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.308 Winchester
vanity | 7 Febuary 2013 | M.K.Borders

Posted on 02/07/2013 4:00:51 PM PST by M.K. Borders

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To: M.K. Borders

I like a Browning .308 BLR. It has a box magazine with a capacity of three magnum or four standard rounds, plus one in the chamber. Good research here:

http://shootingwithhobie.blogspot.com/2010/10/browning-lever-action-rifle-blr-by.html

And, here is Browning’s information on the BLR:

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=003b


51 posted on 02/07/2013 5:30:39 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: M.K. Borders
Do you understand the federal government is in the process of gathering intelligence on Americans ownership and possession of firearms from public blog sites like this for confiscation in the future?

Loose lips sink ships!

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!

Eight Deuce on the loose!

52 posted on 02/07/2013 5:39:29 PM PST by paratrooper82 (82nd ABN Div. 1/508th BN "Fury From the Sky")
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To: M.K. Borders

http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/models.html
Accurate, light, and some really outstanding features.


53 posted on 02/07/2013 5:43:34 PM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: M.K. Borders
I just bought a Savage Axis in .223. It is a tack-driver. Getting well under 1" groups at a hundred yards.

But I got buyer's remorse.

I wish I had bought this (Marlin XTVH) instead:

The heavy barrel isn't for accuracy. A thin barrel can give you that. The heavy barrel is to dissipate the heat when you shoot more than a couple of rounds in a row. When the barrel heats up, the impact point can shift with a skinnier barrel.

54 posted on 02/07/2013 5:46:51 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: M.K. Borders
My Aunt has a Winchester Model 88 in .308....she loves it.

Close groups for her at 500 yds.

I hear that they either shoot lights out...or not.

Her's apparently does shoot very fine.

My Aunt say's it's an older gun...60's or so.

55 posted on 02/07/2013 5:58:04 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: M.K. Borders

Try the Tikka T3 - was “gun of the year” or something like that a few years back. Friend picked up a barely used model with Leopold scope for $900. Very, very pleased with deal and gun. Savage F10 is very similar. For overall value, Savage is hard to beat. However, be advised that discounts are not available as these guns are flying off the shelf. Local gunshop couldn’t get one from his wholesaler as he was sold out.


56 posted on 02/07/2013 6:01:39 PM PST by Boomer One
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To: M.K. Borders

Many swear by the Howa 1500

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411549688


57 posted on 02/07/2013 6:03:12 PM PST by ez (Laws only apply to little people. Criminals, politicians, and newsies are exempt.)
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To: M.K. Borders
Remington Model 700 BDL 308 excellent firearm. Had one for years and no problem taking down a deer.


58 posted on 02/07/2013 6:03:46 PM PST by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: PGalt

I have three rifles in .308. A Rem 700, Ruger M77, and a Weatherby Vanguard. All three being excellent rifles, I have a preference for the Weatherby. I live on my own 160 acre farm, and I can literally walk out of my house and shoot long distances. I like the two stage trigger on the Weatherby, and it feels a bit beefier than the other rifles, which helps me on the long shots. Weatherby Vanguards are guaranteed sub-MOA accuracy with premium ammo. I don’t know if they still do this, but Weatherby packed the three-shot test target with my rifle, and all three shots were touching, with two of them at first glance looking like they were the same hole. I think Howa made the action on the Weatherby, and it feels better than the other two guns.

That being said, I’ve heard a lot of good things about the new Ruger All-American rifle. The first being accuracy.


59 posted on 02/07/2013 6:05:25 PM PST by eastexsteve
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To: eastexsteve

For those who do not know, the Howa M1500 and the Weatherby Vanguard 2 are essentially the same rifle. Both can be modified with a new trigger guard to accept 5 and 10 round magazines. My link above shows a M1500 with excellent glass for under $600.


60 posted on 02/07/2013 6:11:17 PM PST by ez (Laws only apply to little people. Criminals, politicians, and newsies are exempt.)
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To: M.K. Borders

My wife bought me a Sako Model 85 Hunter in .308 last year. I teamed it up with a Leupold 4x12 scope and together they make one of the finest rifles I have ever owned. 200 yard shots are a piece of cake. 400 yards is very doable and exciting. Can’t wait until spring as I’m planning on eliminating a few coyotes.


61 posted on 02/07/2013 6:13:32 PM PST by 41Thunder (The SUPPLY of Government is GREATER than the DEMAND of the people)
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To: Alaska Wolf
What’s wrong with a US manufactured Ruger M77?

That's the rifle I'm seriously looking at. Looking forward to the comments.

62 posted on 02/07/2013 6:18:54 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Vendome

I like! That looks a lot like Ruger’s new American the way the receiver is not an open top but just has an ejection port. That has got to be good and rigid.


63 posted on 02/07/2013 6:25:57 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: Vendome

Um, no, the 770 was not an improvement except with regards to increasing Remington’s margins. The 770 was much inferior to the 700.


64 posted on 02/07/2013 6:29:27 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: gorush

Pulled my M100 out of the closet, and I still like it: it fits me. I wouldn’t think of using it as a target rifle though, as it is just accurate enough to be a short range hunting rifle.

Which works here in NH.

I’ve an M1A for the range and for distance shots.

But I do note that there was a recall back in 1990 for firing pin replacement that I didn’t know about, so thanks for the comment.


65 posted on 02/07/2013 6:31:58 PM PST by benewton
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To: ez

“For those who do not know, the Howa M1500 and the Weatherby Vanguard 2 are essentially the same rifle.”

There are some differences. For one, I like the Weatherby stock and cheek rest much better. Have a look:

http://www.weatherby.com/product/rifles/vanguard_2/series_2_synthetic


66 posted on 02/07/2013 6:33:35 PM PST by eastexsteve
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To: Vendome

I would suggest that whoever told you the 770 was an improvement should be ignored on the subject of firearms and never given money by you again.

Look into a Remington 700P/PSS.


67 posted on 02/07/2013 6:35:14 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Vendome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_770


68 posted on 02/07/2013 6:38:57 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: eastexsteve

I agree, I like the Weatherby stock a lot better but you pay a premium price for it with about a $200 difference. I had a Howa in .308 with a Nikko Nighteater on layaway at Buds and was trading in a ... older ranch-style rifle in .223 for $400, but when I saw what my rifle was selling for ($8-900) I cancelled the deal.


69 posted on 02/07/2013 6:41:41 PM PST by ez (Laws only apply to little people. Criminals, politicians, and newsies are exempt.)
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To: M.K. Borders

My .308 is a TC Icon.

Fantastic gun but can’t swim for sh!^!


70 posted on 02/07/2013 6:43:25 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: M.K. Borders

I’ve made a bunch of pro-Remington posts on this thread and realized that I didn’t note the fact that the Savage 10/110 types are just as good a product, just as accurate and worthy of consideration. The only issue is that if you get into competition, you’ll find that more accessories are available for the 700 than the Savage product.


71 posted on 02/07/2013 6:44:17 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: M.K. Borders

Ruger Model 77 .308 - great rifle.


72 posted on 02/07/2013 6:49:07 PM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: M.K. Borders
Lo & behold, I just finished doing a Boyd gun stock replacement (laminate pepper black -- very sharp looking) on a Winchester Model 100, .308 semi-automatic. In fact I just got my gun back from my gunsmith this past Monday, Feb 4, who did the final fitting for my Boyd stock to the barrel, etc. This was going to be my standard deer hunting rifle (for WI, Dunn County) -- I am a WI former resident & native, but now live in SE Minnesota, and travel back to WI nearly every weekend to help my sister care for our elderly soon-to-be 96 yr old father. I am contemplating selling my newly refit Win. model 100, .308 semi-auto, and using my Remington 7400 30-06 semi-auto instead.

Just curious, where are you located? Which state, etc.?

73 posted on 02/07/2013 7:19:32 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: Spktyr

Just talked with a fella here at the lodge and that was his recommendation


74 posted on 02/07/2013 7:30:26 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: gorush

Finding the ammo for it has lately been a BIG problem...;)


75 posted on 02/07/2013 7:32:11 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: M.K. Borders

Years ago I had a Savage model 99D chambered in .308 Win (7.62 NATO). Leupold 3x9 variable scope... Great rifle - the barrel was a little short for long range work but was just fine in tight woods. Wish I still had it.


76 posted on 02/07/2013 7:35:02 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: ranjan1
Savage works very well in the long range department. 938 yard prairie dog kill with a 243 last year.

That's not bad !! What was your shooting position ? Using a rest ?

77 posted on 02/07/2013 7:42:17 PM PST by onona (KCCO, and mind the gap)
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To: Vendome

Yeah, IMHO he’s an idiot. It’s like walking into a German car dealer looking for a Porsche 911 and driving out in a VW Old Beetle assembled in Mexico on the day after Cinco De Mayo.


78 posted on 02/07/2013 7:49:41 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: M.K. Borders

An M1A might be exciting.

79 posted on 02/07/2013 7:58:27 PM PST by rabidralph (http://www.cafepress.com/westernwis)
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To: M.K. Borders

If you want to compete, chamber either rifle in a 6.5-284. Both rifles are fine but Savage gives you more bang for the buck. Either rifle can be used as a base to improve upon. Re-crown the (heavy) barrel, upgrade the stock, lap the bolt, light trigger pull, and with optics paying a fortune is not always worth the expense. I prefer Savage just because it costs less initially and I change much of it out anyway. Nothing wrong with a .308. The key to accuracy with any caliber once you have the rifle and know how to shoot is loading your ammo as consistently as possible. Every round must be just like the one before and after it. It is totally possible to shoot at and hit quarters at 500 with an old yet accurized Savage chambered in .308. There is a wealth of information out there on how to go about what I just described. Either rifle will shoot just fine right out of the box but to get that 3” group at 1000 you’ll need to play with every detail of the rifle and ammo, and of course shoot often. Most important is to enjoy doing all of it and to not be afraid to fail trying new variations.


80 posted on 02/07/2013 8:40:23 PM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: M.K. Borders

I have a Rem 700 SPS Tactical with threaded barrel and adjustable trigger. I did not like the stock from the manufacturer, so I upgraded it to a Bell and Carlson M40 drop-in stock (has an aluminum bed and skeleton running the length of the stock instead of just pillars). With the stock upgrade this is now the best rifle I’ve ever owned.

MidwayUSA sells the stock, just search item 1103114579 on their site.

I also had a Badger Ordnance detachable magazine system installed (sent the stock off to Badger), so now I have an extremely reliable .308 platform with muzzle brake for less rise and better repeat shots, full aluminum bedding for sub .5-MOA accuracy at 100y, and a detachable magazine system with 10-round Accuracy International mags instead of the stock bottom plate.

I highly, highly recommend all of the above.


81 posted on 02/07/2013 9:44:03 PM PST by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Um... they completely changed the trigger mechanism out in the last decade. Not the same trigger any more.


82 posted on 02/08/2013 12:15:58 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: riverrunner

I really don’t know what the make and model number is. My buddie has it. It is computerized. You shoot through a tunnel. He is very professional, so , I am sure it is an accurate read. It is a varmint / coyote load, a little light for deer, but, it would work. It is a little more hopped up than the .243.


83 posted on 02/08/2013 3:14:47 AM PST by MountainYankee
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To: M.K. Borders
If you wan a real tack driver .308 Win rifle, buy yourself a Savage Model 10 FP Tactical (or whatever the current description is now). The new Model 10 FP comes with a set trigger (AccTrigger) that older guns did not have, and is drilled for scope mounting only; no provision exists for iron sights.

I had a Savage Model 10 FP and it was one sweet rifle. I put the action in a Choate “Ultimate Sniper” stock, added a set trigger from Sharp Shooter Supply, a Versa-Pod bipod, Mil-Std 1913 scope mounting rail, A.R.M.S. No. 22M 30mm throw lever rings, and a Tasco 10x42M Super Sniper mil dot scope from SWFA. This sucker would shoot!

The latest in the precision rifle department is the Model 10 FCP-SR; here: http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/savage-model-10-fcp-sr-sniper-rifle-new-gun-review/

84 posted on 02/08/2013 5:43:29 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: M.K. Borders

Ruger makes some fine rifles. The Ruger M77 Hawkeye comes in .308, has a nice wood grained stock. (Standard).

http://www.ruger.com/products/m77HawkeyePredator/models.html

they even make a left handed model.


85 posted on 02/08/2013 6:04:26 AM PST by RoadieFan
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To: M.K. Borders

Ruger makes some fine rifles. The Ruger M77 Hawkeye comes in .308, has a nice wood grained stock. (Standard).

http://www.ruger.com/products/m77HawkeyeStandard/models.html

they even make a left handed model.


86 posted on 02/08/2013 6:07:08 AM PST by RoadieFan
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To: paratrooper82

Shucks, Big Sis don’t care about our prairie dog huntin’.


87 posted on 02/08/2013 6:56:54 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

No, but, big sis wants to know about the firearm you are “huntin” with to be placed in the federal registry for confiscation later! The “dog” will come later. Whether most Americans know this or not, the 25 Executive Orders included orders to the DOJ to start the collection of intelligence on all firearms and firearm owners in the United States, Freerepublic is just one blog site where the freddy’s monitor for this info. You have been warned.


88 posted on 02/08/2013 8:32:40 AM PST by paratrooper82 (82nd ABN Div. 1/508th BN "Fury From the Sky")
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To: Spktyr

“Um... they completely changed the trigger mechanism out in the last decade. Not the same trigger any more.”

The Marines at Quantico in 2012 sent a whole load of Remington 700’s in .300 back because of failure. Sometimes they would be taking the bolt out of battery and it would fire, sometimes they would be moving the bolt forward into battery and it would fire, and sometimes they would be acquiring a target and it would fire. These were .300’s but the problem is will all model 700’s or derivatives.

Remington has fritzed around with the trigger mechanism but have never fixed it. It would be too expensive they just pay out for the lawsuits. We have a friend who agains’t our advice just bought one in .308 and with a few days had a misfire. He immediately got rid of it. My fiancee’ will not hunt with anybody who is carrying one. They are too dangerous.


89 posted on 02/08/2013 8:40:04 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The old trigger mechanism is still available on order and for certain specialty models. The rest all have the all-new XMarkPro triggers, which are completely different.

The USMC specced the old triggers.


90 posted on 02/08/2013 10:45:20 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: rcrngroup
I'm in southern Indiana. Jasper to be exact. No hi-power for deer here though most “black powder “ deer hunters who use in lines are easily making hi-power velocities.
91 posted on 02/08/2013 1:14:58 PM PST by M.K. Borders (All I require of my government is the liberty my Grandfathers were born to.)
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To: paratrooper82

Guess I should have included a /sarc tag.


92 posted on 02/08/2013 1:38:35 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: eastexsteve; All; paratrooper82

Thanks for the info/link; posts; downside. Information/education BUMP!


93 posted on 02/08/2013 4:37:06 PM PST by PGalt
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