Posted on 04/04/2011 12:50:03 PM PDT by HardRightHook
The Republican Party and centrists have often lamented and derided illegal immigration. Rightfully so. Illegal immigration is a pariah. Those who care about people know that this unfortunate phenomena isn't good for anyone. Especially those trying to come to the United States. There are too many murders of all people involved. We must remember that while the immigrants are breaking the law, they are being murdered with a much higher regularity than any Americans caught in the crossfire or law enforcement seeking to curtail the practices. Often the immigrants are caught in a web of illegal activity that they never intended and this too is a shame.
In the first paragraph, I stressed this as a Republican issue because I do not believe that stanching the tide of immigration is necessarily within the realm of conservative thought. I see the idea of opposition to immigration as a counter to the Democratic Party support of illegal immigration. This is the problem with party politics. It eliminates the thought process and boils everything down into yes or no ideas. Immigration is far more complex than this. The benefits and detractors are far more complex than eschewing the immigrant simply because they broke a law by crossing the border.
The conservative mind looks at this in a more penetrating manner. What are the reasons behind the Democrats submission to the immigrant and what is the GOP's aversion to the immigrant? Voting Blocs. Democrats see a huge potential voting bloc that, with the political environment in their home countries will mean big votes for democrats OR at least it will force republicans to move farther to the left than the already are to pick up votes. The mistakes the GOP is making to eliminate the immigrants from society are profound. There is no forethought at all. Instead of seeking to eliminate the immigrant, we simply need to neutralize their status as a voting entity. I mentioned that there is no forethought to the elimination of illegel immigrants. Why would that be? It is because the US will see a population crisis in a very short time. Within the next 15 to 20 years, we will see the working population lose around 20 million skilled workers. What does this mean for our economy? Well, if we eliminate 20,000,000 x 45,000. This eliminates nearly a trillion dollars from the economy just in wages. It is clear that we need the labor if our economy returns to former glory. For nearly 20 years, we between 4-6% unemployment which is widely considered full employment. At this time we had massive hiring of illegals. If we have no new unskilled labor, our workforce retires, we have less overall investment,our economy MUST contract. Which means recession.
Does allowing immigrants to work in the US mean we have to make them citizens? Or even allow them to vote?? Of COURSE not. I believe that the best course of action for all involved is to create a work visa system. Under this plan I would promote that those who except the visa can do all they wanted in the US. They could stay, work, invest, do all the things most citizens do. They simply could not vote, nor could they except a tax return. This would be their punishment for illegal entry. The benefits of such a plan are profound. it eliminates illigration as a voting bloc. That is the big one. It identifies aliens within the system, eliminates the need for identity theft and tax fraud. Helps keep ag prices low, it weakens the immigrant lobby that seeks far broader rights than outlined here and helps to bolster our own economy.
It is time to release yourself from the bondage of Republican thought and look at the situation with clear eyes. Immigration is a necessary evil and one we can live with if we are sober and pragmatic about the process.
Please. The pro-intruder side is the one playing politics and playing Russian Roulette with our culture.
You can let some MS-13 gang members into your house if you want but there is a legal way to come to America and that should be the ONLY way.
The rest of us have principles. We could care less about the party.
How can he be a blogpimp if there is no link??
Just saying.
I don’t ACCEPT your ideas, EXCEPT for borders, languages and cultures, what signifies one country from another?
Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in net immigration of 1.25 million. Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 310 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by 130 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration. The U.S., the worlds third most populous nation, has the highest annual rate of population growth of any developed country in the world, i.e., 0.977% (2010 estimate), principally due to immigration.
The latest data show 22.1 million immigrants holding jobs in the U.S. with an estimated 8 million being illegal aliens. By increasing the supply of labor between 1980 and 2000, immigration reduced the average annual earnings of native-born men by an estimated $1,700 or roughly 4 percent. Among natives without a high school education, who roughly correspond to the poorest tenth of the workforce, the estimated impact was even larger, reducing their wages by 7.4 percent. The reduction in earnings occurs regardless of whether the immigrants are legal or illegal, permanent or temporary. It is the presence of additional workers that reduces wages, not their legal status.
The Bureau of Labor statistics for March 2011 show a national unemployment rate of 8.8 percent, including 15.5 percent for blacks and 11.3 percent for Hispanics. 22 million Americans are seeking full-time employment. Despite the economic downturn, the U.S. continues to bring in 125,000 new, legal foreign workers a month. This includes new permanent residents (Green Cards) and long-term temporary visas and others who are authorized to take a job. This makes no sense.
Bureau of the Census: An Older and More Diverse Nation by Midcentury
In 2050, the nation's population of children is expected to be 62 percent minority, up from 44 percent today. Thirty-nine percent are projected to be Hispanic (up from 22 percent in 2008), and 38 percent are projected to be single-race, non-Hispanic white (down from 56 percent in 2008).
The percentage of the population in the "working ages" of 18 to 64 is projected to decline from 63 percent in 2008 to 57 percent in 2050.
The working-age population is projected to become more than 50 percent minority in 2039 and be 55 percent minority in 2050 (up from 34 percent in 2008). Also in 2050, it is projected to be more than 30 percent Hispanic (up from 15 percent in 2008), 15 percent black (up from 13 percent in 2008) and 9.6 percent Asian (up from 5.3 percent in 2008
One can tell by the ESL writing skills and liberal type of argumentation and mentality.
You are right. I went back and carefully read this post. It is clearly not written by a native speaker of English. many of the sentences appear to have first been composed in some other language and then laboriously translated into English.
Five years or more ago when I was on this site every day there were a number of posters who were fanatically opposed to closed borders or stringent anti-illegal immigration measures. One in particular who used the posting name of Zook appeared to be a Hong Kong Chinese who was positively gleeful about mass third world immigration into the US. Others were persons who had some sort of economic stake in being able to hire illegals off the books for construction or agricultural jobs. Others were simply America is not a place but a credo types who really felt that any assertion of attachment based on being settled here for a couple of centuries was racist sentiments. Al of those types have either left this board or grown silent on the illegal question. This poster appears to be some sort of mole or plant probably by La Raza or LULAC or the Dems to try and garner quotes to be twisted for political purposes. He should be watched carefully.
This is how we have come to allowing openly ‘gay’ servicemenbers to now attempts to integrate women into combat arms occupation specialties. The left constantly redefines our culture by making small sidesteps to the left. With the military it is done by redefining what a soldier and an officer are and what the role of the armed forces are. The goal is to redefine them so the armed forces become the Peace Corps with guns so they can be used as a tool to force social experimentation on what ever group is to be coerced. That is why military operational history and military leadership training oriented towards the lives of great military leaders of the past (Grant, Lee, Or Washington for instance) is systematically eliminated from training syllabuses and replaced with social science theories and discussions of information warfare and nation building. A generation or so ago virtually every field grade officer had in his library or was familiar with Grant's Memoires and Freemans ‘Lee’ and ‘Lee's Lieutenant's’ and Henderson's ‘Stonewall Jackson and the American Civil War’. Today these titles have become considered almost of antiquarian interest not ones that both teach unchanging lessons of battlefield leadership as well as psychologically attaching the current generation to the experiences of Americans in combat in the past. This is a form of Orwellian psychological cleansing and it is treated very seriously by the left though never of course directly expressed. The goal is to produce a class of careerist officers unknowledeable of the history of their service and the role of the armed forces. Men and woman who will eagerly support any sort of dubious use of the military as long as the political leadership endorses it even to being comfortable with using the armed forces against American citizens who will be stigmatized as’racist’ or ‘extremists’ or members of KKK like ‘hate groups’.
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Mr. Hook, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Under your scenario if we eliminate 20,000,000 x 45,000. This eliminates nearly a trillion dollars from the economy just in wages.
You too stoopid to be a Freeper.
You would not erase a thing. Those jobs are supplied by the free market, which it just so happens abhors a vacuum.
Those jobs would be filled by Americans. Hell they might have to advertise they are available but trust me, those jobs will be filled.
Additionally, they might even get paid a little more and have all the benefits and protections afforded citizens of the these here states and under the Fed system.
Nice try though.
2) You're a noob pimping a vanity thread. Strike two.
3) Your thread pimping is hit-and-run. Strike three.
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I bet your stance is wide, just like Senator Craig’s.
agree.
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