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Should we make a change in immigration stance?
April 2, 2011 | HardRightHook

Posted on 04/04/2011 12:50:03 PM PDT by HardRightHook

The Republican Party and centrists have often lamented and derided illegal immigration. Rightfully so. Illegal immigration is a pariah. Those who care about people know that this unfortunate phenomena isn't good for anyone. Especially those trying to come to the United States. There are too many murders of all people involved. We must remember that while the immigrants are breaking the law, they are being murdered with a much higher regularity than any Americans caught in the crossfire or law enforcement seeking to curtail the practices. Often the immigrants are caught in a web of illegal activity that they never intended and this too is a shame.

In the first paragraph, I stressed this as a Republican issue because I do not believe that stanching the tide of immigration is necessarily within the realm of conservative thought. I see the idea of opposition to immigration as a counter to the Democratic Party support of illegal immigration. This is the problem with party politics. It eliminates the thought process and boils everything down into yes or no ideas. Immigration is far more complex than this. The benefits and detractors are far more complex than eschewing the immigrant simply because they broke a law by crossing the border.

The conservative mind looks at this in a more penetrating manner. What are the reasons behind the Democrats submission to the immigrant and what is the GOP's aversion to the immigrant? Voting Blocs. Democrats see a huge potential voting bloc that, with the political environment in their home countries will mean big votes for democrats OR at least it will force republicans to move farther to the left than the already are to pick up votes. The mistakes the GOP is making to eliminate the immigrants from society are profound. There is no forethought at all. Instead of seeking to eliminate the immigrant, we simply need to neutralize their status as a voting entity. I mentioned that there is no forethought to the elimination of illegel immigrants. Why would that be? It is because the US will see a population crisis in a very short time. Within the next 15 to 20 years, we will see the working population lose around 20 million skilled workers. What does this mean for our economy? Well, if we eliminate 20,000,000 x 45,000. This eliminates nearly a trillion dollars from the economy just in wages. It is clear that we need the labor if our economy returns to former glory. For nearly 20 years, we between 4-6% unemployment which is widely considered full employment. At this time we had massive hiring of illegals. If we have no new unskilled labor, our workforce retires, we have less overall investment,our economy MUST contract. Which means recession.

Does allowing immigrants to work in the US mean we have to make them citizens? Or even allow them to vote?? Of COURSE not. I believe that the best course of action for all involved is to create a work visa system. Under this plan I would promote that those who except the visa can do all they wanted in the US. They could stay, work, invest, do all the things most citizens do. They simply could not vote, nor could they except a tax return. This would be their punishment for illegal entry. The benefits of such a plan are profound. it eliminates illigration as a voting bloc. That is the big one. It identifies aliens within the system, eliminates the need for identity theft and tax fraud. Helps keep ag prices low, it weakens the immigrant lobby that seeks far broader rights than outlined here and helps to bolster our own economy.

It is time to release yourself from the bondage of Republican thought and look at the situation with clear eyes. Immigration is a necessary evil and one we can live with if we are sober and pragmatic about the process.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: aliens; gop; ibtz; illegal; immigration; kitties; kittychow; republican; troll; vikingkitties; zot
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1 posted on 04/04/2011 12:50:12 PM PDT by HardRightHook
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To: HardRightHook

Principles, who needs em?

LOL


2 posted on 04/04/2011 12:55:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: HardRightHook
Stance?

How about the prone position ... Halt, who goes there .... ?

3 posted on 04/04/2011 12:56:18 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: HardRightHook

HardRightKook


4 posted on 04/04/2011 12:57:20 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: HardRightHook
f we have no new unskilled labor, our workforce retires, we have less overall investment,our economy MUST contract. Which means recession.

BWAHAAAAAA

5 posted on 04/04/2011 12:58:28 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: HardRightHook

So the “change in immigration stance” this advocates is “bend over even farther”?


6 posted on 04/04/2011 1:00:27 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: HardRightHook
Welcome to FR.
7 posted on 04/04/2011 1:02:55 PM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: HardRightHook

It looks like a La Raza fascist has infiltrated Free Republic.

One can tell by the ESL writing skills and liberal type of argumentation and mentality.

I guarantee you this writer isn’t going to any Chinese or Indian politics board to discuss how they should have open borders for their supposed labor shortages.

According to liberals and illegals, only the US should have open borders and the US is the only country in the world with a labor shortage, which is a ridiculous talking point only made by traitors who wish to destroy this country.


8 posted on 04/04/2011 1:04:57 PM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: HardRightHook
HardRightHook
Since Apr 1, 2011

Joined FR to blog pimp?
9 posted on 04/04/2011 1:05:14 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: central_va
It is fitting that his freeper date is April 1 2011, who ever it is keep forgetting the illegal part when mentioning immigrants that no one has a problem with.
10 posted on 04/04/2011 1:05:44 PM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: La Lydia
Its the Overton window (The political theory by Joseph P Overton not the book by Beck)

The Overton Window is a means of visualizing which ideas define that range of acceptance by where they fall in it. Proponents of policies outside the window seek to persuade or educate the public so that the window either “moves” or expands to encompass them. Opponents of current policies, or similar ones currently within the window, likewise seek to convince people that these should be considered unacceptable.

If you simply whip the window open wide, you turn people away. If you slowly inch it open a little at a time and give people time to adjust, you can inch it a little further. Basically its the incrementalism our political "betters" have used on us for years. Fortunately we're wising up and turning them out to pasture.
11 posted on 04/04/2011 1:07:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: HardRightHook
Should we make a change in immigration stance?

In order to "change my stance" I would have to come out against the rule of law, national sovereignty, and our national security, and begin to support the economic, cultural and electoral destruction of my country.

So, you can go pound sand, troll.

12 posted on 04/04/2011 1:10:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, this is how they have installed socialism in our country. It worked even better in the UK, formerly Great Britain, which is no longer great and no longer British.


13 posted on 04/04/2011 1:11:02 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

When I was in school we saw the first of the sex education classes where they told us that all “normal” boys and girls have homosexual thoughts.

Today we have homosexual prom king/queens and a gay straight alliance in virtually every school in the country.


14 posted on 04/04/2011 1:16:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: HardRightHook

NO.


15 posted on 04/04/2011 1:17:32 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: HardRightHook; All

Anything that is not 100% deportation of Illegal Aliens is Illegal Alien Amnesty.

It is time for the GOP to stop coddling the Hispano-Racist and Hispanic KKK groups who want Amnesty because they want more Hispanics in the USA.

The GOP loses more votes pandering to Illegal Aliens and Hispanic Racists by supporting Amnesty....they lose those votes to potential Independent, Democrat, and anti-Illegal Alien Hispanic voters who will vote for a party strong on Illegal Aliens

If the GOP continues to promote Illegal Alien Amnesty, and Amnesty-supporting candidates....they will cease to be a relevant party.

We already know from the 2008 election that running a pro-Illegal Alien candidate (John McCain) does not bring in Hispanic voters. McCain did not even get 1/3 of the Hispanic vote

The GOP had better drop its Fetish for Illegal Aliens. If they prefer to cater to Hispano-Racist groups over conservative and American voters....there will be no GOP


16 posted on 04/04/2011 1:21:52 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Donald Trump wants Obama's BC released...Glenn Beck attacks Birthers....Now, who is supporting Obama)
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To: HardRightHook
Enjoy your short stay on FR.

IBTZ.

17 posted on 04/04/2011 1:25:01 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: darkwing104

Got us a live one ripe for Viking Kitty recon.


18 posted on 04/04/2011 1:26:33 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: cripplecreek

Great, a blog pimp AND an apologist for illegal ALIENS.

OK, I’ll play.....IBTZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


19 posted on 04/04/2011 1:27:03 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!)
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To: HardRightHook

We don’t enforce our current immigration laws, so, to me, they don’t even exist so why bother with any new ones?


20 posted on 04/04/2011 1:27:56 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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