...and your point is...?
Posted on 07/06/2004 4:03:40 PM PDT by herzhog
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The Freeper's Pathetic Attempts at Historic Revisionism Regarding Stalin's "Communism" and Hitler's National "Socialism"
-By Chris P. Bacon-
July 20th, 2001 It has long been a ploy of the right wing in America, especially with regards to our friends (National Socialists as fervent as Hitler ever was) over at freerepublic.com, to convince people that liberal programs such as welfare, gun control, or even public schools are forms of wicked fascism in the truest spirit of Hitler and the "Communists" of the eastern Bloc simply because, in the names of these political dead ends, they included the word socialism.
This represents a fallacy on the part of the Freepers for failing to understand even the simplest definitions of the words communism, socialism and fascism. In order to get this part of the debate out of the way, I went to my trusty old "Random House Dictionary of the English Language," a massive volume. According to Random House, fascism is defined as follows: "fascism, n. A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism." Under this definition of fascism, which is a solid and time-tested definition, not only were Hitler and Mussolini fascist, but their compatriots in Russia (or the Soviet Union) were fascists as well.
Some of our fellow Freepers, such as "GOPGuy" (not his real handle), a Freeper from the center of the earth, say "The morality of socialism and fascism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice. Envy is the desire to not only possess another's wealth but also the desire to see another's wealth lowered to the level of one's own." GOPGuy, this is Random House¹s definition of socialism: "Socialism, n. A theory or system of social organization which advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production, capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole." How is it that socialism equals fascism under those definitions? Socialism preaches the exact opposite of fascism; socialism is for allowing the community to decide how the means of production behave. Socialism is very democratic. Fascism, as you well know, is dictatorship that advocates the crushing of all dissent (which should sound really familiar to all of the Freepers). Is there any Freeper who can tell me by what thread of even the faintest logic the conclusion that socialism equals fascism can be reached? No! Rush and O¹Reiley have been feeding this misinformation to you and have been twisting definitions and distributing lies in the true spirit of the people and ideologies they claim to despise, to paraphrase the Freepers' hero Adolf Hitler: "If you repeat a lie long enough it becomes the truth."
The attempts at historic revisionism do not stop with our friend the Freeper from the remote regions of Hades, GOPGuy. In fact, a freeper as thick-skulled, if not thicker then GOPGuy, "JohnDoe," a pathetic holdover from the Third Reich, states: "You see disrupter, communism and fascism have the same net resultŠSo, it is amusing to watch the ignorant liberals call the people on the right "Nazis", when that is like calling them a "Leftie". Get it?" Communism and fascism do not have the same net result. Again, let us consult Random house definition of communism: "Communism, n. A theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state." If fascism is for the control of all property by a single man while communism is for the control of all property by the community as a whole or the state (which in many, many cases represents the community as a whole as in the United States) how do they lead to the same result? Who is the ignorant one here, my fellow Freepers?
The political ideology of people on the right in America is much more closely related to authoritarian fascism than that of liberals could ever be. In terms of the political spectrum in which on the extreme left we have anarchy (no government at all) and on the extreme right of the spectrum, fascism (authoritarian dictatorship), the pathos of Freepers in general advocating fervent American nationalism, group identity, white roots and undying support for an authoritarian man who stole the presidency, is more in calling with fascism or "national socialism." For example, the Freepers and people on the extreme right now in unlawful control of this nation advocate "America is a Christian nation" and enforce their will upon the populace by ensuring or proposing that prayer is allowed in schools, that the Ten Commandments be posted, having Jesus Day, and teaching creationism. For all of their divine reliance on the Constitution, it is politically inconvenient for them to have to mention the separation of church and state and the first amendment¹s proclamation that the United States shall establish no religion.
By flooding websites, intimidating vote counters, manipulating polls and posting private information about real and imagined enemies of the Freepers on the internet in order to quash any form of valid dissent and the democratic process and thus the rights of others, the freepers have readily and deservedly distinguished themselves as the foremost advocates of fascism in this nation. It is time to correctly apply the definitions of dictionaries and political scientists where they properly belong: Free Republic equals fascist advocacy.
Chris P. Bacon can be reached via e-mail at dickcheney4@hotmail.com. All Freeper quotations taken from this page.
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...and your point is...?
I smell smoke!
"The Freeper"? You people should lurk more before your zotting.
The record is 32 seconds, IIRC.
You missed the flash. It was a record breaking XOT.
"." GOPGuy, this is Random House¹s definition of socialism: "Socialism, n. A theory or system of social organization which advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production, capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole." How is it that socialism equals fascism under those definitions?"
Because it can only be achieved by using the force of government against any individual that doesn't want to have their personal property stolen.
Capitalism is the economic expression of individual liberty.
Socialism is the economic expression of bondage.
Haha...
Wow.
You took all that time to write this and went to all that trouble to post it and the end result is that you sound just like the babbling idiot that you are.
Job well done!
You can't have socialism/communism or any other form of coercive collectivism without the coersion. These forms of government/economy require authoritarianism - a dictatorship or a police state. Fascism sits comfortably with the other isms mentioned above. So take your isms and cram them.
That was quick. 
I just wish they would stick around long enough to debate their idealism...
Sheesh! Can't even get in before the ZOT anymore!!
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Yes, your Bacon is coming up Crispy with ZOT, ChrisP.Bacon.
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