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Fight over dinosaur fossils comes down to what’s a mineral
Associated Press ^ | November 16, 2018 | Amy Beth Hanson

Posted on 11/16/2018 2:04:02 PM PST by Olog-hai

About 66 million years after two dinosaurs died apparently locked in battle on the plains of modern-day Montana, an unusual fight over who owns the entangled fossils has become a multimillion-dollar issue that hinges on the legal definition of “mineral.”

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled last week that the “Dueling Dinosaurs” located on private land are minerals both scientifically and under mineral rights laws. The fossils belong both to the owners of the property where they were found and two brothers who kept two-thirds of the mineral rights to the land once owned by their father, a three-judge panel said in a split decision.

Eric Edward Nord, an attorney for the property owners, said the case is complex in dealing with who owns what’s on top of land vs. the minerals that make it up and addresses a unique question of mineral rights law related to dinosaur fossils that no court in the country has taken up before. His clients own part of a ranch in the Hell Creek Formation of eastern Montana that’s rich with prehistoric fossils, including the Dueling Dinosaurs whose value had been appraised at $7 million to $9 million.

Lige and Mary Ann Murray bought it from George Severson, who also transferred part of his interest in the ranch to his sons, Jerry and Robert Severson. In 2005, the brothers sold their surface rights to the Murrays, but retained the mineral rights, court documents said. […]

A dispute arose in 2008 when the Seversons learned about the fossils — a 22-foot-long (7-meter-long) theropod and a 28-foot-long (9-meter-long) ceratopsian. …

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.com ...


TOPICS: History; Local News; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: 9thcircuitcourt; ceratopsian; dinosaurs; duelingdinosaurs; godsgravesglyphs; hellcreekformation; minerals; montana; paleontology; theropod
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1 posted on 11/16/2018 2:04:02 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Image result for hank schrader its a minerals meme
2 posted on 11/16/2018 2:06:49 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: SunkenCiv

*ping*


3 posted on 11/16/2018 2:08:33 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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To: Olog-hai

A bone of contention?....................


4 posted on 11/16/2018 2:09:03 PM PST by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: Olog-hai

Well, at least they aren’t vegetable.


5 posted on 11/16/2018 2:10:30 PM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: Red Badger

lol

Maybe some day some odd creatures will be fighting over my fossil :)

(that just leaves me open to all kinds of jokes)


6 posted on 11/16/2018 2:12:47 PM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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7 posted on 11/16/2018 2:13:04 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

It’s neither animal or vegetable. Next question.


8 posted on 11/16/2018 2:21:59 PM PST by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #cishet #MyPresident #MAGA #Winning #covfefe)
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To: Olog-hai

I’m afraid that like the ruling that declared tomatoes to be vegetables, you have to look to the intent of the law. Yes, the dinosaur bones are COMPOSED of minerals, but no, their value is not the value of the MINERALS, but of their form.


9 posted on 11/16/2018 2:35:06 PM PST by dangus ("The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" -- St. Athanasius)
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To: Olog-hai

Said Bones to the Captain; “They’re dead, Jim”

Still it does bring a smile to my face, being familiar with the US West and the separability of mineral rights from surface rights. I recall an apocryphal story that had an easterner buy a small 10 acre piece to retire on. Wakes one morning to a knock and a request for some ‘people’ to come on the lot. Asking why, the reply is oil, he gets excited and asks what is it worth to me? Sad reply, we pay you for access to the property, the mineral rights aren’t yours and so sorry, no dollar$.


10 posted on 11/16/2018 2:43:46 PM PST by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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To: Olog-hai

Two old fossils were fighting in Montana?

I thought Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters didn’t like flyover country.


11 posted on 11/16/2018 2:45:51 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Olog-hai

Those guys are amateurs! Here are the real pros!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_Wars


12 posted on 11/16/2018 2:49:10 PM PST by Reily
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To: Olog-hai; SunkenCiv

Animal, vegetable, or mineral?


13 posted on 11/16/2018 2:55:45 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: Olog-hai

Be fair, split it in half length wise.


14 posted on 11/16/2018 3:13:53 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: a fool in paradise; fieldmarshaldj; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; ...
Thanks a fool in paradise and fieldmarshaldj.

15 posted on 11/17/2018 12:16:54 AM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Too late to add anything more than that.

:D


16 posted on 11/17/2018 12:19:12 AM PST by Salamander (My Soul's On Fire...)
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To: a fool in paradise

Beats me. But they’re both bigger than a breadbox.


17 posted on 11/17/2018 3:15:33 AM PST by 21twelve (!)
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To: dangus

brings up the question, could someone quarry all of the surface mass from your property down say 50 feet and leave you with nothing but a deep hole in the ground?

“people wanted your limestone, dirt, etc...”


18 posted on 11/17/2018 3:24:07 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committtee)
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To: a fool in paradise

I’d be wary of a bad contract, but I think the point is that the mineral extraction can’t deprive you of the use of the property


19 posted on 11/17/2018 5:51:53 AM PST by dangus ("The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" -- St. Athanasius)
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To: NonValueAdded

Au contraire mi Amigo ( a little frog mex lingo there)........ without question, the fossils are animal.

The calcium rich bones mineralized over time to become rock.

That being the fact of the matter, mineral rights apply to the ownership


20 posted on 11/17/2018 6:06:32 AM PST by bert ((KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Invade Honduras. Provide a military government)
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