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Genghis Khan: Father To Millions
Discovery News ^ | 6-22-2004 | Rossella Lorenzi

Posted on 06/22/2004 9:49:06 AM PDT by blam

Genghis Khan: Father to Millions?

By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News

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Statue of the Mongol Emperor

June 22, 2004 —Genghis Khan left a legacy shared by 16 million people alive today, according to a book by a Oxford geneticist who identified the Mongol emperor as the most successful alpha male in human history.

Regarded by the Mongolians as the father of their nation, Genghis Khan was born around 1162. A military and political genius, he united the tribes of Mongolia and conquered half of the known world with a cavalry riding on grass-fed ponies.

By the time Genghis died in 1227, his empire stretched from the Pacific coast of China to the Caspian Sea.

Bryan Sykes, professor of human genetics at Oxford University and author of "Adam's Curse," a study of the Y chromosome, believes Genghis's "super Y" chromosome survived and proliferated as far as the British Isles. He has just begun to check it at Oxford Ancestors, a leading provider of DNA-based services for use in personal ancestry research.

"We will offer British men genetic tests to see if they are Genghis's descendants. It is possible that the Mongol emperor's Y chromosome spread as far as the U.K. through gradual immigration from further East over the centuries," Sykes told Discovery News.

The genetic testing follows another Oxford study, which involved a survey of the Y chromosome — which is passed unchanged from father to son — from all over Central Asia.

The researchers found one Y chromosome fingerprint that was identical in eight percent of the male population.

"This was highly unusual and suggested that they may all have descended from one man living in the fairly recent past. By seeing what small changes had occurred, it was possible to estimate the time at which this common ancestor lived, and it was consistent with an origin in the 12th or 13th century," Sykes said.

Matching that evidence with the overlap between where the chromosome was abundant and the geographical extent of the Mongol empire established by Genghis Khan in the 12th century, the researchers concluded it was Genghis' chromosome.

The Mongol emperor's habit of killing the men and inseminating the women when his army conquered a new territory, coupled with handing the Empire and other wealth to his sons, and their sons, would explain how the chromosome came to such prevalence today, said Sykes.

The final piece of evidence came from the Hazara, a hill tribe in Pakistan who had a strong oral history of being descended from Genghis Khan.

"The Y chromosome was present in the Hazara, but not in the surrounding tribes, who did not have this oral history. Though the evidence is circumstantial, it is, I believe, very strong," Sykes said.

Finding Genghis Khan's tomb, one of the great secrets of all time, could provide the definitive evidence, leading to a direct comparison of Genghis' Y chromosome with those of modern men.

Sykes' hypothesis seems to be consistent with history, according to David Morgan, a Mongol history specialist at the University of Wisconsin.

"There's no reason to doubt that Genghis Khan fathered a good crop of children, if one is to believe the testimony of contemporaries," Morgan told Discovery News.


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1 posted on 06/22/2004 9:49:07 AM PDT by blam
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To: farmfriend
Probably closely related to these folks too:

The Curse Of The Red-Headed Mummy

2 posted on 06/22/2004 9:51:06 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Sow them oats.


3 posted on 06/22/2004 9:52:22 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: blam
Diggers May Have Found Genghis Khan's Tomb
4 posted on 06/22/2004 9:53:58 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I've heard that the Jewish name "Cohen" comes from "Khan" as well.


5 posted on 06/22/2004 9:55:03 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The New York Times: All the Lies that Fit the Socialist Agenda)
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To: blam

Is this a taxpayer funded study? (Oops, stupid question). Kahn made sure his burial site would never be found.


6 posted on 06/22/2004 9:55:27 AM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: blam

Ahhh Genghis. Where are you now that we really need you (in Iraq)?


7 posted on 06/22/2004 9:57:34 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: blam; Charles Henrickson; mikrofon; Constitution Day; Tijeras_Slim
Genghis Khan left a legacy shared by 16 million people alive today, according to a book by a Oxford geneticist who identified the Mongol emperor as the most successful alpha male in human history.

All that inbreeding doubtless led to some Mongoloids.

8 posted on 06/22/2004 10:06:13 AM PDT by martin_fierro (It MUST be true. I saw it on the Internet.)
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To: thoughtomator
"I've heard that the Jewish name "Cohen" comes from "Khan" as well."

I've read that it may relate to 'Han' too.

Christian Designs Found In Tomb Stones Of Eastern Han Dynasty

9 posted on 06/22/2004 10:07:41 AM PDT by blam
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To: thoughtomator
I've heard that the Jewish name "Cohen" comes from "Khan" as well.

It's true!

It means, "He Who Can Get Armor At The Friendly Price."

<|:)~

10 posted on 06/22/2004 10:07:48 AM PDT by martin_fierro (It MUST be true. I saw it on the Internet.)
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To: martin_fierro

That's a pretty offensive remark.


11 posted on 06/22/2004 10:08:46 AM PDT by JenB
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To: blam

"KHHHAAAAAANNNNN!!!!!"
William Shatner as Admiral James T. Kirk Star Trek II


12 posted on 06/22/2004 10:09:35 AM PDT by DM1
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To: JenB

Feh.


13 posted on 06/22/2004 10:11:24 AM PDT by martin_fierro (It MUST be true. I saw it on the Internet.)
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To: thoughtomator
I've heard that the Jewish name "Cohen" comes from "Khan" as well

No. "Cohen" is Hebrew for "priest." Those who bear the name "Cohen" are likely descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob... and Levi, not from Genghis Kahn.

14 posted on 06/22/2004 10:11:33 AM PDT by Guyin4Os (My name says Guyin40s but now I have an exotic, daring, new nickname..... Guyin50s)
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To: martin_fierro

If you used an ethnic slur as part of some joke, people would come down on you, you know.


15 posted on 06/22/2004 10:12:51 AM PDT by JenB
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To: blam

and inseminating the women when his army conquered a new territory

*** Now I've never heard rape being called 'inseminating' before... that's pretty new to me!


16 posted on 06/22/2004 10:15:33 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: blam

I wonder if James Cahn is related to Ghengis and Kubli? And what about Shaka Kahn? :o)


17 posted on 06/22/2004 10:15:53 AM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II)
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To: JenB

Not really. But it is hard to be offended while giggling.


18 posted on 06/22/2004 10:21:31 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways)
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To: ▀udda▀udd

Then I suppose you've never had that particular remark directed at someone you love. I don't care if it is a pun, it's a very insensitive word. If he'd made some sort of a pun featuring, oh, "Jap", would that be funny, too?


19 posted on 06/22/2004 10:28:38 AM PDT by JenB
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To: martin_fierro
More like ol' "Jenjis" (as John Kerry calls him) produced a lot of mongrels in seeding the gene pool from east to west...
20 posted on 06/22/2004 10:30:06 AM PDT by mikrofon (He had that Khan-do attitude)
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To: mikrofon; martin_fierro

I thought mongoloid was the old term for down's syndrome affected people.


21 posted on 06/22/2004 10:33:50 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: blam

Very interesting.

I suddenly crave Mongolian BBQ for lunch.


22 posted on 06/22/2004 10:38:17 AM PDT by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: blam

why you talk about me like that?


23 posted on 06/22/2004 10:40:46 AM PDT by genghis
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To: genghis

LOL


24 posted on 06/22/2004 10:44:37 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: blam

BTTT


25 posted on 06/22/2004 10:48:35 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: JenB
Please tell me what word he said was 'very insensitive'. Words are mere words young lady.
26 posted on 06/22/2004 10:52:50 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways)
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To: ▀udda▀udd

Mongoloid. It is a slur refering to people with Downs Syndrome. It's at least 50 years out of date and extremely offensive.


27 posted on 06/22/2004 10:57:17 AM PDT by JenB
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To: martin_fierro

Genghis brought home the bacon so no one knew...

28 posted on 06/22/2004 10:58:56 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (John Kerry - Not the Swiftest Boat in the Delta.)
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To: cyborg
*** Now I've never heard rape being called 'inseminating' before... that's pretty new to me!

Now now, we mustn't be judgmental. < /whining liberal>

"There's no reason to doubt that Genghis Khan fathered a good crop of children,

Fathered? Good crop? Good Grief!

29 posted on 06/22/2004 11:03:18 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Latine loqui coactus sum)
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To: thoughtomator
I've heard that the Jewish name "Cohen" comes from "Khan" as well.
Nope.
Go read the Bible. Kohanim were a priestly caste. These were the descenants of Aaron, the first High Priest. There have been Y-chromosome studies of self-proclaimed Cohens from Africa to Europe and India to Morrocco and America showing that most share the same male ancestor.

Now, it is possible that some Eastern European Jews with names like Kagan, Kaghan, or Kahn, have another root.
Some Ashkenazi Jews (although genetic data shows a small number) are desceneded from Khazars. In 740 CE, the Khagan Bek (the military/political leader of the Khazar Empire {khagan=Khan or Khans}) converted to Judaism along with a number of Khazar nobles.
30 posted on 06/22/2004 11:04:22 AM PDT by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: JenB

No offense intended, but I didn't know the term wasn't used any more. I thought it referred to some characteristics in the eye folds (among other physical characteristics) in those afflicted with Down's syndrome. As a kid I remember that term, not as a slur, but as the name more common than Down's syndrome.

Was I mistaken?


31 posted on 06/22/2004 11:04:48 AM PDT by YankeeGirl ("Gun control means hitting your target.")
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To: YankeeGirl

No you're not. Mongoloid was originally part of the race theory of human beings, and then it became associated with down's syndrome. Those afflicted with the condition often times took on the eye characteristics of 'Mongoloids'and as such today it's not used anymore because it's seen as offensive because you're associating mental disorder with a group of people.


32 posted on 06/22/2004 11:08:04 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: YankeeGirl

It may have been inoffensive once, but... it's really more in how it's used. People don't use "mongoloid" affectionately, they use it as a slur. Or as a way to objectify a person- "that mongoloid kid", something along those lines. The only people I've ever heard using the term were being offensive. It's like people who say "tard" to refer to someone who's mentally retarded.

If you used it in front of a friend or family member of someone who has Downs Syndrome, you'd either be politely educated, or slugged, depending on whether they thought you were being intentionally rude.


33 posted on 06/22/2004 11:12:12 AM PDT by JenB
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To: blam

Genghis Khan was a great man.

H establlished one of the world's first non-sectarin states - all religions were tolerated. As a matter of fact, some of the Khan's court and successors were Christians. He personally abolished the use of torture. He always made an overture of alliance to his enemies and only destroyed them when they refused and insulted his ambassadors. He was one of the first to grant envoys protected status.

Ghengis was a great man. WE, the U.S., could use someone like him now. If he were in charge Fallujah wopuld be toast, as would be Iran and Mr. Sadr and his followers.


34 posted on 06/22/2004 11:14:09 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: blam

Yeah but all his kids turned out to be Mongoloids....sorry.


35 posted on 06/22/2004 11:14:34 AM PDT by Right Wing Puppy (Bush is stronger than you think.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

In 800 years Clinton can have a legacy too.


36 posted on 06/22/2004 11:19:20 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: JenB
I responded to your reply to post #10. Dont drag me into another's post reply mistakenly. Is not Mongoloid is one of the 3 major races of mankind.

Where exactly in Pennsyltucky are you ? LOL , Lighten up !

37 posted on 06/22/2004 11:21:12 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways)
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To: Thinkin' Gal

LOL


38 posted on 06/22/2004 11:23:00 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: JenB

You know it's sometimes hard to keep up with what words are 'in' and what words are 'out'. Instead of jumping on Martin wouldn't it be better to assume he didn't know he was using an 'out' word? You could have explained it in your first post rather than getting angry. While you're at it, do you know why the word oriental is out and asian is in?


39 posted on 06/22/2004 11:23:15 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: blam

In the year 1999 (911)? and sept,
A great King of Terror will come from the sky.
He will bring back the great King Genghis Khan.
Before and after Mars rules happily. - Nostradamus


40 posted on 06/22/2004 11:23:40 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: blam

Everyone but Kravitz thinks he is full of crap.


41 posted on 06/22/2004 11:23:47 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (06/07/04 - 1000 days since 09/11/01)
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To: evets

My sister thinks it is President Bush.


42 posted on 06/22/2004 11:26:06 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: cyborg

Are you saying that your sister thinks that President Bush is Genghis Khan?


43 posted on 06/22/2004 11:31:53 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: ladyjane

I wasn't jumping on him, I was correcting him. That's why I didn't scream at him and say something rude, or call in the moderators.


44 posted on 06/22/2004 11:33:57 AM PDT by JenB
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To: evets

Don't know... I do know she wants to see Fahrenheit 911. She was locked up with snobby American students in Japan, and came back a real liberal. I should have her kidnapped and deprogrammed.


45 posted on 06/22/2004 11:34:18 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: ZULU

"He personally abolished the use of torture."

Somehow I find this hard to believe.


46 posted on 06/22/2004 11:35:51 AM PDT by Max Combined
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To: cyborg

Ha ha. I spoke to my sister last night. She's down on Bush as well. I use lot's of diplomacy with her, because it's mainly her liberal husband and friends twisting her mind.
You are a great conservative. I'm sure that you will be
succesful in helping your sister out. Good luck. : )
(p.s. I love your profile page on FR! God bless.)


47 posted on 06/22/2004 11:39:08 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: evets

Thanks :) Oh yeah one good thing... she's voting for Nader *lol*


48 posted on 06/22/2004 11:40:44 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: Max Combined

There is a new book out on the biography of Genghis Khan. He did ban the use of torture. He killed his enemies, he didn't torure them.

Unfortunately, some of his successors re-adopted this vicious practise.

Actually it was a great book. I can't remember the name of the author, but I pulled it out of the New Book section of my library last month.

Genghis Khan was a great man. He knew the secret of fighting and winning wars - kill you enemies as quickly and thoroughly as possible and always do the unexpected and attack from where least anticipated.

We need him in Iraq and Iran.


49 posted on 06/22/2004 11:42:34 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: cyborg
Well, she's not voting for Kerry. That's a good sign!

Nader and running mate Peter 'greeny' Camejo

Vote for me. I'm safe.

50 posted on 06/22/2004 11:46:16 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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