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Why Did FDR Fail to Relieve MacArthur and 151,000 Troops Fighting the Japanese in the Philippines?
Breitbart ^ | 4 Aug 2013 | Diana West

Posted on 08/04/2013 10:54:44 AM PDT by cutty

According to Soviet intelligence reports, we now know that one of FDR’s top officials, the Treasury Department’s Harry Dexter White, was a Soviet agent, who, among many other deceptions, subverted relations between the US and Japan by inserting “ultimatum” language into the cable flow that actually spurred the Japanese attack. This was language written in Moscow, passed to White by a Soviet handler in Washington, D.C., and dropped into a State Department communiqué sent to Japan.

This brilliantly executed influence operation doesn’t live in infamy – at least not yet.

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“A continuous stream of fighter and pursuit planes is traversing the Pacific,” FDR cabled MacArthur is early 1942, one of the extravagant lies FDR told to the people and forces under Japanese siege. No planes were on their way. Nothing was coming. .. Truth, John Hersey later wrote, would come “in mean little doses.”

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the US continued to sustain catastrophic losses while shipping Lend Lease supplies to Stalin through the Nazi U-boat-infested North Atlantic.

Could the decision to abandon US forces to death or the horrors of Japanese POW camps by giving uninterrupted priority to the Red Army have had anything to do with the influence of the scores of Soviet agents and assets within reach of the levers of power inside the US government? How about the man driving military supply policy, the man behind Lend Lease?

That man was Harry Hopkins and he was without question FDR’s top wartime advisor. As George Marshall would state in 1957 to his official biographer Forrest Pogue: “Hopkins’s job with the president was to represent the Russian interests. My job was to represent the American interests.”

Was Hopkins representing Russian interests at a time of American need?

Who was Harry Hopkins?

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: agitprop; douglasmacarthur; fdr; forrestpogue; georgemarshall; harrydexterwhite; harryhopkins; hopkins; japan; japanese; johnhersey; macarthur; macarthursucked; marshall; pearlharbor; philippines; presidents; randsconcerntrolls; rinokeywordcowards; russia; sovietunion; spy; stalin; ussr; waronterror; wwii
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1 posted on 08/04/2013 10:54:44 AM PDT by cutty
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To: cutty

The lack of an education in history renders people susceptible to the most egregious nonsense.


2 posted on 08/04/2013 11:03:16 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: cutty

Looking forward to the next installment!


3 posted on 08/04/2013 11:08:45 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("When there is no penalty for failure, failures proliferate." George F. Will)
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To: cutty

Damning statement by Marshall.


4 posted on 08/04/2013 11:09:16 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: cutty
I think MacArthur's ego may have also had something to do with it..he underestimated the strength of the Japanese in the Philippines both in 1941-2 and again in 1944-45..
5 posted on 08/04/2013 11:09:17 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Hoplite

I am so glad to see this get attention. I have run accross so many people who are willing to denigrate MacArthur, calling him “Dugout Doug” and the such; but refuse to believe a word when I discuss how Saint Roosevelt broke numerous promises to the General and abandoned our troops in the Philippines!


6 posted on 08/04/2013 11:10:21 AM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: cutty
As George Marshall would state in 1957 to his official biographer Forrest Pogue: “Hopkins’s job with the president was to represent the Russian interests. My job was to represent the American interests.”

I think I would trust General Marshall before I would trust Hopkins.

7 posted on 08/04/2013 11:11:08 AM PDT by Mark17 (Yesterday I couldn't spell it. Today I are one, a creepy a$$ cracker)
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To: cutty

The size of the US Military at the outbreak of WWII and the long supply distance were the biggest reasons the Philippines couldn’t be held onto or reinforced. There was a lack of combat ready troops when the war broke out and the US Navy had been devastated at Pearl Harbor.


8 posted on 08/04/2013 11:13:01 AM PDT by Wiggins
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To: cutty

The cable story makes no sense. The Soviets feared that if Japan became involved in the broader war, they would probably be forced to fight the Japanese. What is interesting is why did Hitler declare war on the US but did not demand Japan declare war on the Soviets? Hubris or just another monumental German blunder?


9 posted on 08/04/2013 11:13:13 AM PDT by allendale
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To: cutty

I suspect there were many, many little bits of treason by embedded Soviet agents during all of FDR’s reign.


10 posted on 08/04/2013 11:13:20 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: cutty

I despise FDR; we was an enemy of the US


11 posted on 08/04/2013 11:16:12 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: cutty

Logistics probably is the answer. The US was fighting wars on both sides of the world.


12 posted on 08/04/2013 11:16:19 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: cutty

Not a lack of education in history but history as told by the leftist/communist/communist sympathizers/dupes etc in academia, media, entertainment,politics,et al. it’s been a constant since the 1930’s


13 posted on 08/04/2013 11:16:27 AM PDT by capt B
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To: cutty

he was an enemy of the US


14 posted on 08/04/2013 11:17:25 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: cutty
Relieve them with what? A Pacific Fleet that had mostly been turned into smoldering scrap at Pearl Harbor? A massive army we didn't yet have? A manufacturing base still largely idled by The Depression? The ‘’Battling Bastards of Bataan/ No Mama, No Papa/No Uncle Sam’’ were sacrificed on the altar of ‘’The New Deal’’. FDR, the granddaddy of the welfare state gutted the military in favor of entitlement spending and ignored the growing threat of rising German nationalist expansionism in Europe and Imperialist Japanese expansionism in Asia, believing that material embargoes and strongly worded denouncements from The League of Nations would check fascist aggression. To be fair FDR isn't entirely to blame. The appeasement by England and France added to the delusion of reigning in Hitler and Tojo. The fall of the Philippines, the desperate defense of Corregidor and the horror of The Bataan Death March are a sad and trenchant example of the folly of military unpreparedness for any great nation.
15 posted on 08/04/2013 11:18:09 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

bump


16 posted on 08/04/2013 11:19:20 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Wiggins

I think the Philippines is closer than Russia


17 posted on 08/04/2013 11:19:42 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: cutty

wow..pure treachery...


18 posted on 08/04/2013 11:20:14 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Mark17

Trust Marshall before Hopkins. Marshall was a Hopkins(communist agent) appointee, jumping over many senior officers to his position.


19 posted on 08/04/2013 11:20:47 AM PDT by capt B
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To: Wiggins
I agree. Also worth noting is the fact that the leadership of the US Navy at the beginning of WWII was abysmal. We hadn't fought a fleet action in over 50 years, our own commanders didn't know how their ships, weapons or men would perform in combat and above all, our officers were too cautious.

Note the non-relief of Wake Island, the performance of the ABDA command in Indonesian waters and the torpedo problem our submarines faced.

No way the US Nave of 1941 would have cut through to the Philippines.

20 posted on 08/04/2013 11:22:56 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
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To: jmacusa

an” example of the folly of military unpreparedness for any great nation”

We seemed doomed to repeat the mistakes of the 1930’s today lead by the the Liberal Dims and the Liberaltarian GOP...


21 posted on 08/04/2013 11:23:31 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Hoplite
“History is a set of lies agreed upon.” ― Napoleon Bonaparte
22 posted on 08/04/2013 11:24:53 AM PDT by abb
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To: yldstrk
I think the Philippines is closer than Russia

So do I.

23 posted on 08/04/2013 11:24:55 AM PDT by Wiggins
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To: GeronL

The war in Europe had not yet started. Our military was cut to nothing after WWI. Our troops had little to train with and little to no equipment.

The fighters in the Philippines were biplanes.


24 posted on 08/04/2013 11:25:12 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: cutty

Could be because the heart of our Pacific fleet was sitting on the bottom of Pearl Harbor.


25 posted on 08/04/2013 11:28:01 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: jmacusa
The fall of the Philippines, the desperate defense of Corregidor and the horror of The Bataan Death March are a sad and trenchant example of the folly of military unpreparedness for any great nation.

My uncle, who I was named after, died on the Bataan death march. I have been to the Philippines many times, and I am about to retire there soon. Not Bataan, but New Bataan.

26 posted on 08/04/2013 11:33:02 AM PDT by Mark17 (Yesterday I couldn't spell it. Today I are one, a creepy a$$ cracker)
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To: jmacusa

If there was no expectation of victory then they should have evacuated as many as possible to Australia. They let these men fight to the death for no reason.


27 posted on 08/04/2013 11:33:39 AM PDT by DManA
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To: cutty

I suppose you would think if we were going to force an economic embargo on Japan, and that we were well aware that they would eventually attack SE Asia, that we would have made some preparations in our only territory in the area to defend it?

Like what was FDR thinking that Japan would do? Give up?


28 posted on 08/04/2013 11:33:41 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: allendale
What is interesting is why did Hitler declare war on the US but did not demand Japan declare war on the Soviets? Hubris or just another monumental German blunder?

Looking back, it appears that Hitler made a monumental mistake in declaring war on the United States, but you have to remember that up until WWII, no country had ever fought a two-front war and won. The Germans were keenly aware of this and I believe Hitler thought that declaring war on the United States was a low risk move because the United States would focus exclusively on fighting Japan. Moreover, Hitler thought that by declaring war on the United States, he was encouraging the Japanese to go all out against the United States and thereby keeping the United States tied down in the Pacific, which was his goal

After Pearl Harbor, what no one expected was for FDR to focus America on defeating Germany rather than devoting all of America's resource to fighting Japan. No one, except Americans, could understand how economically powerful the United States was. And when you look from a pre-WWII perspective, it really was beyond belief that the United States was able to fight a global war on 2 fronts and win on both fronts. Simply put, that was thought to be an impossible feat.

29 posted on 08/04/2013 11:34:05 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: yldstrk

I still think Roosevelt set us up at Pearl Harbor.

But then I also believe that Obama sent 20 some Seals to their death to quiet Al Qaeda. I slo believe he is holding out on giving the victims of Ft. Hood their deserved purple hearts , because he doesn’t want to admit his Muslim friends are in our military.


30 posted on 08/04/2013 11:34:38 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: cutty

The US lacked the capability to get significant aid through to MacArthur after the Japanese attack. And only 10 convoys sailed for arctic Russia between the initial Japanese attack and the fall of Corregidor. (Some non-military aid went via the Pacific. The route through Iran wouldn’t have been a factor at this point).

As far as moving transport from the Atlantic to the Pacific (ignoring the fact that anything that got to Philippines would have been chopped up by the IJN), let’s look at the Yorktown - certainly slow cargo ships couldn’t have been moved any more quickly - it took almost two full months to get it from Norfolk to Samoa. So you’d need to allow at least to sometime in February to have gotten significant reinforcements to the western Pacific. The joint force was still holding on Bataan at that point, but the battle was not winnable.


31 posted on 08/04/2013 11:35:46 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: cutty

Recommended Reading on this subject:
http://www.amazon.com/American-Betrayal-Assault-Nations-Character/dp/0312630786/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=3QEHOQMYACE8C&coliid=I16RNBDPZLJRND AND:
http://www.amazon.com/Operation-Snow-Soviet-Triggered-Harbor/dp/B00D9TE32A/ref=pd_sim_b_9


32 posted on 08/04/2013 11:36:50 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

I agree with you also. Admiral Pie recalled the Wake Island relief force and also was over cautious during the battle of Midway. About your point regarding the U.S. Navy not being ready or able to cut through to the Philippines I agree with you on that point too. Look also at the U.S. Navy losses in the Solomon Islands in 1942. There were several American Naval blunders that almost ended that campaign in the Japanese favor. One of the biggest blunders resulted in five us cruisers being sunk in one battle. The biggest blunder though belonged to Japanese Admiral Mikawa who could have ended the campaign but withdrew for out of fear of other US forces that weren’t even in the area.


33 posted on 08/04/2013 11:40:25 AM PDT by Wiggins
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To: allendale

Most of WWII was a Euro-Centric war-— and you can see this in the various TV histories that for the most part ignore the Pacific theater.

FDR and his euro-socialist pals focused on Europe— because of the Brits. The Ribbentrop Molotov pact was broken by Hitler in June 1941. Pearl Harbor attack in Dec. 41. Stalin— who was a psychopath and could not see another one in hitler— was stranded— then to be our “ally” of sorts.

There is excellent info on the Jap ambassador to Berlin—and his close relations with Hitler on the subject of why no demand japs declare against the Sovs. The matters in the Ukraine, white russians came into the mix.

The whole thing makes sense when one realizes the level of penetration (the cambridge 5 et al in Brit govt. who all worked for the soviets). Agents in place steered the war effort to help soviets. Japs were already in Manchuria (Manchukuo) and on the soviet border. The Brits made sure the US entered the war-— many threads on this one now declassified story of the jap codes and purposeful deception of the Brits (who were, remember compromised by stalin).

To counteract this— the rewritten soviet “meme” is that FDR callously let the soviets slug it out vs. the Germans on the Eastern Front to save US lives. FDR being the genius and all, more likely... a patriot got between Dexter White and Hopkins et al. so they couldn’t push the Southern front invasion sites instead of Normandy. Patriots like the FBI maybe who knew White and Hopkins were bent.


34 posted on 08/04/2013 11:44:48 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Venturer

I don’t think he set it up. I think All of the Allies were headed by blithering political idiots at first.

Even the Axis nations could not believe how stupid France/UK was when it came to Poland, Czechoslovakia, Austria, Norway, the Ardennes and the Maginot Line not running all the way to the sea. Or even how Stalin destroyed his own army through purges and thought Hitler was trustworthy.

Let’s no even get started on The British and Singapore.


35 posted on 08/04/2013 11:50:15 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: allendale

May I suggest you grab a copy of John Koster’s recent “Operation Snow” which documents the post Soviet records showing how White forced the Japanese attack and war entry at Soviet direction.

This had been covered in asian reporting but not here and his heavily documented book was ignored in the press.

The Soviet spies and moles in the FDR team caused the Japanese to feel that they had no choice but make war.


36 posted on 08/04/2013 11:50:34 AM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.)
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To: Venturer

see my post #36


37 posted on 08/04/2013 11:52:15 AM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.)
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To: DownInFlames

The fighters were P-35s and early P-40s with a few of the newer E models,not Biplanes. The Philippine airforce was flying Boeing P-26s at the time of the attack.


38 posted on 08/04/2013 11:53:10 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: yldstrk; Wiggins
I think the Philippines is closer than Russia

3854 air miles Boston - Murmansk

6661 air miles Seattle to Manila

Sea miles would be higher for each, but it isn't even close.
You all need to get new globes.

39 posted on 08/04/2013 11:55:17 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: jmacusa

Heck with the Philippines, they didn’t have s significant force in California after Pearl Harbor. Patton wrote that the few obsolescent tanks he had would have met a Japanese invasion at the beaches. Only after the scare passed did he learn that they had no main gun ammunition.


40 posted on 08/04/2013 11:55:25 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: DManA

The military forces would have been annihilated during an evacuation to the south. The Philippines to Australia is not Dunkirk to Dover.


41 posted on 08/04/2013 11:57:28 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: jmacusa

Agree with you. And remember the Brit and French appeasers were actually hitler supporters- Chamberlain’s pals in parliament of whom many were pro-nazis. Later the Vichy French and the British Union of Fascists, and the closeted Brit pro-nazi aristos (like the Duke of Wales who thought hitler was great).

It was actually turned “patriotic” for Brit commies to be fighting the nazis— and this is how the agents in place for Stalin stayed in place.

FDR was all about control of the nation by his dictatorship- welfare state that could not be supported. He was glad to give the ultimate distraction that continued ton enrich his socialist pals— getting the poor survivors of the Depression into uniform to fight a World War. There is a danger of picking up the Comintern’s line on this war in saying this— but it is largely true. FDR was appalling- and never forget the Rockefellers supported him even as they made millions off slave labor in partnership with Ruhr valley German industrialists.


42 posted on 08/04/2013 11:58:45 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: PAR35

Yea, I know I was thinking about Alaska and forgetting about it not being a state back then.


43 posted on 08/04/2013 11:59:06 AM PDT by Wiggins
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To: John S Mosby; vbmoneyspender

No doubt that all of Britain, the Soviet Union and communists everywhere wanted the US to enter the war against the German juggernaut that threatened both Russia and Britain. No doubt Britain had cracked the Japanese code, knew that Pearl Harbor would be attacked, and withheld the information. The Soviets had penetrated the Roosevelt administration and used every overt and covert ruse to get the US involved against Germany. Still the Soviets feared a two front war. If the Japanese attacked, the Soviets would have been very hard pressed. They were probably astonished that Hitler declared war on the US and did not get a commitment from Japan to attack the Soviet Union.


44 posted on 08/04/2013 12:01:29 PM PDT by allendale
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To: JoeDetweiler
when I discuss how Saint Roosevelt broke numerous promises to the General and abandoned our troops in the Philippines!

Between December 1941 and May 1942, what forces did Roosevelt have, that he could send, that would not be sacrificed, to rescue our troops in the Philippines?

45 posted on 08/04/2013 12:02:15 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jim Noble; Homer Simpson

This debate brought to you by the people who have not been following the daily WW2 posts by Homer G Simpson!


46 posted on 08/04/2013 12:03:23 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: cutty
The United States military had been so completely gutted by the peace ostriches between the wars that they couldn't have rescued a troop of Girl Scouts stuck in a city park picnic ground, much less fight through and relieve an entire army thousands of miles away.

MacArthur should have been relieved of his command and court-martialed for his negligence. Instead, Dugout Doug got the Medal of Honor while tens of thousand of troops under his command got three years of hell on earth.

47 posted on 08/04/2013 12:03:50 PM PDT by 60Gunner (Fight with your head high, or grovel with your head low.)
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To: Wiggins

There wasn’t anything in Alaska that could have helped the Philippines at that point. You could ship to Alaska and then re-ship, but that would take even longer. So if you measure from Alaska going that way, you need to measure from Iceland going to Russia to keep it apples and apples.


48 posted on 08/04/2013 12:05:30 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: allendale

Yeah, the russkies had already experienced the jap navy at Port Arthur (the Tsar’s navy destroyed). Always important to realize the russians are really orientals, despite the great russians resemblance to Westerners.


49 posted on 08/04/2013 12:06:21 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: GeronL

“This debate brought to you by the people who have not been following the daily WW2 posts by Homer G Simpson!”

Well said I never miss a daily installment


50 posted on 08/04/2013 12:10:23 PM PDT by montanajoe
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