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No evidence of time before Big Bang
Nature ^ | 12/10/10 | Edwin Cartlidge

Posted on 12/12/2010 8:51:25 AM PST by LibWhacker

Latest research deflates the idea that the Universe cycles for eternity.

Our view of the early Universe may be full of mysterious circles — and even triangles — but that doesn't mean we're seeing evidence of events that took place before the Big Bang. So says a trio of papers taking aim at a recent claim that concentric rings of uniform temperature within the cosmic microwave background — the radiation left over from the Big Bang — might, in fact, be the signatures of black holes colliding in a previous cosmic 'aeon' that existed before our Universe.

(Excerpt) Read more at nature.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: background; bigbang; cosmic; microwave; penrose; science; steadystatetheory; stringtheory; time; universe; wmap; xplanets

1 posted on 12/12/2010 8:51:28 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
But, it takes a licking and keeps on ticking.
2 posted on 12/12/2010 8:55:13 AM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: LibWhacker

There was no “aeon” before the universe. There is only one universe. Discussing “time” before the universe is meaningless.
They still don’t have a clue.


3 posted on 12/12/2010 8:55:35 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Liberalism is against human nature. Practicing liberalism is detrimental to your mental stability.)
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To: LibWhacker

What a coinkydink! Something in common with Obama’s birth certificate! /s


4 posted on 12/12/2010 9:02:14 AM PST by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: LibWhacker

Well, the evidence of the Big Bang itself is only circumstantial.


5 posted on 12/12/2010 9:07:59 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: LibWhacker

Actually, those rings are from the stump left when an evil dwarf chopped down the great tree Yggdrasil.


6 posted on 12/12/2010 9:08:31 AM PST by dr_who
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To: LibWhacker

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?


7 posted on 12/12/2010 9:17:33 AM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: LibWhacker

didn’t a guy win a Nobel prize for that “discovery” they are casting doubt on??


8 posted on 12/12/2010 9:20:59 AM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
There is only one universe. Discussing “time” before the universe is meaningless.

I'm not sure about the "only one" assertion but the "meaningless" assertion is undoubtedly correct for any number of good reasons. At the moment of creation, the big bang if you will, total entropy was zero. That would prevent any possible transfer of information post BB.

Regards,
GtG

9 posted on 12/12/2010 9:25:40 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
*golf clap*

Well said.

10 posted on 12/12/2010 9:29:11 AM PST by Michael Barnes (Guilty of being White.)
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To: LibWhacker

The used to call “big bangs” orgies back in the day.


11 posted on 12/12/2010 9:30:42 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SunkenCiv

/mark


12 posted on 12/12/2010 9:32:58 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: LibWhacker
"Our view of the early Universe may be full of mysterious circles "

Seen those here on Earth.


13 posted on 12/12/2010 9:41:20 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: LibWhacker

Before Thyme there was Rosemary!


14 posted on 12/12/2010 9:43:31 AM PST by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

No doubt, but if that hypothesis is wrong then how about this one ~ those are MOUNTING BRACKETS


15 posted on 12/12/2010 9:50:19 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: LibWhacker

This is true.

The BIG CLOCK came right AFTER the BIG BANG.


16 posted on 12/12/2010 9:50:21 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Young Werther

Oh, you’re just sayin’ that ‘cause of your Lemon Zest.


17 posted on 12/12/2010 9:54:15 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: dr_who

It is obvious you’ve lost too much life before the Goblin Fire.


18 posted on 12/12/2010 9:56:36 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: LibWhacker
One of the titles of God is ‘Creator’. A creator presupposes a creation. If God the Creator is eternal then the universe, in some fashion or form, must also be eternal.
19 posted on 12/12/2010 10:05:21 AM PST by JPG (Sarah dedicated her new book to Trig: "I'm glad you're here.")
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To: GeronL

Posited by Penrose and Gurzadyan only very recently. No time for Nobels yet.


20 posted on 12/12/2010 10:05:39 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Young Werther

Definitely two of my favorite herbs!


21 posted on 12/12/2010 10:07:32 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: dr_who

Tha’ be nonsense. T’was nae an *evil* dwarf. Th’ tree be th’ source of evil.


22 posted on 12/12/2010 10:13:40 AM PST by BenKenobi (Obama's book of the month, Herman Melville's Killin' Whitey)
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To: LibWhacker
The 'concept' of time has always fascinated me. What ever 'force' or 'being' created both us and the universe gave us atomic particles that can decay in milliseconds; our individual lives are measured in mere years; and the universe as far as we have determined at this point is roughly 14 or 15 billion years old.

How can that be? What is the purpose of creating a life form that exists mere years in a universe that will continue for perhaps billions of years or forever?

Very strange.

23 posted on 12/12/2010 10:45:43 AM PST by Doc Savage (Stay Thirsty My Friend!!)
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To: LibWhacker

save


24 posted on 12/12/2010 10:47:12 AM PST by Texas Songwriter ( ma)
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To: LibWhacker

aaahhh... must have confused him with the guy who explained why background radiation is spread all over the universe and not localized where the big bang happened. Because everywhere was where it happened and then expanded outwar.

Something like that.


25 posted on 12/12/2010 10:49:36 AM PST by GeronL (#7 top poster at CC, friend to all, nicest guy ever, +96/-14, ignored by 1 sockpuppet.. oh & BANNED)
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To: KevinDavis; annie laurie; garbageseeker; Knitting A Conundrum; Viking2002; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

Thanks KoRn.
 
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26 posted on 12/12/2010 11:19:07 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: KoRn; AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; ...
Thanks KoRn!


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27 posted on 12/12/2010 11:21:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: LibWhacker

Even if information survived the theoretical singularity during the big bang which is questionable. It would be so distorted by a multitude of forces we cannot even model that it’s completely useless.


28 posted on 12/12/2010 11:36:08 AM PST by allmost
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To: Doc Savage; LibWhacker; SunkenCiv

Time is just a reference (point) in (this) physical reality. A part of the creation. After you die you exist in a “no time” environment.

What is the life expectancy of a fresh baked cookie compared to the entire prep time? That includes all the processes. From growing the grain, raising the cane, down the line to actually mixing them in a bowl and baking. See what I mean?


29 posted on 12/12/2010 12:00:34 PM PST by bigheadfred (STAND IN THE CLOSET AND SCREAM WITH ME)
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To: allmost

Yeah, it’d be interesting to see the math that says ripples from a previous aeon could somehow survive into this one.


30 posted on 12/12/2010 12:02:31 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
No evidence of doing time before Big Bang -

Sing Sing hadn`t been sung yet.

31 posted on 12/12/2010 12:25:25 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: SunkenCiv; betty boop; Alamo-Girl

Fascinating . . .

time before time . . .


32 posted on 12/12/2010 12:47:03 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Doc Savage

It´s possible that God cares for many life forms throughout the universe; particularly those that have abstracted information from their environment thus to know Him.


33 posted on 12/12/2010 1:11:01 PM PST by onedoug
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To: GeronL
didn’t a guy win a Nobel prize for that “discovery” they are casting doubt on??

One reason that is unlikely is that IIRC Nobels are supposed to be given for discoveries that might have some practical application.

34 posted on 12/12/2010 1:24:35 PM PST by wideminded
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To: Doc Savage

>>Very strange.

Even stranger when one considers that Time is a derivative function of state-change that progresses relative to E within the inertial frame(s) in which it is observed.

As E approaches infinity an eternity could pass within a single blink of an unmoved eye...


35 posted on 12/12/2010 2:20:44 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the ping. This seems to have kind of a high duhh factor to me.


36 posted on 12/12/2010 2:30:17 PM PST by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: LibWhacker
No evidence of Time before Big Bang

No, but I think Newsweek was around.

37 posted on 12/12/2010 2:33:03 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Quix

I’ve got a recent magazine around here (somewhere) with an article about the search for traces of the previous universe.


38 posted on 12/12/2010 2:34:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Kevmo

My pleasure. :’)


39 posted on 12/12/2010 2:37:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: MHGinTN

I haven’t gobbled any fire lately. Doesn’t settle very well in my stomach.


40 posted on 12/12/2010 3:46:01 PM PST by dr_who
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To: BenKenobi

Damn trees. I hate ‘em. They’re too friggin tall.


41 posted on 12/12/2010 3:48:09 PM PST by dr_who
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To: LibWhacker


Imagine a time ....when there was no time ...when all the MATTER and ENERGY that goes into both you ...me... the waiter ...and this crispy, succulent, delicious apple pie... indeed, all of yumanity ...was compressed into a small singularity Billions and Billions of times smaller than something really friggin' tiny.
42 posted on 12/12/2010 4:00:30 PM PST by dr_who
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting.

It’s always fascinating to me to read such pontificating piles of conjecture and assumption.

WE are sooooooooooooooooooooooooo finite on such a finite ball . . .

with such limited tools

yet our ‘experts’

are quite glib about saying

what CERTAINLY must have happened eons ago and light years away.

Arrogance gone to seed, imho.


43 posted on 12/12/2010 4:37:35 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Young Werther

and parsley and sage...


44 posted on 12/12/2010 4:39:37 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


45 posted on 12/12/2010 7:05:11 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: bigheadfred

Does quantum gravity have something to do with human consciousness and thought processes?

I wonder if our mind is connected to the quantum loops, and that neural processes are not only based on the electro-magnetic spectrum. Maybe thought produces waves in quantum fields that transcend time as we know it.

Penrose says something about this in his books — that the mind seems to transcend Newtonian physics.

If thought is connected to timeless quantum realm then maybe that explains our yearning for heaven, our inkling for eternity as expresses in art and religion or faith. It is our connection to God.

The new physics could provide scientific evidence for the existence of an eternal human soul that is able to survive this time-space universe and pass into another after death.

Heaven could be another universe designed to accept the information of our being after the destruction of our physical body.

Maybe the window into the other universe is human consciousness sparked by faith in God’s relation.


46 posted on 12/14/2010 9:29:26 PM PST by garjog
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To: garjog

Nicely put.

And I think heaven is just another step in the infinite chain.


47 posted on 12/15/2010 6:59:02 AM PST by bigheadfred (STAND IN THE CLOSET AND SCREAM WITH ME)
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