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Adolf Hitler's Plot To Bomb New York (w/Rocket Propelled Space Shuttle Carrying Radioactive Payload)
Daily Express ^ | January 4, 2013 | David Robinson

Posted on 01/04/2013 12:13:30 PM PST by DogByte6RER

Adolf Hitler with Hermann Goering


Newly discovered papers reveal the Nazis’ most bizarre plan – sending manned rockets into space to attack America.

The head of the Luftwaffe Hermann Goering banged his fi st on the table in anger.

He needed a dynamic new scheme to catch the Fuhrer’s eye. In the warped world of the Third Reich, competition between the German army and the German air force – the Luftwaffe – was fierce. Under Adolf Hitler’s power-crazed dictatorial leadership senior Nazis vied and tussled for infl uence throughout the Second World War.

At the end of 1941, Goering’s Luftwaffe was on the back foot. It had lost the Battle of Britain, while the German army was – according to Nazi propaganda from the eastern front – rampaging triumphantly across Russia. “Goering was looking for anything and everything to redeem the apparent failings of his Luftwaffe,” says space historian Dr David Baker.

The United States had just joined the war following the attack on Pearl Harbor and the Fu?hrer was keen to build a long-range bomber that could attack America’s eastern seaboard. “Hitler was bitterly contemptuous of America,” Dr Baker adds.

By successfully attacking the US, Goering could consolidate his position within the Third Reich.

But the Luftwaffe relied on slow, piston-powered aircraft with limited range – and a round trip from Berlin to New York was more than 7,000 miles. The US was simply too far away. A major technological innovation was required and Goering sent his technical staff scurrying away to find solutions.

The Silverbird was devised by Austrian engineer Eugen Saenger so the Nazis could bomb New York

A few years earlier, a maverick Austrian engineer named Eugen Saenger had published a paper proposing a manned, rocket-propelled space-plane that could in theory fly anywhere in the world.

“Saenger was the first to look into the technicalities of building a winged, reusable sub-orbital vehicle,” says Dr Asif Siddiqi, an assistant professor in space history at Fordham University. “His work was extremely far-sighted.”

How much Goering actually understood of Saenger’s ideas is unclear but he was hired and put to work at a laboratory near Hamburg with a small support team – including physicist Irene Bredt, who would become his wife – and told to come up with a blueprint for an inter-continental bomber.

“Saenger was a fantastic mathematician,” says aviation historian David Myhra. “But his first love was space. He wanted to explore the universe in rockets. He was obsessed with science fiction. He was a dreamer.”

The 900-page plan that Saenger eventually submitted to the Air Ministry could have flown straight out of the pages of Flash Gordon. In order to bridge the Atlantic he proposed sending a manned, rocket-powered jet into the lower reaches of space. The sub-orbital bomber was to be named the Silverbird because of its metallic appearance.

The Silverbird, an ambitious space rocket design wasn't developed beyond planning stage

The Silverbird was to be launched on a huge sled attached to a twomile monorail powered by 36 V-2 rocket engines. This awesome, fiery blast would propel the craft forward at a coma- inducing 1,200 miles per hour. At the end of the rail, the space-plane would start climbing.

Thirty seconds after liftoff the craft’s own 100-tonne thrust motor would kick in.

Eight minutes after ignition the Silverbird would have reached an altitude of more than 80 miles above Earth – the commonly accepted boundary between Earth and space is 62 miles above sea level – allowing it to in theory skip across the atmosphere like a stone bouncing over a pond.

“The standard aircraft of the day could not fl y from Europe to the US because they could not carry enough fuel,” explains Myhra, who has written a book on the Silverbird.

“But by reaching sub-orbital altitude the Silverbird’s fuel life would be extended allowing it to bomb anywhere in the world.”

If the space-plane concept wasn’t far out enough, the bomb it was carrying was out of this world. “The plan was to wrap the bomb with radioactive sand and have it explode high above New York casting a radioactive cloud over the city,” Myhra says. “It was a kind of prototype dirty bomb.”

The Silverbird would have been travelling at a jaw-rattling 13,000 miles per hour.

Once it had dropped its payload the Silverbird would descend under the pull of gravity, re-enter the atmosphere and glide back to Japanese territory in the Pacifi c.

“It was wild science fiction,” Myhra says.

“But Saenger had worked out all the mathematics. He was certain it would work.” Goering, however, struggled to get his head round the concepts.

By spring 1942 the rotund art-lover had a lot on his plate. The war in Europe was not going well and he was under intense pressure to stop Allied bombing raids on German cities.

“Goering saw the Silverbird as an implausible scheme with too many uncertainties,” Dr Baker says and the plan was left on the shelf.

“The Silverbird idea was theoretically possible,” Myhra adds. “Post-war analysis indicated that the space-plane would have burnt up during re-entry but this could have been overcome with thermal shielding. The underlying concept was sound but it was many years ahead of its time.”

The Nazis would look to other schemes to bomb the US but never succeeded. Saenger carried on tinkering with his concept and an abridged, 125-page outline was submitted to the Air Ministry in 1944 as the confl ict entered its final stages. A copy of this top-secret document would fall into the hands of the Americans and the Russians who were advancing on Berlin.

At the end of the war in 1945 Saenger fled to France but his bizarre story doesn’t end there. By this stage, Soviet dictator Josef Stalin had taken a n interest in the Silverbird. The Cold War was just beginning. Stalin ordered his agents to kidnap the Austrian and bring him to work in the Soviet Union. But the bungling agents failed to locate him and he stayed safely in the West.

The Soviets would spend a lot of resources trying to build a copy of the bomber. But by the early Fifties, Russian engineers gave up, concluding that the technology required to build it was yet to be invented.

In America Saenger’s work on the Silverbird was scrutinised.

“Saenger would greatly influence post-war thinking about space travel in the United States. A whole series of highly classified spaceplane concepts were developed based on his theories,” says Dr Baker. “His work certainly had an infl uence on aspects of the Space Shuttle programme.”

Saenger’s legacy is still felt today.

In December the US military launched its secretive X-37B unmanned space-plane on its third test flight.

“The ideas developed by Saenger during the war have led the US through a succession of spaceplane prototypes that ultimately led to the X-37B,” says Dr Roger Launius, senior curator at the Space History National Air and Space Museum in Washington.

Eugen Saenger died in 1964. He did not live to see the wide-ranging infl uence his visionary ideas would have on aviation, rocketry and space travel. “The whole concept of space-plane technology was really started by Saenger,” Dr Baker adds. “He played a vital role in space aviation development.”

But it was the aerospace expert’s misfortune to spend the most productive years of his career living under the 20th century’s most notorious dictatorship and, as farsighted as his work was it will always be associated with Nazi tyranny.

TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; History; Military/Veterans; Reference; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: adolfhitler; aerospaceengineering; aviation; dirtybomb; eugensaenger; hermanngoering; luftwaffe; nazis; newyorkcity; silverbird; thirdreich; worldwar2
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“There needs to be a clear winner and the people need to feel it”

Ah, the old no peace without victory philosophy, victory here being judged by the standard of unconditional surrender. I wouldn’t have thought it necessary, but I’ll here briefly mention how the aim of total victory in WWI led rather directly to Naziism and Bolshevism.

Or do you not consider that peace to have been Carthaginian enough? Should we have razed cities and occupied for 50 years the great war losers like we did the losers of 45? Do you honestly consider whatever it was that followed WWII peace?

41 posted on 01/04/2013 3:14:05 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: DogByte6RER

“...powered by 36 V-2 rocket engines. “

Getting ONE V2 to work took painstaking care. Trying to get thirtysix to work in concert has BOOM written all over it.

42 posted on 01/04/2013 3:22:52 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Goering was a WWI flying Ace but he wasn't much of an organization man. The Luftwaffe was an elitist corps that never achieved its potential because its chief failed in his vision. The critical failing of the Luftwaffe was very short range which never was expanded to meet the competition, and which hindered the Luftwaffe time and time again.

This space shot, one of Hitler's "secret superweapons" was never more than an autistic late-night fantasy.

43 posted on 01/04/2013 3:31:40 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2banana
Gee - can we use that logic on Afghanistan or Iraq civilians today? Why not? Why can't we firebomb and carpet bomb their cities

Brand new Year, same old ignorant drooling a--holes.

44 posted on 01/04/2013 3:35:48 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Tublecane
They deliberately targeted barracks, apartment complexes, homes, etc. The only way you can accurately call it strategic bombing is if strategy was to kill as many civilians as possible to frighten the nation into surrender. And that’s what it was, essentially: a terror campaign

Who do you mean by "they," punk?

45 posted on 01/04/2013 3:40:15 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: DogByte6RER

Most of the German secret projects, including this one, were gigantic waists of resources that relied on technology that didn’t exist or provided little return.

This was wildly outside of German capability. But even if it wasn’t, you are talking about a giant investment to deliver a bomb that could have been delivered by a much simpler and cheaper U-boat design.

German secret weapons were generally just wishful thinking.

46 posted on 01/04/2013 3:55:09 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: zot

This is new to me.

47 posted on 01/04/2013 5:54:05 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar
This is new to me.

Me, too. I knew the Germans had a lot of far-out plans, but I hadn't heard of this one. The radioactive sand was a viscous idea. I'm glad they didn't use it on London.

48 posted on 01/04/2013 7:02:15 PM PST by zot
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To: hinckley buzzard

“Who do you mean by ‘they,’ punk?”

Allied command. Churchill was simply mad for it.

49 posted on 01/04/2013 7:19:10 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: cripplecreek

Crimes against individual German people, surely, but not “crimes against humanity.” That was something of which only axis members could be guilty, even if the acts in question were known to have been committed by the allies as well. Which gave us the satisfaction of punishing evil alongside our good friends the Russians.

50 posted on 01/04/2013 7:24:14 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: hinckley buzzard

Just so I know where you’re coming from, suggesting it may not be okay to slaughter innocents by the tens or hundreds of thousands is to be a drooling a—hole?

51 posted on 01/04/2013 7:27:14 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

Shouldn’t you be sitting on a gun emplacement for a photo op with Hanoi Jane?

52 posted on 01/04/2013 7:31:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I looked at your about page and must say I agree with you on jury nullification. What confuses me is how you can advocate following your conscience instead of the law or a judge’s instructions, but somehow me damning large and, for instance the case of Dresden, extremely obvious war crimes makes me a traitor.

53 posted on 01/04/2013 7:37:40 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

You are garbage who is doing nothing but parroting Michael Moore talking points. I owe you no explanations.

You may go now.

54 posted on 01/04/2013 7:41:19 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I see. You were just barely engaging me, and now have switched to brick wall mode.

Whoever knew opposing terror bombing automatically places you in Michael Moore land? There are libraries full of conservative and libertarian anti-war literature. Our movement goes back before Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz, if they were really part if it. Try reading William Graham Sumner, Albert J. Nock, Garet Garrett, Mencken, Russell Kirk, Murray Rothbard, many a hardcore neoconservative when Democrats happen to be in power, even William F. Buckley intermittently.

55 posted on 01/04/2013 7:54:46 PM PST by Tublecane
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We’d have someone much worse.

56 posted on 01/05/2013 6:44:53 AM PST by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: DogByte6RER

Thanks DogByte6RER.

My apologies if I missed this info as I barely read most of this interesting article (I plan to go back) — the Shuttle/tank separation angle was actually borrowed from the Luftwaffe parasite fighter/bomber separation angle, the German designer had been paperclipped after the war, and he got a call one day from NASA, a phone call which proved to be a real time saver for the STS designers.

The transoceanic bombardment of NYC was proposed using the A9/A10. The latter was the big booster, which would have pushed the suborbital A9 flying bomb across the Atlantic. There were no prospects for a guidance system accurate enough at that distance, so a human pilot would have guided the craft, and got it on its final approach. The pilot would have bailed out a few miles up and some miles offshore, parachuted down, and been recovered by U-Boat. The A9 flying bomb would have continued and delivered its conventional explosives warhead on the city of NY.

The resources to build this project were needed for the general war effort, so it never got to the prototype stage.

57 posted on 01/05/2013 5:00:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: iowamark

The boss. Every space program in the world grew out of captured V2 engines, or in the case of the US, out of their originator *and* captured V2 engines. :’)

58 posted on 01/05/2013 5:07:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: cripplecreek

Or, we could skip bothering to listen to them and just finish killing them in step one. :’) IOW, we think a lot alike.

59 posted on 01/05/2013 5:09:44 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Wernher von Braun
by Tom Lehrer

Gather round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun
A man whose allegiance is ruled by expedience
Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown
"Ha, Nazi schmazi," says Wernher von Braun

Don't say that he's hypocritical
Say rather that he's apolitical
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down
That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun

Some have harsh words for this man of renown
But some think our attitude should be one of gratitude
Like the widows and cripples in old London town
Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun

You too may be a big hero
Once you've learned to count backwards to zero
"In German oder English I know how to count down
Und I'm learning Chinese," says Wernher von Braun

Sing it, Tom

60 posted on 01/05/2013 5:18:23 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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