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A Faded Piece of Papyrus Refers to Jesus' Wife
NY Times ^ | September 18, 2012 | Laurie Goodstein

Posted on 09/18/2012 2:35:59 PM PDT by Altariel

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — A historian of early Christianity at Harvard Divinity School has identified a scrap of papyrus that she says was written in Coptic in the fourth century and contains a phrase never seen in any piece of Scripture: “Jesus said to them, ‘My wife ...’ ”

The faded papyrus fragment is smaller than a business card, with eight lines on one side, in black ink legible under a magnifying glass. Just below the line about Jesus having a wife, the papyrus includes a second provocative clause that purportedly says, “she will be able to be my disciple.”

The finding was made public in Rome on Tuesday at an international meeting of Coptic scholars by Karen L. King, a historian who has published several books about new Gospel discoveries and is the first woman to hold the nation’s oldest endowed chair, the Hollis professor of divinity.

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1 posted on 09/18/2012 2:36:04 PM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

It is from 4th century, enough said.


2 posted on 09/18/2012 2:37:10 PM PDT by scbison
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To: Altariel; shibumi

“Frog snot” ping.


3 posted on 09/18/2012 2:37:46 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep, the clowns will eat me)
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To: Altariel; scbison

(sigh) Dan Brown redux.


4 posted on 09/18/2012 2:38:13 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: scbison

The missing bits actually said “Take my wife, please.”


5 posted on 09/18/2012 2:39:08 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep, the clowns will eat me)
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To: Altariel

This is obviously a righteous justification for riots by all Christians world wide at American embassies... Well... Just saying folks.


6 posted on 09/18/2012 2:42:48 PM PDT by jerod (Pro-Abortion Gun Control Freaks & Environmental Nuts who hated Capitalism? The Nazi's)
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To: jerod

Jesus’ prenup?


7 posted on 09/18/2012 2:43:30 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Altariel

Myself, I think Jesus was married for the simple reason that for Him not to have been married in His time would have been remarkable enough that one of the Apostles would have mentioned it. His having a wife would’ve rated a “Yeah, and..?” from the men of His time so it is not surprising that His marriage would not be mentioned.

Besides, His being married explains why He was always out with the guys.


8 posted on 09/18/2012 2:45:43 PM PDT by MeganC (The Cinemark theatre in Aurora, CO is a 'Gun Free Zone'. Spread the word.)
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To: Altariel

Too much missing to even speculate believably. The Church is Christ’s bride, right?

It would have been unusual for an observant Jewish man of thirty or so to be unmarried in those times, though. Or, maybe I’m wrong. Any of our Beloved Elder Brethren care to comment?


9 posted on 09/18/2012 2:45:46 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

I have long been convinced the wedding at Cana was in fact the marriage of Jesus.


10 posted on 09/18/2012 2:47:41 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: JimRed

“Or, maybe I’m wrong. Any of our Beloved Elder Brethren care to comment?”

It’s Rosh Hasshana (sp?), I think. Missing all my usual Jewish Freepers.


11 posted on 09/18/2012 2:48:36 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: Altariel

A wife??? The libs say Jesus was gay!


12 posted on 09/18/2012 2:50:31 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: djf

Not saying you are wrong, but knowing he would be put to death I think he would have been awfully reluctant to put a wife through that ordeal.


13 posted on 09/18/2012 2:50:40 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Altariel

Joshua was a common name


14 posted on 09/18/2012 2:51:31 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Altariel

Karen L. King is a member of the ‘Jesus Seminar’, which denies the divinity of Christ.


15 posted on 09/18/2012 2:52:26 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: JimRed
It would have been unusual for an observant Jewish man of thirty or so to be unmarried in those times, though. Or, maybe I’m wrong. Any of our Beloved Elder Brethren care to comment?

Also unusual to heal the sick, walk on wate, raise the dead and forgive sins.

16 posted on 09/18/2012 2:52:42 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Altariel

Woman has an agenda, look at her books:

“Her books include The Secret Revelation of John; The Gospel of Mary of Magdala: Jesus and the First Woman Apostle; What Is Gnosticism?; Reading Judas: The Gospel of Judas and the Shaping of Christianity (with Elaine Pagels); and Revelation of the Unknowable God. Other publications include Images of the Feminine in Gnosticism (ed.) and Women and Goddess Traditions in Antiquity and Today (ed.). Her particular theoretical interests are in discourses of normativity (orthodoxy and heresy), gender studies, and religion and violence.”


17 posted on 09/18/2012 2:53:53 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Altariel

So what . . . say that this is true, the Bible said it clearly . . .

“And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife” (Revelation 21:9)

When Jesus speaks of his wife, surely it is the church, His bride, that He is referring to.


18 posted on 09/18/2012 2:54:17 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: Altariel
What was this one from - the 'Epistle of Judas', or the 'Epistle of Thomas'?
Yes, Satan has never ceased his attack on the Word of God (the Word made Flesh, and the Written Word), as well as on the Bride of Christ. There were many 'pseudographias' written as Satan tried to deceive (he is called the deceiver for a reason). Peter, Paul, and John all referenced false letters and prophets that were trying to bring in damnable heresies. And this was even in the first Century AD. And, of course, we all know of the infamous false book that got launched around 650 AD.
All that being so, God protects His Word and makes sure that the Bride of Christ is not left alone.
The Early Church knew which scriptures were real, and they kept them even if it cost them there lives (which was often the case until the time of Constantine).

So sure, someone found a papyrus scrap that says something contrary to the Received Word of God. We will stick with the Word that has been passed down and protected, not some scrap from some heretical writing that has long been discarded.

19 posted on 09/18/2012 2:56:52 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: djf

Explain?


20 posted on 09/18/2012 2:57:43 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Possibly.

But Christ was, more than just about all else, one who knew and paid attention to natural law and the universal order of things.

It would have been very unusual and probably unacceptable for a single man to hang out with twelve guys who didn’t have the best reputation on the block...

And no doubt he was closer to Magdalena than just about any other person on Earth.

Any time things like this come up, I just sit here drooling thinking/wondering about what they might have in the Vatican library!!!


21 posted on 09/18/2012 3:00:47 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: scbison

Someone could have said they thought it would have been good to write that Jesus had a wife four hundred years after his death. So we are to take that as Gospel or one of the many false writings?


22 posted on 09/18/2012 3:05:18 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Yes ... And also highly unusual for him too be nailed to a cross, die and come back to life. Highly unusual.


23 posted on 09/18/2012 3:05:49 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: MeganC

Had Jesus married, he would have sinned by willingly going to the cross and leaving his wife behind.


24 posted on 09/18/2012 3:09:13 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Altariel

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Altariel.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution. To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


25 posted on 09/18/2012 3:09:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Altariel

meh.


26 posted on 09/18/2012 3:09:36 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
The Papyrus was date-stamped, "350 AD." It was also countersigned by Mary Magdalen, whom this idiotic woman also believes to have been JC's GF.

What is really suspicious here is, that as any fool knows, Jesus was at this time proselytizing among the American Indians (to whom Elizabeth Warren is genetically linked) in the Four corners Region around Wolf Creek Pass.

The only theological question I have here is, Did this happen during that strange, but oft-quoted period when "Christ was a Corporal?"

27 posted on 09/18/2012 3:09:54 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama = Allende.)
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To: Altariel

So what? Faith is based on...faith. Not scraps of paper or “proof”.


28 posted on 09/18/2012 3:09:56 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Both his mother, Mary, and Mary Magdalene were at the cross when he died. She could have been the wife and that doesn’t bother me. It was common for men to marry and would have raised eyebrows if he hadn’t been.


29 posted on 09/18/2012 3:10:05 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Altariel

In symbolic terms, if Jesus has a bride, he has a wife, the Church.


30 posted on 09/18/2012 3:11:30 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Altariel

The real payoff line is:

The owner will “donate” this if Harvard buys the rest of his collection. IE a salted gold mine.

How many of these have been faked?


31 posted on 09/18/2012 3:14:57 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Altariel

First, Jesus didn’t come here to get married. He had a greater mission on his mind.

Second, there were other prominent Biblical persons who were not married: John the Baptist, Stephen the first martyr, the Apostle Paul, John - the brother of Jesus, Lazarus, Daniel, Elijah, and Elisha to name a few.

Moses didn’t marry until he was 80!

So a 30 year old unmarried male in Jewish culture was not so unsusual.

Third, I highly resent an agnostic/atheist/religious professor relying on a 4th century papyrus writing to try to negate my faith.


32 posted on 09/18/2012 3:15:12 PM PDT by Texas56
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To: Altariel
1) Jesus referred to the church as his bride.

2) Oh, so now all those saying He never existed will jump on this "proof" (proving their hypocrisy)?

33 posted on 09/18/2012 3:20:47 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Wolf Creek Pass? The 37 miles of hell way up on the Great Divide? No wonder He was proselytizing there....(with apologies to C.W. McCall....)


34 posted on 09/18/2012 3:21:03 PM PDT by Crapgame (What should be taught in our schools? American Exceptionalism, not cultural Marxism...)
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To: Altariel

Obviously from a relative of Elizabeth Warren, one of the Galilee Cherokees.


35 posted on 09/18/2012 3:24:47 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: Marcella
"It was common for men to marry and would have raised eyebrows if he hadn’t been."

But then, Jesus was an uncommon man, to say the least. Remember Mary was overshadowed by The Holy Ghost before being married? That certainly raised Joseph's eyebrows, but God didn't mind, did He.

And I know others have said this, but...It also raised eyebrows that He healed the sick, forgave sinners, cast out demons, died and then rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven.

36 posted on 09/18/2012 3:26:44 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: MeganC
Myself, I think Jesus was married for the simple reason that for Him not to have been married in His time would have been remarkable enough that one of the Apostles would have mentioned it.

I've also always thought he was married..and why the care if he was???? I could never understand that.

Of course I have always thought he was just a man(a good man that did incredible things), not anything spiritual with special powers and the biblical writers of the day just exaggerated his abilities abit to score points.

37 posted on 09/18/2012 3:27:14 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: Mach9
Don't the mormons believe in a tribe of Israel called the mormoni who made their way to America, buried some stuff in NY, and built mounds?

Perhaps Lizzy Warren is related to them.

38 posted on 09/18/2012 3:28:43 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: Altariel

No mention of a wife anywhere duting his lifetime.

She finds a scrap of papyrus 400 years later and she touts it as truth.

BS.


39 posted on 09/18/2012 3:31:14 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: trailhkr1

blasphemy

we need to burn down Harvard

/s


40 posted on 09/18/2012 3:32:24 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: iowamark; Morgana; Salvation

I knew that from seeing “Harvard”

Absolutely nobody at the Harvard Divinity School is going to believe in Jesus Christ.


41 posted on 09/18/2012 3:35:01 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

I’ve studied the Bible since I was a child and I don’t care if Jesus had a wife. One of these days we will know.


42 posted on 09/18/2012 3:36:09 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Altariel

Beyond the completely lack of authority for this scrap as a source of anything, even had Jesus said, “My wife...” he could well have finished with “My wife is the church”, or “My wife is my father’s will.”

The scrap is worthless on the face of it. Then consider this could be anything from satire to miscommunication on the part of the person penning the text on the scrap.

If Christ had a wife, we would most CERTAINLY know it. He would not have hidden it and his followers would not have hidden it.


43 posted on 09/18/2012 3:38:05 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: djf
It would have been very unusual and probably unacceptable for a single man to hang out with twelve guys who didn’t have the best reputation on the block.

Is that a joke? Now, we are supposed to believe he was just a normal guy. Those twelve believed him to be the Son of God, he proved it through his actions and his life. If he acted like everyone else he would not have been believed.

44 posted on 09/18/2012 3:42:59 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
If Christ had a wife, we would most CERTAINLY know it. He would not have hidden it and his followers would not have hidden it.

Not so fast...we live in the information age and things still get covered up or mislead today. Pretty simple to cover up Jesus marriage back then...cake walk actually...especially when very little was written and the biblical writings were for the most part "censored/approved" by the early Catholic church who as controlled by a small select group of men.

45 posted on 09/18/2012 3:43:27 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: MeganC

The church is the bride of Christ.


46 posted on 09/18/2012 3:45:18 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: AppyPappy

Indeed, Yeshua was a common name in those days.


47 posted on 09/18/2012 3:49:23 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: djf

So he chose the beginning of his three years of ministry which would culminate in his brutal slaying to get married?

That’s ridiculous.


48 posted on 09/18/2012 3:50:20 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Altariel

“Jesus Christ became man.”. I would think Christ was married, love and sex are as natural as food and water. I wish it could be proven, because the implication is huge. Among many things, it would make marriage that much more sacred between a man and a woman


49 posted on 09/18/2012 3:50:59 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: All

My apologies for not capitalizing the pronouns referring to Jesus. I goofed.


50 posted on 09/18/2012 3:51:26 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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