Best Image of Big Bang Afterglow Ever Confirms Standard Cosmology

ScienceNOW ^ | 21 March 2013 | Adrian Cho

[SunkenCiv]

Heh...

Their whole universe was in a hot, dense state.

[hosepipe]

A little bit of science makes God’s existence all the more fascinating.

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Science fiction MUST be very logical, else whats the point..
Reality need not be logical at all.. nothing to prove..

[hosepipe]

Liberals have used first the public schools, books and newspapers, with then TV, movies and other means to spread their propaganda for about as long as this country has existed. As time has passed, they have become ever more organized and sophisticated, with little or no thought to the morality of their goals or methods.

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I disagree... liberals have a morality.. dictated by their God..
Their god is givernment.. called by several names..
It’s a Wizard of Oz Story..

AND republicans are Dorothy, libertarians are ToTo..
democrats are munchkins..

[trisham]

I believe that morality comes from God. There is no other.

[Lx]

See what happens when you mix sodium bicarbonate and Acetic acid?

[onedoug]

Insufficiently bare....

[onedoug]

You can have your “fiction”. I’ll stick to the Bible, and science.

[expat_panama]

I find it easier to believe that everything began with the universe already 4 feet across.

That's humerous enough, but why 4ft? Why not 40, 400, or 4,000?

Absolutely.  The idea is to start with the observed acceleration of the stars showing space's expansion, fudge in the measured mass/energy, and figure back a start point:

Hawkings came up with a beach ball size beginning, someone else said a golf ball, and I found another guy said more like a soft ball.  Anyway you cut it they got a lot of balls doing their measurements from outside of spacetime --they're using God's tape measure without even asking to borrow it.  If they'd have been honest and measured while inside the universe when everything was traveling light speed, then all distances would have shrunk to zero.

[expat_panama]

Linear Time itself may be only a perception.. i.e. of humans..

More like plants and rocks --they stay still.

Anything moving has to give up linear time and put up with shrinking (non-linear) time.  If you got a space ship that sped up by 22 mph every second then it would feel just like earth's gravity was pushing you back.  Riding that sucker for about 25 years would make your speed be so high that your time would slow to the point that you'd watch the earth die of old age at 5 billion earth years later.  In fact, if your space ship could speed up at a faster rate then you could ride around while the entire universe fades away for all eternity.

...humans have a distinct problem with INFINITY..  or anything “eternal”...

Naw, eternity just isn't all that it's cranked up to be.

[BlueDragon]

Dark energy...if that's not a special pleading, what is? By which I mean the very models themselves (everything coming from a singularity), though perhaps interesting and worthy of investigation, are really not all that much better than brane theory musings, in some regards, for this abundant dark energy itself is little understood, although it needs to be present for the models to work.

As one link (concerning "electrical universe') provided earlier pointed towards...the very observations themselves which are used in the calculations, could well be themselves fundamentally skewed.

[expat_panama]

Dark energy...if that's not a special pleading, what is?

The question being is there such a thing as 'dark energy' or is there simply some wrong with how we're looking at things. Similar to how my old Chem1A prof complained about the 'neutrino', saying it was just a fudge excuse to cover up an error in the model.  What we know now is that using the idea of neutrinos has come in pretty handy over the years. 

We'll see how this 'dark energy' thing works out...

[BlueDragon]

We'll see how this 'dark energy' thing works out...

See? they don't call it "dark" for nothing. So...using what flashlight? Were still waiting for it to be invented --- or accepted if it's already around, just underpowered at present. Oh, and something [figuratively] along the lines of these thingys, maybe;

[hosepipe]

Insufficiently bare....

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Thats what the King with no clothes was..
Are we talking here wearing Tux jacket with no pants or shirt?

[hosepipe]

Naw, eternity just isn’t all that it’s cranked up to be.

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Good point I have a few people that should be destined for non eternity.. whatever that is..
Is non eternity based in Detroit?..

[hosepipe]

I believe that morality comes from God. There is no other.

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I know several people with a personal morality they refuse to follow..
They have their own morality and will not follow it..
They don’t like yours OR theirs..

[hosepipe]

Anything moving has to give up linear time and put up with shrinking (non-linear) time. If you got a space ship that sped up by 22 mph every second then it would feel just like earth's gravity was pushing you back. Riding that sucker for about 25 years would make your speed be so high that your time would slow to the point that you'd watch the earth die of old age at 5 billion earth years later. In fact, if your space ship could speed up at a faster rate then you could ride around while the entire universe fades away for all eternity.
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Interesting.. AND if your wrong then I've listened to the wrong primate in the wrong tree.. making grunting sounds..

WHich is cool, I like animals as long as they don't bite me..

[expat_panama]

Anything moving has to give up linear time and put up with shrinking (non-linear) time.

...if your wrong ...

This is something you're already dealing with in your own life; one example is the GPS in your car that has chips to adjust for this space time effect.  My being right or wrong doesn't matter.

[hosepipe]

This is something you're already dealing with in your own life; one example is the GPS in your car that has chips to adjust for this space time effect. My being right or wrong doesn't matter.
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Thats pretty much Barry Half-Whites problem as well..
He don't connect accuracy to any of his decisions..
Like: You didn't build that others made it possible for you..

Whats correct to some is merely a step in the right direction to others..
Like: Dorothy on the Yellow Brick Road.. i.e. naive Utopian "Red shoe clickings"..