005 12:22:38 PM PST by Cosmo (Now accepting donations)
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To: Mr. K
now pcs are 450 and macs are still AT LEAST twice that.

Well, crap PCs are $450. Decent ones still cost more, and counting all of what you get they often cost more than a Mac.

BTW, Apple now does make a $500 computer.

Not only that, but anyone could program a PC- Mac stayed proprietary.

Anyone could always program a Mac, since it's the hardware that's proprietary. Although now days most of the stuff in the box (memory, hard drives, etc.) is standard PC hardware, and Apple was the first to push universal connectors like USB and Firewire.

Anyone at mac have a clue why Macs (with their superior software) never topped PC's?

Because IBM, with its huge market power, pushed the PC to dominance in the business community. Then Compaq reverse-engineered the BIOS, allowing anyone to make a PC, thus cutting the price.

16 posted on 03/08/2005 12:26:41 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Mr. K
now pcs are 450 and macs are still AT LEAST twice that.

That's not correct. The newest Macs cost $499, and they're selling fast.


18 posted on 03/08/2005 12:35:51 PM PST by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: Mr. K

Macs are probably the better machine but most software now is being developed to run primarily on Windows based PCs. Trying to bridge the gap is a major league headache so most companies have phased out Macs. 25 years ago Beta was better quality than VHS but VHS had the 6 hour mode and was cheaper. Economics/Marketplace 101.


33 posted on 03/08/2005 1:17:56 PM PST by Cat loving Texan
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To: Mr. K
Anyone at mac have a clue why Macs (with their superior software) never topped PC's? No, they probably still dont

Pardon your ignorance and bigotry.

Two guys built a desktop computer in a garage. IBM needed to compete with two guys in a garage.

IBM found Paul Allen and Bill Gates ready to take their money for a disk operating system, which neither wrote. IBM had a very open door with the government.

Surprisingly, the Gum't decided to do business with IBM, for desktop computers, rather than two guys in a garage. IBM offered WordPerpect and uniformity. Of course, if you wanted to do bizness with the gum't, you gotta pay IBM... and Bill Gates.

Bill Gates wanted a graphic interface. Bill Gates couldn't make his Windows emulation, of the Mac interface, work, so he copied Apple's copy of Xerox's graphic interface. He was sued successfully by Apple, for copyright infringement and subsequently bought 20% of Apple.

I have a stable operating system, on a G5 desktop, a G4 desktop, a g4 PowerBook, and a G3 PowerBook (circa 1999). I use a wireless system, and a wireless Airport Extreme system for nework and interent use.

Apple Computers costs more, so friggin' what. It sure gives you a lot more than the Gates-worshipping community seems to get. At least it works right out of the box, and you only need know how to plug it in...

I had a home network, using the Appletalk system, back in the 80's, when most PC folk were still worshipping IBM, and looking a a gren or amber screen with C > staring at them waitng for the magic words. I used my mouse...

I had a Mac computer that hooked to ethernet naturally, and modems intuitively, for the last twenty+ years. My kids have grown up with them, in school, and at home. The DOS guys always brag about their power and speed, like a bunch of 17 yr old football players, and talk about their build-it-yourself stuff. We Mac guys just keep on using our old and introduce new computers with our old and new systems intermingled. It works for me, and most others in the Mac community.

We don't worship Mac or Apple (though I do appreciate the recent stock split, and the rise in stock prices over the last year+. I made a good chunk of retirement money), we just use them everyday, like the rest of our appliances!

iPod anyone?


103 posted on 03/08/2005 2:42:45 PM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Mr. K
You're making apples and oranges pricing comparisons. Configure both boxes similarly, with similar software capabilities, and the prices are pretty much even. The Mac will even have the advantage slightly.

Your statement about programming on the two platforms is just wrong. You appear to not know what you're talking about. That might not be the case, but you certainly give that impression.

111 posted on 03/08/2005 2:57:13 PM PST by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: Mr. K
Not only that, but anyone could program a PC- Mac stayed proprietary

Programing is programing... and any of them could program an Apple.

Apple provided excellent tech support and programer's tools for anyone who wanted to develop for the Mac. It is now even less "proprietary" in that there are libraries of routines available to any developer to use.

160 posted on 03/08/2005 9:11:22 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: Mr. K
You might note a few things. The total cost of ownership for the Mac has always been lower than that of the PC. You could traditionally run the latest and greatest software on a Mac 5+ years old. Never could do that with a PC (generally, 3 years max - if you were lucky). Until Linux came along, a PC's life span was considered to be no more than three years.

If you are comparing costs, it is only fair to compare PCs that have comparable quality to Apples. IOW, comparing the costs of Macs to Dells or Gateways is ia bit like comparing the costs of a Pantera to a yugo.

But if initial costs is all you can see (a very short-sighted notion indeed), then you might note that you can get a brand new Mac for under $500.00.

Your concern over programming the Mac is misplaced. Applications programming has traditionally been third party in the Mac world (unlike in the PC world). The Mac is very user-friendly to program compared to the PC (I've done both. VB is a bloated and ill-designed dinosaur as compared to MetroWerks - although Borland has some excellent development environments for the PC).

The PC software is far more proprietary than the Mac. This is because the market share of apps for MS on the PC is 90%+. On the Mac, MS only has a 25% share. The odds of financial success are much greater for a developer on the Mac than on the PC. Customer support is much less on Mac than PC.

Developing and marketing apps in the Mac market is a much friendlier exercise for one or two developers than in the PC market.

And lastly, far more companies developing solely for the PC go under than those developing solely for the Mac.
176 posted on 03/08/2005 10:34:31 PM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Mr. K
anyone could program a PC- Mac stayed proprietary.

Windows is proprietary. And Microsoft has used its licensing "agreements" (sign here or get cut out of the loop) to gut third party developers (potential competitors).
183 posted on 03/08/2005 11:20:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Sunday, February 20, 2005.)
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To: Mr. K

You can get a Mac for $499 now. Compare to the piece of crud Dell PC for $400 that you KNOW will not hold up long-term. The price differences just aren't that big anymore.

I am not an IT professional. I did work for several years as a campus networking technician to have some beer money. We very rarely had trouble with Macs (and virtually all the art and music majors had them due to specialized software needs) and when we did, it could usually be fixed very quickly and over the phone. The PCs on the other hand - especially the cheapie Dells and Gateways - were atrocious and generally required a room visit. Software problems, fried hardware components, you name it. A kid's built-in network adapter would suddenly just die and then you needed to call Dell for the drivers. Jugdish in Hyderabad would stumble through his little tech support script in heavily accented English and good luck to you if you could actually understand what he was saying!

I had a Windows PC all through college that I regularly did battle with. My fiance's family has had Macs all along; he's the only one who's ever had a PC.

Once I was out of school and had the disposable income for a new computer, I checked out both PC and Apple...and my little Apple iBook won out. It was a comparable price for similar features, actually.

In 10 months, it has NEVER locked up or crashed. I regularly stay online for weeks or months at a time without rebooting. When I do shut it down, it's for travel or software updates. My fiance does have a higher-end Dell which has not had many problems - I'm not a Windows hater. But for me, I prefer my Mac. And in the future, if a Mac is a little more expensive than a comparable Windows machine, I'll buy the Mac.

You're right - for a long time in the past the money difference was HUGE. But they're definitely knocking the price down. And the iPod is helping - a decent percentage of Windows users who buy an iPod will switch to a Mac.


188 posted on 03/09/2005 4:07:19 AM PST by Rubber_Duckie_27
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To: Mr. K
now pcs are 450 and macs are still AT LEAST twice that.

Not any more :-)

192 posted on 03/09/2005 7:41:07 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Mr. K
Apple did things first and did them well and did them right.

A common misconception.  The famed GUI that Apple invented wasn't invented by Apple at all.  One of the folks from Xerox PARC went on to Apple.  Not all did.  If you've ever seen the GEM operating system, you'd have to ask how they could do that without being sued by Apple.  Well.....they were.  But not for the basic GUI, but for enhancements that Apple did invent, like the wastebasket.

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/6148/gem.html

493 posted on 03/12/2005 2:06:42 AM PST by I_dmc
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To: Mr. K
"Anyone at mac have a clue why Macs (with their superior software) never topped PC's? No, they probably still dont "

Because any moron can run a PC, and you have never heard of a Mac Mini?

$499.00 and it will run rings around a Dell, gateway piece of crap.

But I digress. Used windows for >15 years not a bad OS but for reliability you can't beat UNIX, on a MAC you just get a superior product, although some SW is pricey it is still superior.

IMHO

718 posted on 03/15/2005 2:39:55 PM PST by SERE_DOC ("9 out of the 10 voices in my head told me to go home & clean my weapons!")
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To: Mr. K
Apple did things first and did them well and did them right.

Do the words "closed architecture" mean anything to you? They had an open architecture with the Apple II, but the Mac was un-extendable.

Until USB became prevelant, the Mac was critically crippled.

963 posted on 03/17/2005 3:33:27 PM PST by m87339 (If you could see what a drag it is to see you.)
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