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Best Image of Big Bang Afterglow Ever Confirms Standard Cosmology
ScienceNOW ^ | 21 March 2013 | Adrian Cho

Posted on 03/23/2013 10:44:05 PM PDT by neverdem

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No big surprise. Planck has mapped the cosmic microwave background to great precision, but found nothing clearly incompatible with the standard cosmology.
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If the universe were ice cream, it would be vanilla. That's the take-home message from researchers working with the European Space Agency's orbiting Planck observatory, who today released the most precise measurements yet of the afterglow of the big bang—the so-called cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation. The new data from Planck confirm cosmologists' standard model of how the universe sprang into existence and what it's made of. That may disappoint scientists who were hoping for new puzzles that would lead to a deeper understanding.

"We're always hoping to find new things," says Glenn Starkman, a theoretical physicist at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio, who does not work on Planck. "But we're finding that our model is really, really good—maybe disappointingly good." Max Tegmark, a cosmologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in Cambridge, agrees. "The sensational news is that there is no sensational news," he says.

Cosmology's standard model goes a bit like this. The universe sprang into existence instantaneously in the big bang as a hot, dense soup of matter and energy. Then, in the first 10-30 seconds, space itself expanded much faster than light speed. That growth spurt, known as inflation, had two main effects. First, it smoothed the universe out and rendered it geometrically "flat" on the largest scales. At the same time, it greatly magnified tiny quantum fluctuations in the density of hot matter and energy. These density fluctuations then left tiny variations in the temperature of the CMB across the sky and, much later, seeded the formation of the galaxies. Like other CMB missions before it, Planck, which was launched in 2009, studied these variations.

From studies of the CMB and other measurements, cosmologists have also deduced the composition of the universe. Planck refines those measurements, particularly those of NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP), which collected data from 2001 to 2010. According to Planck, the universe consists of 4.9% ordinary matter, 26.8% mysterious dark matter that has revealed itself through only its gravity, and 68.3% weird, space-stretching dark energy. Those numbers amount to roughly 3% more dark energy and 3% less dark matter than WMAP's result. The Planck team also pegs the age of the universe at 13.8 billion years, 100 million years older than WMAP found.

All in all, the results fit the expectation of the standard model of cosmology almost perfectly, reported George Efstathiou, a cosmologist at the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom and a Planck team member, at a press briefing in Paris. "If I were an inflationary cosmologist, I would be very happy and thinking about a Nobel," Efstathiou said. Inflation was invented by Alan Guth, a physicist and cosmologist who is now at MIT.

More important, however, is what Efstathiou didn't say. Scientists had a short list of things that they had hoped Planck would find. For example, its measurements could have shown that a weird type of particle called a sterile neutrino existed, that the variations in the CMB weren't random in a particular way, that the original distribution of density fluctuations didn't jibe with the simplest model of inflation, or that space isn't really flat. But Efstathiou mentioned no such evidence. "These changes are not favored by the Planck data," he said. "The data don't want any of these things."

Still, there is some hope for new puzzles, Efstathiou said. Researchers break the mottled CMB down into superimposed patterns of larger and smaller spots, much as a musical chord can be broken down into individual notes. And at larger, angular scales there appear to be some anomalies, Efstathiou says. For example, the northern half of the sky appears to have slightly stronger large-scale variations than the southern half.

Such anomalies had been seen before in the WMAP data. The fact that they exist in the Planck data too means they must be real, Starkman says. "If you had made a mistake with WMAP, you wouldn't expect Planck to see it," he says. Tegmark agrees and says that the large-scale anomalies could provide clues to how inflation began. "Maybe the universe is trying to tell us something," he says. "I think we should start to take this more seriously now."

It's not clear that the anomalies mean anything, however. The CMB is the product of a random process, so the anomalies could simply be statistical flukes. Alas, with the CMB and the big bang, researchers can't redo the experiment to see if the effect goes away.


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: bigbang; bigbangafterglow; catastrophism; genesis; standardcosmology; stringtheory; xplanets
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1 posted on 03/23/2013 10:44:05 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Cliffs Notes version: God exists.


2 posted on 03/23/2013 10:49:20 PM PDT by twister881
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To: neverdem
"...Then, in the first 10-30 seconds, space itself expanded much faster than light speed."


Holy smokies! the guys ain't gonna believe this one...

3 posted on 03/23/2013 10:56:30 PM PDT by BlueDragon (the beatings will continue until morale improves)
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To: neverdem

If eternity future is possible.. eternity past must also be possible..

Which would relegate the BIG BANG.. to an interesting YARN..
much like “Evolution”.. also an interesting Tale..

Humans are such drama queens.. who also like “democracy”
Which is a Yarn of massive proportions.. no democracy has ever been democratic..

Democracy was, is and will continue to be Mob Rule by mobsters..
Much like Monarchy with a different kind of Mob.. more efficient really..

Very good entertainment all..


4 posted on 03/23/2013 11:03:08 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: neverdem
http://www.holoscience.com/wp/cosmology-in-crisis-again/

"The evidence2 is available that shows the “cosmic microwave background” (CMB) radiation is not “background” at all. It is a local radio “fog” from interacting Birkeland filaments within the Milky Way. The “cold spot” confirms that the “CMB” has no cosmological significance. It is commonsense that one hemisphere will be “colder” than the other, unless we just happen to be dead-center in the electric current stream of our arm of the Milky Way—an unlikely situation. As for the suggestion of a “parallel universe,” it is a meaningless juxtaposition of words—sadly a regular feature of modern physics."

5 posted on 03/23/2013 11:13:30 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: neverdem

When they eventually look far enough, they’ll see the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.


6 posted on 03/23/2013 11:45:04 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping!


7 posted on 03/24/2013 1:17:59 AM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: neverdem

If nothing can move FTL and everything started in the same place, how can we look ‘back’ and see the light from the Big Bang? We must have moved faster than the light in order to be ‘in front’ of it.


8 posted on 03/24/2013 2:22:11 AM PDT by Richard Brandon Abroad (Hey people, it's different over here. Different people, money ... and news.)
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To: neverdem

The galaxy is flat looking and not a globe, but do we have a measurement for the height of the galaxy?


9 posted on 03/24/2013 5:03:10 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: neverdem

Still doesn’t explain how the universe “sprang into existence.” There’s gotta be a lot of energy to make something that big “spring” into existence.

From where?
What was the source of energy?

Saying that the universe pops in and out of existence, like some scientists do, is really stupid.

The only answer, is that a force or source of energy OUTSIDE of the universe caused it to come into existence. (See St. Thomas of Aquinas for a further explanation.)

BTW, “spring into existence” is stupid. Only something that already exists can “spring” anywhere. So if it doesn’t exist, it can do any “springing.”


10 posted on 03/24/2013 5:05:19 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: neverdem

The afterglow from the biggest, best bang ever just gets a yawn from researchers?

I wanna party with those cats


11 posted on 03/24/2013 5:30:04 AM PDT by Gefreiter
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To: Richard Brandon Abroad
"...how can we look ‘back’ and see the light from the Big Bang?  We must have moved faster than the light in order to be ‘in front’..."

Remember that your looking far away doesn't mean that you're far away, it means your eyes are getting light from there that took a while to travel to you. 

We're just now finally receiving really old light (think of the USPS) and it's showing us how things looked like a long time ago.  Something else is that back then the universe was smaller.  Now I know that things are supposed to look smaller when they're farther away, but super far distances means we're looking at stuff that's actually small because the entire universe was small back then.

That picture is what the big bang looked like, as seen from the inside.

12 posted on 03/24/2013 6:04:06 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: hosepipe
...eternity past must also be possible...

What, you're saying there was no 'beginning' when God created heaven and earth? 

13 posted on 03/24/2013 6:06:58 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: BlueDragon
"...Then, in the first 10-30 seconds, space itself expanded much faster than light speed."

That's not ten to thirty seconds, it's 1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th of a second.  The idea being that space traveled in that time a distance of about a couple feet until the entire universe was the size of a beach ball.  Personally I don't buy that FTL story; I find it easier to believe that everything began with the universe already 4 feet across. 

14 posted on 03/24/2013 6:18:34 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: twister881
Cliffs Notes version: God exists.

And what line of reasoning connects this science news to your claim that your bloodthirsty horror fantasy created it all?

15 posted on 03/24/2013 6:54:23 AM PDT by Salman
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To: neverdem

Audio of the Big Bang afterglow:

“So I sing you to sleep, after the lovin’....”


16 posted on 03/24/2013 6:58:05 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: expat_panama
That's not ten to thirty seconds,

Yeah, yeah, I understand the negative. It' didn't carry in a hasty copy/paste executed at near Planck speed (choked only by bandwidth restrictions)

I find it easier to believe that everything began with the universe already 4 feet across.

That's humerous enough, but why 4ft? Why not 40, 400, or 4,000?

17 posted on 03/24/2013 7:24:30 AM PDT by BlueDragon (the beatings will continue until morale improves)
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To: varmintman
http://www.holoscience.com/wp/cosmology-in-crisis-again/
18 posted on 03/24/2013 8:05:30 AM PDT by BlueDragon (the beatings will continue until morale improves)
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To: I want the USA back

Yup

and that`s why their theory will always be a ‘ maybe-what-if-perhaps’ theory.

What they are actually arguing is that their theory defies basic laws, that something, in fact everything, came from, nothing !

They argue EFFECT with no CAUSE !


19 posted on 03/24/2013 8:59:41 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: expat_panama

What, you’re saying there was no ‘beginning’ when God created heaven and earth?


Exactly.. Linear Time itself may be only a perception.. i.e. of humans..

I know this goes against rational thinking “in the box”...
but “in the box” you may only see “cardboard”.. i.e. cardboard box..

Humans thinking about time can be described in the metaphor of a Chimpanzee considering a Platinum diamond encrusted Rolex watch.. The creature has no idea of whats involved in producing that “interesting bauble”...

With Chimps whats important is WHO GETS TO hold the artifact.. disagreements can happen.. and fights over possession of the “shiny thing”... What “IT” actually “IS”.. becomes much less important.. than pecking order..

You know... “alpha ape” credentials.. LOL.. like an “APE” has the slightest concept of what that watch actually is..

Apes considering “GOD” is also a “reach”.. not far from humans attempts at it.. like a painting trying to psycho analyze the painter..

I admit humans have a distinct problem with INFINITY..
or anything “eternal”... The real question is “IS” eternity possible.. cause if it is.. it is possible in both “perceived” directions.. (past and future)..


20 posted on 03/24/2013 11:26:01 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: expat_panama

What, you’re saying there was no ‘beginning’ when God created heaven and earth?


In a different “direction” of thought.. some scholars say the word translated as “created” in some passages in Genesis is really the word. re-created.. or re-modeled..

If true this sends the conversation in a completely different direction.. Bringing in the concept “re-created from what?”.. even “re-created WHY?”, I’ll go even further.. “re-created for WHOM?”... Not to speak of the concept “Who put Satan here, and why?”...

But humans like boxes.. as completely as kittens like to play in boxes.. They feel “safe” in their boxes(dogma).. Humans are sometimes as cute as a kitten, sometimes NOT..


21 posted on 03/24/2013 11:37:30 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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Thanks neverdem. An extra to APoD members.

22 posted on 03/24/2013 11:52:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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Thanks neverdem.

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23 posted on 03/24/2013 11:53:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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Thanks neverdem.


24 posted on 03/24/2013 11:53:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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Thanks neverdem.
 
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25 posted on 03/24/2013 11:54:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: neverdem

The universe is VANILLA???

That’s Rasiss!


26 posted on 03/24/2013 11:56:56 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: neverdem

I am not a fundamentalist. However,Is-

“The universe sprang into existence instantaneously in the big bang as a hot, dense soup of matter and energy. Then, in the first 10-30 seconds, space itself expanded much faster than light speed.”

-more rationbal than a supreme Diety creating the Earth in six days?


27 posted on 03/24/2013 1:02:05 PM PDT by Makana (We will all know in the end.)
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To: SpaceBar; neverdem; SunkenCiv; netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; ...
When they eventually look far enough, they’ll see the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.

Cosmology's standard model goes a bit like this. The universe sprang into existence instantaneously in the big bang as a hot, dense soup of matter and energy. Then, in the first 10-30 seconds, space itself expanded much faster than light speed. That growth spurt, known as inflation, had two main effects. First, it smoothed the universe out and rendered it geometrically "flat" on the largest scales. At the same time, it greatly magnified tiny quantum fluctuations in the density of hot matter and energy. These density fluctuations then left tiny variations in the temperature of the CMB across the sky and, much later, seeded the formation of the galaxies.

Scripture wins again.

28 posted on 03/24/2013 1:46:08 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

Always. :)


29 posted on 03/24/2013 1:51:27 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: hosepipe
"It has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity."

~Alexander Hamilton

30 posted on 03/24/2013 1:54:17 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

True.. it’s still true..

People have been pretty much brain washed about democracy..
What they think it is, it ISN’T.. a mass delusion..

Democracy is not democratic and progressives are not progressive... communism is not communal it is a “farm”.. an “animal farm”..
Sheep getting milked, sheared and butchered by wolves..

Which demands a question: Are YOU a sheep?..
or a Sheep Dog.. you cannot be both..

Course you can be a wolf, getting a givernment check of some sort..
Sorry......... we’re talking about PEOPLE here.. not actual sheep..


31 posted on 03/24/2013 2:09:06 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

Liberals have used first the public schools, books and newspapers, with then TV, movies and other means to spread their propaganda for about as long as this country has existed. As time has passed, they have become ever more organized and sophisticated, with little or no thought to the morality of their goals or methods.


32 posted on 03/24/2013 2:17:45 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: left that other site

There was a study done to determine the color of the universe. They first reported it was pink, then corrected their findings to off-white.

No, I’m not kidding.


33 posted on 03/24/2013 2:58:19 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: ctdonath2

I am willing to bet that there are representatives of the LGBTQ Crowd who are VERY disappointed about that.


34 posted on 03/24/2013 3:04:33 PM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: hosepipe

What’s your take on the universe then?


35 posted on 03/24/2013 3:26:12 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: neverdem; SunkenCiv; Slings and Arrows
Best Image of Big Bang Afterglow Ever

Wait, wut?

36 posted on 03/24/2013 3:33:13 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: onedoug
What’s your take on the universe then?

My theory is that the Big Bang was preceded by the Big Dinner and a couple of drinks.

37 posted on 03/24/2013 3:39:11 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Makana

Quantum mechanically, and relativistically, ~14 billion years is mathematically equivalent to 6,000+/- years.

Yet burning perhaps even in the earliest phases of galactic history, it would have taken at least two to three generations of stars to fuse elements heavier than carbon now in the Sun.

A little bit of science makes God’s existence all the more fascinating.


38 posted on 03/24/2013 3:49:27 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: martin_fierro

ha!


39 posted on 03/24/2013 3:51:30 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: onedoug

What’s your take on the universe then?


It’s BIG!.... probably.. unless there are Multi-verses...
which then; it may be one of the smaller ones.. who knows..


40 posted on 03/24/2013 4:31:29 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: martin_fierro

Heh...

Their whole universe was in a hot, dense state.


41 posted on 03/24/2013 4:32:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: onedoug

A little bit of science makes God’s existence all the more fascinating.


Science fiction MUST be very logical, else whats the point..
Reality need not be logical at all.. nothing to prove..


42 posted on 03/24/2013 4:36:03 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: trisham

Liberals have used first the public schools, books and newspapers, with then TV, movies and other means to spread their propaganda for about as long as this country has existed. As time has passed, they have become ever more organized and sophisticated, with little or no thought to the morality of their goals or methods.


I disagree... liberals have a morality.. dictated by their God..
Their god is givernment.. called by several names..
It’s a Wizard of Oz Story..

AND republicans are Dorothy, libertarians are ToTo..
democrats are munchkins..


43 posted on 03/24/2013 4:50:56 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

I believe that morality comes from God. There is no other.


44 posted on 03/24/2013 4:54:23 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: neverdem

See what happens when you mix sodium bicarbonate and Acetic acid?


45 posted on 03/24/2013 5:22:10 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: hosepipe

Insufficiently bare....


46 posted on 03/25/2013 5:25:34 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: hosepipe

You can have your “fiction”. I’ll stick to the Bible, and science.


47 posted on 03/25/2013 5:28:55 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: BlueDragon
I find it easier to believe that everything began with the universe already 4 feet across.

That's humerous enough, but why 4ft? Why not 40, 400, or 4,000?

Absolutely.  The idea is to start with the observed acceleration of the stars showing space's expansion, fudge in the measured mass/energy, and figure back a start point:

Hawkings came up with a beach ball size beginning, someone else said a golf ball, and I found another guy said more like a soft ball.  Anyway you cut it they got a lot of balls doing their measurements from outside of spacetime --they're using God's tape measure without even asking to borrow it.  If they'd have been honest and measured while inside the universe when everything was traveling light speed, then all distances would have shrunk to zero.

48 posted on 03/25/2013 7:53:10 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: hosepipe
Linear Time itself may be only a perception.. i.e. of humans..

More like plants and rocks --they stay still.

Anything moving has to give up linear time and put up with shrinking (non-linear) time.  If you got a space ship that sped up by 22 mph every second then it would feel just like earth's gravity was pushing you back.  Riding that sucker for about 25 years would make your speed be so high that your time would slow to the point that you'd watch the earth die of old age at 5 billion earth years later.  In fact, if your space ship could speed up at a faster rate then you could ride around while the entire universe fades away for all eternity.

...humans have a distinct problem with INFINITY..  or anything “eternal”...

Naw, eternity just isn't all that it's cranked up to be.

49 posted on 03/25/2013 8:11:31 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
Dark energy...if that's not a special pleading, what is? By which I mean the very models themselves (everything coming from a singularity), though perhaps interesting and worthy of investigation, are really not all that much better than brane theory musings, in some regards, for this abundant dark energy itself is little understood, although it needs to be present for the models to work.

As one link (concerning "electrical universe') provided earlier pointed towards...the very observations themselves which are used in the calculations, could well be themselves fundamentally skewed.

50 posted on 03/25/2013 8:43:39 AM PDT by BlueDragon (the beatings will continue until morale improves)
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