No evidence of time before Big Bang

Nature ^ | 12/10/10 | Edwin Cartlidge

[LibWhacker]

Latest research deflates the idea that the Universe cycles for eternity.

Our view of the early Universe may be full of mysterious circles — and even triangles — but that doesn't mean we're seeing evidence of events that took place before the Big Bang. So says a trio of papers taking aim at a recent claim that concentric rings of uniform temperature within the cosmic microwave background — the radiation left over from the Big Bang — might, in fact, be the signatures of black holes colliding in a previous cosmic 'aeon' that existed before our Universe.

[righttackle44]

But, it takes a licking and keeps on ticking.

[Leftism is Mentally Deranged]

There was no “aeon” before the universe. There is only one universe. Discussing “time” before the universe is meaningless.
They still don’t have a clue.

[pillut48]

What a coinkydink! Something in common with Obama’s birth certificate! /s

[Brilliant]

Well, the evidence of the Big Bang itself is only circumstantial.

[dr_who]

Actually, those rings are from the stump left when an evil dwarf chopped down the great tree Yggdrasil.

[Flag_This]

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

[GeronL]

didn’t a guy win a Nobel prize for that “discovery” they are casting doubt on??

[Gandalf_The_Gray]

There is only one universe. Discussing “time” before the universe is meaningless.

I'm not sure about the "only one" assertion but the "meaningless" assertion is undoubtedly correct for any number of good reasons. At the moment of creation, the big bang if you will, total entropy was zero. That would prevent any possible transfer of information post BB.

Regards,
GtG

[Michael Barnes]

*golf clap*

Well said.

[central_va]

The used to call “big bangs” orgies back in the day.

[KoRn]

/mark

[UCANSEE2]

"Our view of the early Universe may be full of mysterious circles "

Seen those here on Earth.

[Young Werther]

Before Thyme there was Rosemary!

[muawiyah]

No doubt, but if that hypothesis is wrong then how about this one ~ those are MOUNTING BRACKETS

[UCANSEE2]

This is true.

The BIG CLOCK came right AFTER the BIG BANG.

[MHGinTN]

Oh, you’re just sayin’ that ‘cause of your Lemon Zest.

[MHGinTN]

It is obvious you’ve lost too much life before the Goblin Fire.

[JPG]

One of the titles of God is ‘Creator’. A creator presupposes a creation. If God the Creator is eternal then the universe, in some fashion or form, must also be eternal.

[LibWhacker]

Posited by Penrose and Gurzadyan only very recently. No time for Nobels yet.

[LibWhacker]

Definitely two of my favorite herbs!

[BenKenobi]

Tha’ be nonsense. T’was nae an *evil* dwarf. Th’ tree be th’ source of evil.

[Doc Savage]

The 'concept' of time has always fascinated me. What ever 'force' or 'being' created both us and the universe gave us atomic particles that can decay in milliseconds; our individual lives are measured in mere years; and the universe as far as we have determined at this point is roughly 14 or 15 billion years old.

How can that be? What is the purpose of creating a life form that exists mere years in a universe that will continue for perhaps billions of years or forever?

Very strange.

[Texas Songwriter]

save

[GeronL]

aaahhh... must have confused him with the guy who explained why background radiation is spread all over the universe and not localized where the big bang happened. Because everywhere was where it happened and then expanded outwar.

Something like that.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks KoRn.

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[SunkenCiv]

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[allmost]

Even if information survived the theoretical singularity during the big bang which is questionable. It would be so distorted by a multitude of forces we cannot even model that it’s completely useless.

[bigheadfred]

Time is just a reference (point) in (this) physical reality. A part of the creation. After you die you exist in a “no time” environment.

What is the life expectancy of a fresh baked cookie compared to the entire prep time? That includes all the processes. From growing the grain, raising the cane, down the line to actually mixing them in a bowl and baking. See what I mean?

[LibWhacker]

Yeah, it’d be interesting to see the math that says ripples from a previous aeon could somehow survive into this one.

[bunkerhill7]

No evidence of doing time before Big Bang -

Sing Sing hadn`t been sung yet.

[Quix]

Fascinating . . .

time before time . . .

[onedoug]

It´s possible that God cares for many life forms throughout the universe; particularly those that have abstracted information from their environment thus to know Him.

[wideminded]

didn’t a guy win a Nobel prize for that “discovery” they are casting doubt on??

One reason that is unlikely is that IIRC Nobels are supposed to be given for discoveries that might have some practical application.

[LomanBill]

>>Very strange.

Even stranger when one considers that Time is a derivative function of state-change that progresses relative to E within the inertial frame(s) in which it is observed.

As E approaches infinity an eternity could pass within a single blink of an unmoved eye...

[Kevmo]

Thanks for the ping. This seems to have kind of a high duhh factor to me.

[Cementjungle]

No evidence of Time before Big Bang

No, but I think Newsweek was around.

[SunkenCiv]

I’ve got a recent magazine around here (somewhere) with an article about the search for traces of the previous universe.

[SunkenCiv]

My pleasure. :’)

[dr_who]

I haven’t gobbled any fire lately. Doesn’t settle very well in my stomach.

[dr_who]

Damn trees. I hate ‘em. They’re too friggin tall.

[dr_who]

Imagine a time ....when there was no time ...when all the MATTER and ENERGY that goes into both you ...me... the waiter ...and this crispy, succulent, delicious apple pie... indeed, all of yumanity ...was compressed into a small singularity Billions and Billions of times smaller than something really friggin' tiny.

[Quix]

Interesting.

It’s always fascinating to me to read such pontificating piles of conjecture and assumption.

WE are sooooooooooooooooooooooooo finite on such a finite ball . . .

with such limited tools

yet our ‘experts’

are quite glib about saying

what CERTAINLY must have happened eons ago and light years away.

Arrogance gone to seed, imho.

[allmendream]

and parsley and sage...

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[garjog]

Does quantum gravity have something to do with human consciousness and thought processes?

I wonder if our mind is connected to the quantum loops, and that neural processes are not only based on the electro-magnetic spectrum. Maybe thought produces waves in quantum fields that transcend time as we know it.

Penrose says something about this in his books — that the mind seems to transcend Newtonian physics.

If thought is connected to timeless quantum realm then maybe that explains our yearning for heaven, our inkling for eternity as expresses in art and religion or faith. It is our connection to God.

The new physics could provide scientific evidence for the existence of an eternal human soul that is able to survive this time-space universe and pass into another after death.

Heaven could be another universe designed to accept the information of our being after the destruction of our physical body.

Maybe the window into the other universe is human consciousness sparked by faith in God’s relation.

[bigheadfred]

Nicely put.

And I think heaven is just another step in the infinite chain.