Posted on 07/06/2004 4:03:40 PM PDT by herzhog
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The Freeper's Pathetic Attempts at Historic Revisionism Regarding Stalin's "Communism" and Hitler's National "Socialism"
-By Chris P. Bacon-
July 20th, 2001 It has long been a ploy of the right wing in America, especially with regards to our friends (National Socialists as fervent as Hitler ever was) over at freerepublic.com, to convince people that liberal programs such as welfare, gun control, or even public schools are forms of wicked fascism in the truest spirit of Hitler and the "Communists" of the eastern Bloc simply because, in the names of these political dead ends, they included the word socialism.
This represents a fallacy on the part of the Freepers for failing to understand even the simplest definitions of the words communism, socialism and fascism. In order to get this part of the debate out of the way, I went to my trusty old "Random House Dictionary of the English Language," a massive volume. According to Random House, fascism is defined as follows: "fascism, n. A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism." Under this definition of fascism, which is a solid and time-tested definition, not only were Hitler and Mussolini fascist, but their compatriots in Russia (or the Soviet Union) were fascists as well.
Some of our fellow Freepers, such as "GOPGuy" (not his real handle), a Freeper from the center of the earth, say "The morality of socialism and fascism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice. Envy is the desire to not only possess another's wealth but also the desire to see another's wealth lowered to the level of one's own." GOPGuy, this is Random House¹s definition of socialism: "Socialism, n. A theory or system of social organization which advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production, capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole." How is it that socialism equals fascism under those definitions? Socialism preaches the exact opposite of fascism; socialism is for allowing the community to decide how the means of production behave. Socialism is very democratic. Fascism, as you well know, is dictatorship that advocates the crushing of all dissent (which should sound really familiar to all of the Freepers). Is there any Freeper who can tell me by what thread of even the faintest logic the conclusion that socialism equals fascism can be reached? No! Rush and O¹Reiley have been feeding this misinformation to you and have been twisting definitions and distributing lies in the true spirit of the people and ideologies they claim to despise, to paraphrase the Freepers' hero Adolf Hitler: "If you repeat a lie long enough it becomes the truth."
The attempts at historic revisionism do not stop with our friend the Freeper from the remote regions of Hades, GOPGuy. In fact, a freeper as thick-skulled, if not thicker then GOPGuy, "JohnDoe," a pathetic holdover from the Third Reich, states: "You see disrupter, communism and fascism have the same net resultŠSo, it is amusing to watch the ignorant liberals call the people on the right "Nazis", when that is like calling them a "Leftie". Get it?" Communism and fascism do not have the same net result. Again, let us consult Random house definition of communism: "Communism, n. A theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state." If fascism is for the control of all property by a single man while communism is for the control of all property by the community as a whole or the state (which in many, many cases represents the community as a whole as in the United States) how do they lead to the same result? Who is the ignorant one here, my fellow Freepers?
The political ideology of people on the right in America is much more closely related to authoritarian fascism than that of liberals could ever be. In terms of the political spectrum in which on the extreme left we have anarchy (no government at all) and on the extreme right of the spectrum, fascism (authoritarian dictatorship), the pathos of Freepers in general advocating fervent American nationalism, group identity, white roots and undying support for an authoritarian man who stole the presidency, is more in calling with fascism or "national socialism." For example, the Freepers and people on the extreme right now in unlawful control of this nation advocate "America is a Christian nation" and enforce their will upon the populace by ensuring or proposing that prayer is allowed in schools, that the Ten Commandments be posted, having Jesus Day, and teaching creationism. For all of their divine reliance on the Constitution, it is politically inconvenient for them to have to mention the separation of church and state and the first amendment¹s proclamation that the United States shall establish no religion.
By flooding websites, intimidating vote counters, manipulating polls and posting private information about real and imagined enemies of the Freepers on the internet in order to quash any form of valid dissent and the democratic process and thus the rights of others, the freepers have readily and deservedly distinguished themselves as the foremost advocates of fascism in this nation. It is time to correctly apply the definitions of dictionaries and political scientists where they properly belong: Free Republic equals fascist advocacy.
Chris P. Bacon can be reached via e-mail at dickcheney4@hotmail.com. All Freeper quotations taken from this page.
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"I pray for the day Bush Inc. and all the freepers are locked up for being idiots."
This people is one of the reasons the left idolizes the tyrants of the world with their mass graves, execution chambers and political prisoners.
Thanks for ping - I missed the ZOT, but there appears to still be time to pee on the grave.
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Socialism is very democratic. Fascism, as you well know, is dictatorship that advocates the crushing of all dissent (which should sound really familiar to all of the Freepers). Is there any Freeper who can tell me by what thread of even the faintest logic the conclusion that socialism equals fascism can be reached?
Go read a book or more. I do not have all day to post links to inane posters who are in all likelihood already zotted!
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"....the absurdity of the concept that it is possible to design an educational system where "no child will be left behind,"
Socialism Lives in Public Schools
Other famous supporters of public education include Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Mao Zedong, Mussolini, and every other 20th-century dictator, as well as virtually every politician throughout the entire world. It is thus truly amazing that private education has not been almost completely eliminated by now.
Thats a shame my daughter says hes got CATatude and i say it looks like he would'nt take any guff off anyone lol
Unreal. What a virulent character.Scary to think there are so many of these guys running around loose.
"ALZOT" is the "ALL ZOT" Collective Address Designator--CADs only receive messages, they do not originate them.
..and could somebody, ANYBODY, PLEASE tell me why these clowns always think it makes them so (cool, smart, hip, whatever) to spell things with a 'K' instead of a 'C'? I mean, c'mon already "freerepublik", "amerika", or the ever-popular "AmeriKKKa". It started in the '60's for cryin' out loud! FORTY YEARS AGO!
Get a new trick!
Roger that. :)
Yep, serious 'tude. That's why he's a VK!
Oh, don't worry about missing, this one's a retread, it will surely be back!
" I pray for the day Bush Inc. and all the freepers are locked up for being idiots."
herzhog:
"Fascism, as you well know, is dictatorship that advocates the crushing of all dissent (blah barf snip) freepers have readily and deservedly distinguished themselves as the foremost advocates of fascism in this nation."
"I love the smell of cognitive dissonance in the evening. Smells like, (wait for it!) Bacon!"
Amazing...totally amazing :-D
Here you go, straight from your buddy's mouth -
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions" - Adolph Hitler, speech of May 1, 1927
And here, in a nutshell, is the philosophy of your friends - kerry, edwards and hillary -
The green’s desire to steal private property for the “common good,” such as through the Endangered Species Act, has its roots in Old Europe’s socialist movements.
In Point 17 of the 25 point plan of the National Socialist German Workers Party, written by Adolf Hitler on February 25th, 1920, is found:
“We demand a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose.”
Hitler also shared with the German left of his day the slogan: "Gemeinnutz vor Eigennutz" (Common use before private use).
I am unclear on a concept here. (There's a first time for everything.) What is this "ZOT!" thing I often see attached to a thread posted by some alien being? If the thread were to be vaporized it would not have many many responses thereafter. There is one ZOTTED thread around here somewhere that has passed the 1,000 response point. Does a freeper death ray go forth and smite the alien poster? Is this legal?
::Sheesh:: With a lot of hands across America rallies, where everyone sings Kumbaya together, we're supposed to *want* to give to the collective, avoiding all of that messy business of killing off or institutionalizing inconvient people who foolishly resist getting with the pogrom, er program.
You're welcome. I think you'll find "The Road to Surfdom" an excellent and most useful reference for any economic or political discussion.
While you're reading it, remember that the Clinton's have made a big deal out of "third way" political systems. In Hayek's time, fascism was known as "the third way".
One of the major points made in this book is the fallacy of thinking that fascism is a right wing or conservative political system. It's just another form of socialism. After all, the Nazi's were the National Socialists.
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