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NRA Director Sen. Larry Craig's Ammunition Ban Amendment
KeepAndBearArms.com ^ | February 26, 2004 | Angel Shamaya

Posted on 02/26/2004 11:15:11 PM PST by TERMINATTOR

While National Rifle Association officials have been denying that they've been orchestrating a sellout in the U.S. Senate, Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) -- an NRA Director -- has been working on an ammunition ban. On the Senate floor today, he introduced, discussed, defended and tried to justify the "Craig/Frist" amendment. This amendment, said Craig, is needed "to strengthen current armor piercing ammunition law." NRA's point-man in the U.S. Senate says that this is "what the law enforcement community needs."

"We don't want to wipe out the hunting and sporting ammunition," said Craig. The "sporting purpose" test was used before -- as justification for firearm rights infringements via the 1938 Nazi Weapons Law and later copied nearly verbatim in the U.S. Gun Control Act of 1968.

"Let's send a message that armor piercing ammunition is flat off limits," said Sen. Craig.

The NRA Director went on to support strong enforcement of his proposed ammunition ban, using phrases like "prison for life."

The Second Amendment does not enumerate the right of the people to keep and bear "sporting" arms. Banning any arms, or their ammunition, is clearly off limits to Congress. A longtime Director of the National Rifle Association ought to know that. Instead, he's supporting an ammo ban -- based on the infamous Nazi "sporting purpose" text -- on the floor of the U.S. Senate.

Some might suggest that it doesn't matter what gets said on the Senate floor -- that what matters is what gets signed into law. People who believe that ought to consider the dangers here. Once a "pro gun" congressman publicly expresses support for gun control -- ammunition control is indeed gun control -- he empowers the enemy and emboldens future attempts to whittle away our rights.

The truth about civilian possession of "armor piercing ammunition" is immutable, immovable, unchanging. If government employees can deploy AP ammo against the people, denying that same ammunition to the people is directly contradictory to the meaning, purpose and intent of the Second Amendment: a balance of power.

The excuse for banning AP ammo -- "to protect law enforcement employees" -- is a dangerous road to travel. It's the same justification used to ban magazines that hold more than ten rounds. It's the same reason given to deny The People free access to machineguns. It was the same foundation upon which the Clinton/Feinstein semi-auto rifle ban was built and signed into law.

When does that excuse stop working? When the legal magazine capacity is reduced to five rounds? When all semi-auto rifles are banned? When owning a bullet-resistant vest means life imprisonment -- unless the government signs your paycheck? When all handguns are banned?

If you use "protecting law enforcement" as justification to restrict the right of the people to keep and bear arms -- if you accept that unacceptable excuse for chipping away at the Second Amendment -- then lay down your arms and go tend your garden, catch up on your reading and forget about restoring the Second Amendment. There's no end to that excuse other than total disarmament -- because even a mere single shot .22 caliber rifle manufactured before World War One can be used to injure a law enforcement officer.

Bear in mind that Sen. Craig's ammo ban amendment is being offered today, by him -- to his own bill. The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (S1805) is written to protect gun manufacturers from the frivolous lawsuits being waged by those whose ultimate goal is to ban all firearms. The bill is being used as a rider for many other gun controls today and leading up to the final vote on Tuesday. Sen. Craig wants to amend his own bill -- with an ammunition ban -- under the guise of abiding his oath of office. He said so on C-SPAN, in plain English.

We've requested text of the Amendment (SA2625) from Senator Craig's office and through another Senator's office, as well. As soon as we have it, we will publish it.


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A proposed gun control amendment by the NRA to ban armor piercing ammunition, and "boil the frog".

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin; Historical Review of Pennsylvania

Molon Labe!

1 posted on 02/26/2004 11:15:12 PM PST by TERMINATTOR
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To: TERMINATTOR
We don't want to wipe out the hunting and sporting ammunition," said Craig (R-ID) -- an NRA Director

I believe he stole that line from Chuckie Schumer.

2 posted on 02/26/2004 11:19:06 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: *bang_list
Bang!
3 posted on 02/26/2004 11:20:22 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: TERMINATTOR
"We're from the NRA and we're here to help you."

Hmmmmmm where have I heard that before...
4 posted on 02/26/2004 11:22:20 PM PST by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: *bang_list

BANG!


5 posted on 02/26/2004 11:22:53 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Almost all centerfire rifle ammo will cut through kevlar like a knife through butter. What are the specifics of this bill?
6 posted on 02/26/2004 11:24:19 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: TERMINATTOR
The NRA and the Republicans have sold us out. Just like always. Yet we will support them as they continue to sell us out.

we ARE the frog being boiled.

7 posted on 02/26/2004 11:25:56 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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To: TERMINATTOR
What the **** are they snorting up there?

We cannot even count on our best friends at this time, unless we direct a plasma cutter's worth of heat toward their feet!

Disgusting!

We must set a new record for bringing pressure to bear on the senate, in support of a CLEAN bill, with NO amendments!
8 posted on 02/26/2004 11:26:02 PM PST by Richard-SIA (Nuke the U.N!)
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To: TERMINATTOR
*sigh* as usual at that particular website, they are unable to distinguish between the fact that someone can be an NRA member and *also* be a politician. I would submit that this article more thoroughly demonstrates said website's paranoia about the NRA generally than it does anything else... I have no idea why Sen. Craig introduced his particular ammendment but if one is going to pretend coincidence equals causality then it is equally likely that Sen. Craig's home state is to blame...of course it's equally likely neither one of them is to blame, but then there wouldn't be any reason for the NRA bashers to get all upset now, would there?
9 posted on 02/26/2004 11:26:06 PM PST by ahadams2 (Anglican Freeper Resource Page: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican/)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Nobody needs armor piercing rounds for hunting. On the other hand, the second amendment is not about the rights of hunters and target shooters.
10 posted on 02/26/2004 11:27:02 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Travis McGee
What are the specifics of this bill?

Don't know, but KABA requested the a copy of the text from Craig's office and will publish it as soon as they get it.

11 posted on 02/26/2004 11:28:50 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Paleo Conservative; yall
Nobody needs armor piercing rounds for hunting.
Paleo Conservative


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Two bits the real purpose is to ban all sales of surplus military ammo..
12 posted on 02/26/2004 11:33:36 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines conservatism; - not the GOP. .)
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To: Paleo Conservative
You miss the point, or the physics. Almost every centerfire rifle bullet used for hunting or target shooting is inherently "armor piercing" in terms of penetrating a standard LE kevlar vest. Always was.

Depending on how this is written now, and more importantly, how it is INTERPRETED BY ACTIVIST JUDGES later, almost all centerfire rifle ammo could be banned.


13 posted on 02/26/2004 11:33:41 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Republican traitors. They should check and see how many people vote for them primarily because they don't want Democrat style gun control before they go off half-cocked. The upcoming election is going to be about turnout.
14 posted on 02/26/2004 11:35:02 PM PST by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: tpaine
Two bits the real purpose is to ban all sales of surplus military ammo...

Very well could be. The Shoguns must be getting disturbed by all of the cases and cases of surplus ball ammo in 556, 762X39 and 308 getting shipped to mere peasants across the land. Must disturb them greatly.

15 posted on 02/26/2004 11:35:52 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
What are the specifics of this bill?



The text of SA2625 has not yet been received from GPO
Bills are generally sent to the Library of Congress from the Government Printing Office a day or two after they are introduced on the floor of the House or Senate. Delays can occur when there are a large number of bills to prepare or when a very large bill has to be printed.
16 posted on 02/26/2004 11:39:58 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: philetus
My worry: we will be assured the law is fine, no problem, won't affect our "sporting" ammo.

Then some DA will sue somebody for having some standard surplus ball ammo. He'll test fire some through a kevlar vest. "A-HA! GOTCHA!"

Compliant judges and gullible juries will agree: the "armor piercing" ammo falls under the law. Off to jail! Ban the "cop killer" rifle bullets!

"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!" ~~Chuck Schumer

17 posted on 02/26/2004 11:47:03 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: tpaine
Two bits the real purpose is to ban all sales of surplus military ammo..

Or, to turn the entire country into a "shotgun-only" zone for deer hunting, as is the bigger half (I did NOT say "better"!) of Michigan. Been that way for years. If you want to hunt South of a certain arbitrary line across the state, it's shotguns-only. That basically means getting up-close and personal with Mr. Bambi. A shotgun doesn't give you all that much more range than a bow, in the grand scheme of things.

This will of course cause the deer take to nosedive, because the closer you are to the deer, the more wary he is, and the harder he is to take. (A bit of a Catch-22 paradox inherent in the deal.)

It might be a good idea to point out the massive costs that will be incurred by the increased deer population that will be inevitable if they outlaw centerfire hunting ammunition.

Insurance rates will go up -- as will medical expenses, and time away from work, and, there will be a tragic loss of life. Deer are notorious for going over the hood, through the windshield, and into the car -- and then killing the occupants. No joke.

My wife hit a deer. Nicked it with the left headlight. It swung around into the driver-side door. Killed the deer. Wrecked the grille, fender, door, and warped the side of the car. Cost the insurance company a lot to repair (and there's been problems since, that ain't covered, of course). The damage looked minimal, since it was just a glancing blow, but the looks were deceptive.

That was a good car-deer accident. My wife was not injured, just shook up a lot, and the car wasn't totalled, although the ins. company did consider it for a while.

Bad car-deer wrecks happen all the time, and many lives are lost. Human lives.

It shouldn't be hard to cast this inevitable increase in deer population in a "for the children" light -- and what's more, it won't even be "spinning" it. It's the truth!

18 posted on 02/26/2004 11:50:31 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Sen. Kennedy then introduced an amendment to ban the manufacture and sale of "armor-piercing" ammunition. Kennedy, who actually condemned the .30-30 Winchester cartridge during debate, wants to institute a "performance-based" standard that would grant any future Attorney General sweeping authority to ban any center-fire ammunition, including most common-place rifle hunting ammunition. The standard proposed by Sen. Kennedy was rejected in the 1980s as overly broad and unnecessary to meet any threat posed to law enforcement officers` safety. A vote on this NRA-opposed amendment will take place Tuesday.
19 posted on 02/26/2004 11:50:58 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: Travis McGee
The pols and the elite a$$holes want badly to hurry forward their agenda, but they're scared.

Ya, they want all the guns, any way they can get them.
20 posted on 02/26/2004 11:53:24 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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