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Why Most "Ancient" Buildings are Fakes
YouTube ^ | April 12, 2024 | Garrett Ryan (as toldinstone)

Posted on 04/15/2024 10:41:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:06 The Forum and Colosseum
2:27 The Ara Pacis
3:24 Early restorations
4:37 Mondly
5:47 Roman forts and baths
6:42 Knossos
7:23 The Stoa of Attalus
8:59 The Acropolis
10:05 When to restore?
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·Introduction
0:08·Years ago, when I was a college student studying in Rome, I visited the Abbey of Monte Cassino.
0:15·I remember being impressed by my first sight of the building, poised on a steep hill against
0:19·an amphitheater of snow-dusted mountains.
0:22·I walked across the echoing cloister and entered the abbey church, which shone with baroque
0:28·splendor.
0:29·As I stood by the altar, looking up at the gilded ceiling, I had to remind myself that
0:34·it was all fake.
0:35·In February of 1944, assuming – wrongly – that German troops were stationed inside,
0:42·the allies dropped thousands of tons of high explosives on Monte Cassino, completely destroying
0:48·the Abbey.
0:49·After the war, it was rebuilt so comprehensively that a visitor who didn’t know otherwise
0:54·would assume that the abbey had remained unchanged for centuries.
0:58·When I returned to Rome, I began to notice how many of the city’s iconic ancient buildings
1:04·were also reconstructed.
1:05·The Temple of Vesta in the Roman Forum, for example, was destroyed during the Renaissance,
·The Forum and Colosseum
1:11·when workmen stripped its marble for re-use in St. Peter’s Basilica.
1:15·The structure we see today was built in 1930 with the few surviving fragments.
1:20·The Curia, the meeting place of the Roman Senate, was rebuilt around the same time.
1:25·It had served as a church for 13 centuries, and during that time part of the back wall,
1:31·the upper halves of both side walls, and large chunks of the façade had been lost.
1:37·Less than 50% of the building we see today is actually ancient.
1:42·Even less of the Arch of Titus is original.
1:45·When the monument was incorporated into a castle during the Middle Ages, the outer parts
1:49·of both piers were cut away, a tower was built on top, and a ramp was cut through the foundations.
1:56·The structure was so badly damaged that it had to be dismantled and painstakingly reassembled
2:02·in 1822, with travertine replacing its missing marble blocks.
2:07·Even the Colosseum has been substantially rebuilt.
2:10·During the 1830’s, Pope Gregory XVI remade a large part of the missing south side in
2:16·brick.
2:17·The only section of seating inside the amphitheater dates to a 1930’s restoration effort, and
2:22·huge parts of the hypogeum have been demolished and reconstructed.
·The Ara Pacis
2:27·Perhaps the most remarkable restored monument in Rome is the Ara Pacis.
2:32·Shattered by earthquakes and buried in waterlogged soil under the fragile foundations of a Renaissance
2:37·palazzo, this magnificent Augustan altar seemed impossible to excavate.
2:43·But in 1937, in a colossal feat of engineering that involved raising the overhanging palazzo
2:49·on concrete pilings and freezing the mud beneath, archaeologists dug down to the altar, recovered
2:55·its decorative elements, which had shattered into hundreds of fragments, and reassembled
3:00·them on a modern superstructure.
3:03·The Italian government did not invest millions in this project out of some abstract appreciation
3:08·for antiquity.
3:10·The Ara Pacis was reconstructed to serve as the centerpiece of a Fascist exposition that
3:15·celebrated the 2000th anniversary of Augustus’ birth – and hinted, none too subtly, that
3:21·Mussolini was the new Augustus.
·Early restorations
3:25·Ancient buildings have often been restored or rebuilt in the service of a political agenda.
3:30·Among the earliest examples are the restorations of the Theater of Pompey, Colosseum, and other
3:36·buildings in Rome by Theodoric in the sixth century to demonstrate his allegiance to the
3:41·Roman elite and Roman tradition.
3:43·During the Middle Ages, the citizens of Verona reconstructed parts of their Roman arena as
3:49·a symbol of civic pride.
3:52·In 1533, Francis I of France ordered the medieval neighborhood inside the Roman amphitheater
3:58·of Nimes to be cleared, so that one of the most imposing antiquities in his kingdom would
4:03·be returned to its original glory.
4:06·Henri IV of France, likewise, ordered the clearing of the amphitheater at Arles, and
4:11·commanded a Roman obelisk found nearby to be erected in its arena.
4:17·His contemporary Pope Sixtus V raised and moved a whole series of Roman obelisks, making
4:22·them focal points of new avenues that connected Rome’s pilgrimage churches.
4:28·This was just the beginning.
4:30·We’ll discuss the golden age of historical reconstruction after a brief word about this
4:35·[ad text redacted]
5:45·Returning to our topic.
5:46·During the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the new science of archaeology combined with
·Roman forts and baths
5:52·the rising spirit of nationalism to drive the reconstruction of many ruins.
5:58·One example is the Saalburg, a Roman fort near Bad Homburg, Germany that was reconstructed
6:03·at the turn of the twentieth century under the auspices of Kaiser Wilhelm II.
6:09·The Roman Baths in Bath, England, excavated and rebuilt between 1878 and 1883, are a product
6:16·of the same era.
6:18·In their case, however, the factor behind restoration was not nationalism, but tourism
6:24·– a gamble that paid off, as the hundreds of thousands who still visit the baths each
6:29·year attest.
6:31·With the advent of mass tourism in the second half of the twentieth century, enhancing visitor
6:35·experience became the single most important factor in the reconstruction of ancient buildings
6:40·and sites.
6:41·A well-known early example is the Palace of Minos at Knossos, restored by its excavator
·Knossos
6:47·Sir Arthur Evans.
6:48·Evans worked at Knossos from 1900 to 1931, uncovering the most impressive center of what
6:55·he dubbed the Minoan Civilization.
6:58·As more and more of the vast Bronze Age palace came to light, it became clear that the newly
7:04·excavated ruins needed to be consolidated and protected.
7:08·Evans’ solution, controversially, was to rebuild much of the palace in reinforced concrete.
7:15·Equally controversially, the restored interiors were painted with frescoes invented on the
7:20·basis of a few scattered fragments.
·The Stoa of Attalus
7:23·Some sites have been even more extensively reconstructed.
7:27·For modern visitors to Athens, the most prominent building in the Agora is the Stoa of Attalus.
7:33·Built in the second century BC, this long, two-story portico was destroyed by barbarian
7:38·raiders in late antiquity.
7:41·Little more than the back wall and foundations survived to be excavated.
7:46·Between 1953 and 1956, however, the American School of Classical Studies at Athens – with
7:53·generous financial assistance from John D. Rockefeller Jr. – reconstructed the stoa
7:58·as the agora museum.
7:59·The replica is as accurate as the archaeologists could make it.
8:04·Careful measurements were made of the existing ruins, and every available fragment was incorporated
8:09·into the structure.
8:10·Quarries were even opened in the hills around Athens, to ensure that the new stone would
8:15·match the old.
8:16·Only the design of the interior was modified, to accommodate the museum exhibits.
8:21·Besides its contribution to the experience of an important archaeological site and tourist
8:26·attraction, the reconstructed Stoa of Attalus was a clear symbol of American and Western
8:32·commitment at a time when Greece stood on the front lines of the Cold War.
8:37·It was also an expression of an older tradition – both western and Greek nationalist – that
8:42·privileged classical antiquity over all other periods.
8:46·The project’s American donors saw the new stoa as a monument to democracy, ancient and
8:52·modern.
8:53·Many Greek archaeologists, however, were inclined to interpret it as American colonialism.
8:58·The controversies of restoration are equally potent on the Athenian Acropolis.
·The Acropolis
9:04·Over the past two centuries, every structure on the Acropolis has been at least partially
9:09·rebuilt – initially in the service of Greek nationalism, and later to enhance the experience
9:15·of a site visited by millions of tourists.
9:19·The little Temple of Athena Nike has been completely dismantled and reconstructed three
9:23·times.
9:25·The Odeion of Herodes Atticus was comprehensively rebuilt in the 1950’s.
9:29·The Parthenon has been under reconstruction more or less continuously for more than a
9:35·half-century.
9:37·All of this work was undertaken with the aim of restoring the Acropolis to its ancient
9:41·glory.
9:42·In the process, everything later than the Roman period, along with virtually every trace
9:46·of soil, was stripped away, leaving those serially-restored buildings and monuments
9:53·isolated amid naked rock.
9:56·The Acropolis we see today, many archaeologists have complained, never existed.
10:01·It is not restored; it has been invented.
·When to restore?
10:05·This is the heart of the controversy over the reconstruction of ancient buildings.
10:10·Beyond the practical details – how much of the structure to reconstitute, the materials
10:15·to use, etc. – the restorers have to make decisions about the purposes of their project.
10:22·Is it meant to help visitors understand a place or time?
10:25·Is it meant to be beautiful?
10:27·Is it meant to suggest connections between the past and the present?
10:32·Whose past, and whose present?

1 posted on 04/15/2024 10:41:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

The Japanese built with wood and stone until the importation of western methods 150 years ago. There isn’t a single “original” building from before that time, except for the keyhole tombs in the Osaka region, and I’m sure there’s been some reconstruction there as well.


2 posted on 04/15/2024 10:46:41 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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3 posted on 04/15/2024 10:46:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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4 posted on 04/15/2024 10:47:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

We’ve been lied to? Who would have thought?


6 posted on 04/15/2024 10:51:26 AM PDT by waterhill (Gonoonqua)
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To: SunkenCiv

We’ve been lied to? Who would have thought?


7 posted on 04/15/2024 10:52:17 AM PDT by waterhill (Gonoonqua)
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To: SunkenCiv

Calling restored antiquities “fakes” is a seriously tortured definition. Especially since in many cases it’s impossible to delineate where restoration ends and preservation begins.

They’ve cleaned the effects of urban pollution off Michelangelo’s Sistine ceiling a number of times. Does that make it “fake,” too?


8 posted on 04/15/2024 11:01:21 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: waterhill

We heard you the first two times.


9 posted on 04/15/2024 11:01:31 AM PDT by BipolarBob (The phone, the TV and the news of the world got in the house like a pigeon from hell)
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To: SunkenCiv

Years ago, when I was a college student studying in Rome, I visited the Abbey of Monte Cassino. I remember being impressed by my first sight of the building, poised on a steep hill against an amphitheater of snow-dusted mountains. I walked across the echoing cloister and entered the abbey church, which shone with baroque splendor. As I stood by the altar, looking up at the gilded ceiling, I had to remind myself that it was all fake.

In February of 1944, assuming – wrongly – that German troops were stationed inside, the allies dropped thousands of tons of high explosives on Monte Cassino, completely destroying the Abbey. After the war, it was rebuilt so comprehensively that a visitor who didn’t know otherwise would assume that the abbey had remained unchanged for centuries.

When I returned to Rome, I began to notice how many of the city’s iconic ancient buildings were also reconstructed. The Temple of Vesta in the Roman Forum, for example, was destroyed during the Renaissance when workmen stripped its marble for re-use in St. Peter’s Basilica. The structure we see today was built in 1930 with the few surviving fragments.

The Curia, the meeting place of the Roman Senate, was rebuilt around the same time. It had served as a church for 13 centuries, and during that time part of the back wall, the upper halves of both side walls, and large chunks of the façade had been lost. Less than 50% of the building we see today is actually ancient. Even less of the Arch of Titus is original. When the monument was incorporated into a castle during the Middle Ages, the outer parts of both piers were cut away, a tower was built on top, and a ramp was cut through the foundations. The structure was so badly damaged that it had to be dismantled and painstakingly reassembled in 1822, with travertine replacing its missing marble blocks. Even the Colosseum has been substantially rebuilt. During the 1830s, Pope Gregory XVI remade a large part of the missing south side in brick. The only section of seating inside the amphitheater dates to a 1930s restoration effort, and huge parts of the hypogeum have been demolished and reconstructed.

Perhaps the most remarkable restored monument in Rome is the Ara Pacis. Shattered by earthquakes and buried in waterlogged soil under the fragile foundations of a Renaissance palazzo, this magnificent Augustan altar seemed impossible to excavate. But in 1937, in a colossal feat of engineering that involved raising the overhanging palazzo on concrete pilings and freezing the mud beneath, archaeologists dug down to the altar, recovered its decorative elements, which had shattered into hundreds of fragments, and reassembled them on a modern superstructure. The Italian government did not invest millions in this project out of some abstract appreciation for antiquity. The Ara Pacis was reconstructed to serve as the centerpiece of a Fascist exposition that celebrated the 2000th anniversary of Augustus’ birth – and hinted, none too subtly, that Mussolini was the new Augustus.

Ancient buildings have often been restored or rebuilt in the service of a political agenda. Among the earliest examples are the restorations of the Theater of Pompey, Colosseum, and other buildings in Rome by Theodoric in the sixth century to demonstrate his allegiance to the Roman elite and Roman tradition. During the Middle Ages, the citizens of Verona reconstructed parts of their Roman arena as a symbol of civic pride. In 1533, Francis I of France ordered the medieval neighborhood inside the Roman amphitheater of Nimes to be cleared, so that one of the most imposing antiquities in his kingdom would be returned to its original glory. Henri IV of France, likewise, ordered the clearing of the amphitheater at Arles and commanded a Roman obelisk found nearby to be erected in its arena. His contemporary Pope Sixtus V raised and moved a whole series of Roman obelisks, making them focal points of new avenues that connected Rome’s pilgrimage churches. This was just the beginning.

During the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the new science of archaeology combined with the rising spirit of nationalism to drive the reconstruction of many ruins. One example is the Saalburg, a Roman fort near Bad Homburg, Germany that was reconstructed at the turn of the twentieth century under the auspices of Kaiser Wilhelm II. The Roman Baths in Bath, England, excavated and rebuilt between 1878 and 1883, are a product of the same era. In their case, however, the factor behind restoration was not nationalism, but tourism – a gamble that paid off, as the hundreds of thousands who still visit the baths each year attest. With the advent of mass tourism in the second half of the twentieth century, enhancing visitor experience became the single most important factor in the reconstruction of ancient buildings and sites. A well-known early example is the Palace of Minos at Knossos, restored by its excavator Sir Arthur Evans. Evans worked at Knossos from 1900 to 1931, uncovering the most impressive center of what he dubbed the Minoan Civilization. As more and more of the vast Bronze Age palace came to light, it became clear that the newly excavated ruins needed to be consolidated and protected. Evans’ solution, controversially, was to rebuild much of the palace in reinforced concrete. Equally controversially, the restored interiors were painted with frescoes invented on the basis of a few scattered fragments.

Some sites have been even more extensively reconstructed. For modern visitors to Athens, the most prominent building in the Agora is the Stoa of Attalus. Built in the second century BC, this long, two-story portico was destroyed by barbarian raiders in late antiquity. Little more than the back wall and foundations survived to be excavated. Between 1953 and 1956, however, the American School of Classical Studies at Athens – with generous financial assistance from John D. Rockefeller Jr. – reconstructed the stoa as the agora museum. The replica is as accurate as the archaeologists could make it. Careful measurements were made of the existing ruins, and every available fragment was incorporated into the structure. Quarries were even opened in the hills around Athens, to ensure that the new stone would match the old. Only the design of the interior was modified, to accommodate the museum exhibits. Besides its contribution to the experience of an important archaeological site and tourist attraction, the reconstructed Stoa of Attalus was a clear symbol of American and Western commitment at a time when Greece stood on the front lines of the Cold War. It was also an expression of an older tradition – both western and Greek nationalist – that privileged classical antiquity over all other periods. The project’s American donors saw the new stoa as a monument to democracy, ancient and modern. Many Greek archaeologists, however, were inclined to interpret it as American colonialism.

The controversies of restoration are equally potent on the Athenian Acropolis. Over the past two centuries, every structure on the Acropolis has been at least partially rebuilt – initially in the service of Greek nationalism, and later to enhance the experience of a site visited by millions of tourists. The little Temple of Athena Nike has been completely dismantled and reconstructed three times. The Odeion of Herodes Atticus was comprehensively rebuilt in the 1950s. The Parthenon has been under reconstruction more


10 posted on 04/15/2024 11:01:43 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: All

This so much reminds me of my home burglary. I dutifully turned it in to the police but they had a hard believing my story. Someone stole all of my furniture, tvs and everything else and replaced it with identical looking copies. It beats anything I ever seen. Who would go to that much trouble?


11 posted on 04/15/2024 11:05:14 AM PDT by BipolarBob (The phone, the TV and the news of the world got in the house like a pigeon from hell)
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To: SunkenCiv

Kit-Car


12 posted on 04/15/2024 11:05:24 AM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by 🙏 the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite warriors. 10.5.6.5 These Days)
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To: MNDude

Thanks MND.


13 posted on 04/15/2024 11:06:20 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: waterhill

At least three times, apparently.


14 posted on 04/15/2024 11:06:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: Paal Gulli

No, it’s not.

The only complaints about the cleaning of the Sistine frescoes came from academics who’d taught for generations that the soot and other crud that had accumulated was original, and intended by Michelangelo. One look at his Doni Tondo would show that the cleaned version shows his intent.


15 posted on 04/15/2024 11:11:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: MNDude

these buildings are not fakes.

They are restorations of beloved buildings damaged by wars or floods.

dont buy into leftist notions that Western civ is based on FAKE.


16 posted on 04/15/2024 11:11:45 AM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: chajin

“This is my grandfather’s axe. The handle has been replaced five times and the blade three times. But this is my grandfather’s axe.” *A dwarf character in a Terry Pratchett story.


17 posted on 04/15/2024 11:18:53 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: MNDude

Thank you for a marvelous compendium of info.

Personally, I prefer having the ruins of the Parthenon on the acropolis and the to-scale reproduction in Nashville, so that if you want to feel what it was like you go to TN, and if you want to see what is, you go to Athens.


18 posted on 04/15/2024 11:20:00 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Gen.Blather
This is my grandfather’s axe

I have my grandfather's pocket watch, a 110yo Elgin. The innards has new parts, and one of the watch arms (I think it's the hour hand) comes from another watch, but it's still his watch, and it works. My great-grandchild, when I get one, will be completely unable to tell time with it.

19 posted on 04/15/2024 11:23:01 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: BipolarBob

I arrived late so I only heard the third time.


20 posted on 04/15/2024 11:26:31 AM PDT by Cold_Red_Steel
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