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.308 Winchester
vanity | 7 Febuary 2013 | M.K.Borders

Posted on 02/07/2013 4:00:51 PM PST by M.K. Borders

Considering an upgrade into. 308 Winchester for some long shooting. Mostly predator hunting but also some competition. Lots of folks pointing me to the Remington 700 but I'm not getting real excited about that particular gun. Don't like that particular nylon stock and the action seems loose. Leaning toward Savage but would like some opinions.


TOPICS: Hobbies; Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Sports
KEYWORDS: 308; banglist; guns; hipower; rifle; shooting
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1 posted on 02/07/2013 4:00:56 PM PST by M.K. Borders
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To: M.K. Borders

I like the Winchester model 100...but you may have some trouble finding one.


2 posted on 02/07/2013 4:02:58 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: M.K. Borders

You may want to check out the Howa 1500. You can even get barreled actions to build your own rifle.

http://legacysports.com/products/howa_baractions.html


3 posted on 02/07/2013 4:05:03 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: M.K. Borders

I’ve had a Remington 700 SPS chambered in .308 for the past two years and it is my favorite rifle. The local coyotes hate it, though.


4 posted on 02/07/2013 4:07:27 PM PST by MeganC (“Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!”)
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To: M.K. Borders

Ummm... You are aware that the Remington 700 comes in about 40 different variants, with wood, composite and polymer stocks on offer, right?


5 posted on 02/07/2013 4:08:06 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: M.K. Borders

Your idea about Savage is very good! They’re very precise out of the box with plenty of add ons after market. The trigger is extremely good. Unlike the Remington you can accurizable it yourself, no machinery needed. You can easily set headspace and rebbl if you like. There’s just a lot to like and the price is right.


6 posted on 02/07/2013 4:08:21 PM PST by 556x45
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To: M.K. Borders

I recently got a Savage Predator Max in .223, it was very affordable. I was amazed at the out of the box accuracy and the crispness of the trigger. Go with a Savage with the accustock and accutrigger and you will not be disappointed.

I have had several Remington 700’s and they seem to all have a 9 pound lawyer installed on the trigger. You can adjust it, but not as well as the Savage IMO.


7 posted on 02/07/2013 4:09:00 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: M.K. Borders

What’s wrong with a US manufactured Ruger M77?


8 posted on 02/07/2013 4:09:00 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: M.K. Borders

The 700 is near and dear to my heart as that’s what I used when I was in th Corps. But that Savage is a sweet deal for the price.


9 posted on 02/07/2013 4:09:46 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: gorush

I like my Winchester Model 88.


10 posted on 02/07/2013 4:12:12 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: M.K. Borders
I shoot a 700 in .308 for dear and elk. You may want something a little flatter shooting and lighter for predators in the open. Then again I took down a coyote with a .22 out of my bedroom window. What's the predator you are going after anyway?
11 posted on 02/07/2013 4:15:59 PM PST by D Rider
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Modern R700s have the new Xmarkpro trigger which is adjustable by the user down to about 3 pounds. Multiple reviewers have said it is as if it can with a trigger job from the factory.

This is because Savage first shipped their similar Accutrigger, of course, and Remington had to compete or lose out in sales.


12 posted on 02/07/2013 4:16:07 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: M.K. Borders

Remington 700 is an excellent rifle model. I have one in .30-06 and one in 7mm Remington magnum. You can’t go wrong with a 700.


13 posted on 02/07/2013 4:16:29 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I have a Savage target rifle in .308 caliber. I love it. Without being a great shot I can nail a target at 400 yards without difficulty. (I have a good variable scope which cost a bundle.) I love Savages trigger. The downdside being the weight of the gun. The gun assumes one will use a bipod or other support.


14 posted on 02/07/2013 4:16:38 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: M.K. Borders
Remington Police Sniper Bull barrel in .308 with a 12X5 Nikkon scope is a tack driver. When the coyotes are within 400 yards and closer it sets itself up, calls me and shows me where to shoot. If I don't move the coyote is dead. Jokes aside, its the best shooting rifle I have ever handled and is more rifle than I am shooter.
15 posted on 02/07/2013 4:17:20 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: M.K. Borders

I’ve recently heard of some accuracy issues with the 700 due to the bedding. I’m considering a 300 winmag myself. heard some good things about that one.


16 posted on 02/07/2013 4:17:55 PM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: Spktyr

Thanks, I didn’t know that.


17 posted on 02/07/2013 4:18:18 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: M.K. Borders
I won a Model 700 Remington .308 last year in a local hunt club raffle. It has a composite stock and is very light. I equipped it with a 3x9 Leupold Vari X (sp?)1. The rifle is specifically tuned up for 125 grain ballistic tip rounds which I load myself. They travel in the neighborhood of 4000 fps and I can cover 100 yard groups of three with a dime. It is sweet. I also have a .243 made by Savage that comes in a package with scope included that shoots real good also. Both are fine additions to my collection. The Savage package deals may be more affordable if you are looking to save a buck.
18 posted on 02/07/2013 4:21:55 PM PST by MountainYankee
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

My Savage is around MOA with me shooting it (the spirit is willing but the eyes are weak) out to 300 yards. Put one of the Nikon M-223 drop compensating scopes on it. If you know the distance, it is right on the money.


19 posted on 02/07/2013 4:22:06 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: M.K. Borders

Savage works very well in the long range department. 938 yard prairie dog kill with a 243 last year.


20 posted on 02/07/2013 4:22:09 PM PST by ranjan1
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To: Real Cynic No More

Again, depends on model. R700s are offered in many different configurations with different bedding.

Also, .300 WinMag is a caliber, not a specific firearm. :P And yes, the 700 is offered in that caliber as well.


21 posted on 02/07/2013 4:22:28 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: ranjan1

That’s a bigazz sod poodle.


22 posted on 02/07/2013 4:23:17 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

At home I have a Savage in 22-250; bull barrel, composite stock; scope set to 500yds. Killer.


23 posted on 02/07/2013 4:24:30 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SkyDancer

Nice caliber. I got the .223 so I had a bolt gun that ate the same ammo as my AR.


24 posted on 02/07/2013 4:27:03 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: M.K. Borders

Personally, I’d go with the Scar 17s heavy. Can’t go wrong with that. It’s the Ferrari of .308s.


25 posted on 02/07/2013 4:29:48 PM PST by Obadiah (We must commit to remove every Senate Blue-dog Democrat from office in 2014!)
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To: M.K. Borders

You might want to consider an upgrade to a 30/06. It is a bit more versatile that the .308 regarding the number of loads you can buy or work up and packs a little more punch.

Plus the AMMO virtually universal in the US.

I love my Model 70 Winchester 30/06.

Check it out.


26 posted on 02/07/2013 4:29:48 PM PST by MountainYankee
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To: M.K. Borders

It is my opinion that for the money Savage makes the best out of the box bolt guns. I would say that .308 is a little overkill as far as coyotes go. But if you plan on also deer hunting with it is ok.

Most coyote hunters are now using AR-15’s in various calibers because many times you may have the chance to get a double and an AR is the ticket for a fast follow up shot.

My personal coyote gun is an AR-15 chambered in .204 Ruger. I like that caliber because it shoots flat enough that I don’t have to be concerned with hold over untill I am beyond 300 yds.


27 posted on 02/07/2013 4:31:57 PM PST by Okieshooter
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To: M.K. Borders

You should really consider a SAI M1A .308 Winchester! Best shooting gun you will ever own. Good for short range and anything out to 1000 yds! One of the best rifles ever made! One of the best looking rifles too!


28 posted on 02/07/2013 4:33:52 PM PST by Circle_Hook
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To: Tijeras_Slim

The Savage is real neat. I go to eastern WA to shoot prairie dogs - nasty critters. I can sit off 5 to 6ooyds using a bench rest.


29 posted on 02/07/2013 4:35:14 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: M.K. Borders

For your expected type of shooting, I think a model 700 in .260 Remington would be ideal.

The .308 is a good all around rifle but the .260 is an excellent long range or predator caliber and kicks less.

Of course .308 ammo is a lot more popular.


30 posted on 02/07/2013 4:35:32 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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I have a 700. The action is loose and damn thing hurts my shoulder.

Accurate as hell, hurts after 25 rounds, action pisses me off.

Still, I can make about 25 rounds group under 1” using a Leupold MK IV.

I am getting the new 783 and I’ll switch the Luepold over to that and then send the 700 out for a new bolt that is way smoother.

The 783 has a dampening system that will help with my anticipation and flinching from the pain. It has a better Bolt that glides instead of stuttering as the 770 does.

When I get the 770 fixed I’ll put the Luepold back on it and fit the 783 with a Brown and Schmidt.


31 posted on 02/07/2013 4:37:58 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SkyDancer

I know about P Dogs being from New Mexico and all.

The last one I dispatched (on my property) did a favor to their gene pool. It emerged from it’s burrow for some mini carrots and I got it with a .22 smoothbore from about 15 feet.


32 posted on 02/07/2013 4:38:04 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: M.K. Borders

The Savage bolt action is a great gun and the 308 Win cartridge is good out to about 800 yards. I have heard that the 260 Rem (also based on the 308 casing) is the hot cartridge for the 1000 yard shooters.


33 posted on 02/07/2013 4:38:31 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: MountainYankee
What chronograph did you measure your 125 grs load with. I am interested in buying
34 posted on 02/07/2013 4:40:17 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: Vendome

The 770 is the gimped economy take on the 700. It’s not well finished and it is basically terrible to work the action on.

But it’s not a real 700.


35 posted on 02/07/2013 4:41:57 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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36 posted on 02/07/2013 4:42:28 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

I’ve also never heard of a 700’s bolt stuttering. My 700VTR doesn’t stutter, chatter or do anything like that. The bolt moves smoothly on it. Not quite like oil on glass, but not like dragging a stick through sand either.


37 posted on 02/07/2013 4:44:53 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: M.K. Borders; 556x45

The 24” varmint barreled Savage with Accu trigger and Accu stock. With an old Nikon Monarch 5.5-16.5x44 I can just about choose which eye I want to shoot out of a coyote. I get 3025 fps with 46gr of Varget under a 155gr Nosler Accubond bullet in the RP brass I don’t particularly like. Now if only them coyotes would stand still long enough for me to get my act together...I actually use the same rifle in .223 REM for coyotes and prairie daugs. So far just paper with the .308.

Get a bi pod you can shoot with in the sitting position.

And don’t just duplicate that load, work up your own. (Your mileage may vary)


38 posted on 02/07/2013 4:48:29 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: Vendome

That’s the next economy version of the 700. Better than the 770 by all reports but still gimped a bit. The bolt handle is plastic, for example.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/01/foghorn/hands-on-with-remingtons-new-783-rifle/


39 posted on 02/07/2013 4:48:49 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Yo-Yo

A rifle well ahead of its time. I had one in .284 that I would dearly love back.


40 posted on 02/07/2013 4:49:21 PM PST by x1stcav (Man up! We're all going to have to become Samuel Whittemores.)
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To: M.K. Borders; All

Information/education BUMP! Thanks to all posters.


41 posted on 02/07/2013 4:52:17 PM PST by PGalt
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To: MountainYankee

I have a ‘new’ pre-64 Winchester 70 in ‘06 I bought in 1995. It has possibly the roughest bore I’ve ever seen straight from a factory. Got a decent scope on it.

In September of 2011 I shot a 3-shot, center to center group of 1.10” at 168 yards.

I didn’t think that was too bad for an old geezer (66 at the time) and whoever sees the target on the freezer door agrees.


42 posted on 02/07/2013 4:55:31 PM PST by x1stcav (Man up! We're all going to have to become Samuel Whittemores.)
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To: M.K. Borders

The 110 Savage rocks.

Stay away from the Remington 700 because it has the same trigger problem from the day it was rolled out.


43 posted on 02/07/2013 4:56:45 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Spktyr

I have the 770 and it was supposedly and improvement over the 700. It ain’t but the fancy scope works great.


44 posted on 02/07/2013 4:57:47 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: D Rider; M.K. Borders

“What’s the predator you are going after...?”

Right! Two legged or four legged?


45 posted on 02/07/2013 5:00:33 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Spktyr

Hmmm...

I just bought the thing because it was suppose to be an improvment. My decision had nothing to with price. Hell, four years ago I was on a spree with Springfield M1A’s, Kimbers, Benelli, etc.

I only cared about performance, reliability and dependability.

Didn’t really get a good deal on the 770. Next time I’ll hold the damn things and run through the items important to me before I plunk down some loot.

Maybe I’ll look into a 700 instead.


46 posted on 02/07/2013 5:07:26 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Oh yeah. Good question. I was assuming two-legged varmints.
47 posted on 02/07/2013 5:08:06 PM PST by Obadiah (We must commit to remove every Senate Blue-dog Democrat from office in 2014!)
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To: M.K. Borders
Leaning toward Savage but would like some opinions.

I like the Savage accu-trigger [reliable even down to 2 pounds, some say less, but I quit there; not all my work is off a bench or sandbag. Also, the extractor on the Savage can be changed out without armorer support, unlike the M700/M40X/M84.

For outranging other .308/ 7.62 NATO rifles, the US Army has gone to the .300 Winchester, while I make do with my old .300 Holland and Holland, on a Pattern 14 Enfield action and with a 26-inch barrel. In your case, since the synthetic stocks are acceptable to you, I might think that the .260 Remington cartridge deserves some of your careful study.

Beyond that: don't completely overlook the classics, the .30-06 and the 7,62x53r Russian. The former might well be found in a long-action Savage, the latter probably not. But the idea of a boltgun in one and a SVD in the other has a lot going for it.

Optics depends a lot on the enviornment and ranges at which you expect to use them. But I like the Elcan quite a bit.

48 posted on 02/07/2013 5:24:25 PM PST by archy
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To: M.K. Borders

By long shooting, what distance do you mean?


49 posted on 02/07/2013 5:24:47 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: M.K. Borders

bump


50 posted on 02/07/2013 5:30:39 PM PST by lafroste
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