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Dark energy may not exist in space, scientists claim
Telegraph ^ | Tuesday, June 15, 2010 | Heidi Blake

Posted on 06/22/2010 3:48:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

British scientists have claimed that the method used to calculate the make-up of the universe may be wrong.

The universe as we know it -- formed of recognisable components such as planets, stars, asteroids and gas -- accounts for just four per cent of the cosmos, according to the decades old Standard Model.

The rest is thought to be made up of mysterious dark matter and dark energy. This permeates space and powers the expansion of the universe.

But physicists at Durham University now claim the calculations on which the Standard Model is based could be fatally flawed.

This raises the possibility that the "dark side" of the cosmos does not exist, which in turn could mean that the universe is expanding less quickly than previously thought...

A new analysis of measurements taken by NASA of Big Bang heat radiation in 2001 showed that the heat waves may be far smaller than previously thought.

When the measurements were first taken in 2001 the size of the ripples in the Cosmic Microwave Background radiation led scientists to conclude that the cosmos is made up of four percent "normal" matter, 22 percent "dark" or invisible matter and 74 percent "dark" energy.

But scientists now claim that the waves of radiation which were previously measured at about twice the size of the full moon may in fact be less than half that size.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: darkenergy; darkforce; darkmatter; haltonarp; stringtheory

1 posted on 06/22/2010 3:48:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 06/22/2010 3:49:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting, if true. A ton of science posters in schools all over would have to be trashed.


3 posted on 06/22/2010 3:52:20 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: SunkenCiv

I wonder what this will do with respect to estimates of the age of the universe.


4 posted on 06/22/2010 3:55:28 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s good to see people get a clue that they might not have a clue. :)


5 posted on 06/22/2010 3:57:39 PM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I wonder how much of the universe(even our own planet for that matter) we REALLY know, versus what we *THINK* we know, but really haven’t a clue about.


6 posted on 06/22/2010 3:57:46 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: SunkenCiv

Cosmic, man!

But this doesn’t indicate if there would still be unaccountable matter.


7 posted on 06/22/2010 3:59:42 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

The only way that can be seen is if one is zooming through space via the improbability drive.


8 posted on 06/22/2010 4:08:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: MarineBrat; KoRn

:’) /bingo


9 posted on 06/22/2010 4:08:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: OldDeckHand

Oooooh, I think you’re onto something there...


10 posted on 06/22/2010 4:08:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Those usually need to be trashed by the time they’re printed. :’)


11 posted on 06/22/2010 4:09:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: KoRn

“I wonder how much of the universe(even our own planet for that matter) we REALLY know, versus what we *THINK* we know, but really haven’t a clue about.”

My thoughts on this for as long as I can remember have been that if you (anyone) walks into their back yard and looks around, there is virtually nothing there that we have anything other than a superficial understanding of. Once you start peeling back the onion on anything you see - you really know next to nothing...

Yet we attempt to enplane the universe.


12 posted on 06/22/2010 4:10:12 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wait a week. It’ll be back.


13 posted on 06/22/2010 4:17:27 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: SunkenCiv

Dark energy may not exist in space, scientists claim, but definitely exists in Hell and in the space between Obummer`s ears.


14 posted on 06/22/2010 4:20:56 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: SunkenCiv

Dark energy may not exist in space, scientists claim, but definitely exists in Hell and in the space between Obummer`s ears.


15 posted on 06/22/2010 4:21:07 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: OldDeckHand
I wonder what this will do with respect to estimates of the age of the universe.

You mean, such as being able to prove that the Earth is less than 6000 years old?

16 posted on 06/22/2010 4:21:33 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: SunkenCiv

Only GOD knows! One of the many reasons to get right with HIM. The afterlife is wondrous if chosen correctly.


17 posted on 06/22/2010 4:22:48 PM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: James C. Bennett
"You mean, such as being able to prove that the Earth is less than 6000 years old? "

No. Actually, I meant that if the universe isn't expanding as quickly as previously thought, perhaps the universe is MUCH older than the math currently indicates it is.

I'm not a mathematician, but you'd think that the "rate of expansion" would be a pretty important and significant variable.

18 posted on 06/22/2010 4:26:41 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: SunkenCiv

“...the improbability drive.”

“...infinite improbability drive.”


19 posted on 06/22/2010 4:27:19 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: OldDeckHand

Very true. The whole expansion of the universe into a void which is somehow “not” the universe, is a concept that’s hard for me to assimilate.


20 posted on 06/22/2010 4:36:19 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett; OldDeckHand

What is your point or your agenda there JCB, no one knows how hold the Earth is.


21 posted on 06/22/2010 4:48:40 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1

I believe they do..approx 4.6 billion years, according to carbon dating, I believe.


22 posted on 06/22/2010 5:02:30 PM PDT by brivette
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To: OldDeckHand
Somewhere Halton Arp may be grinning right now.
23 posted on 06/22/2010 5:04:01 PM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: SunkenCiv

“But scientists now claim that the waves of radiation which were previously measured at about twice the size of the full moon may in fact be less than half that size.”

Does this mean that instead of twice the size of the full moon, it is less than the size of the full moon, or less than half the size of the moon?

If it is the former, that would still seem to only indicate that we can account for 8% of the universe, instead of 4%.


24 posted on 06/22/2010 5:27:51 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Two New Episodes of 'Futurama', this June 24th, on Comedy Central)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

All we can be sure of is, the speed of light is a little less than the speed of dark, because when the lights come on, dark is never seen leaving the room.


25 posted on 06/22/2010 5:38:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: The Cajun

/bingo


26 posted on 06/22/2010 5:39:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: brivette

It’s not RC dating, it’s Uranium-series dating that is used.


27 posted on 06/22/2010 5:41:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv
How will they explain away the High-z Supernova Search Team results?
28 posted on 06/22/2010 5:43:34 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

As Steve Stills once sang, nobody’s right when everybody’s wrong.


29 posted on 06/22/2010 5:47:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv

As Manfred Man used to sing, There she was just a-walkin’ down the street, singin’ “Do wah diddy diddy dum diddy do”


30 posted on 06/22/2010 5:56:56 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: James C. Bennett
The whole expansion of the universe into a void which is somehow “not” the universe, is a concept that’s hard for me to assimilate.

This is not implied by a Riemannian ( i.e. curved ) time-space continuum. It can be thought of as "all that there is" just as well as a traditional "flat" time-space continuum.

Conversely, a flat 3-space can be thought of as a slice of a 4-space, and in fact this was a very popular notion in Victorian times as a physical justification of the "spirit world", which shared a universal time measure with familiar 3-space.

31 posted on 06/22/2010 6:47:45 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Moonman62

“Shanghai Lil never used the pill, she claimed that it wasn’t natural” — Rod Stewart


32 posted on 06/22/2010 7:26:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wow; pretty cool. I’m a rank outsider when it comes to physics more complicated than falling off a log (I know that one’s due to gravity!), but I’ve always had a sneaking feeling that dark matter and dark energy were just a little too much like the old Aether to really sit well with a modern theory of the universe. Perhaps now we’ll either see that we’ve just re-invented Aether 2.0, or else we’ll get the “dark” components on a more supportable foundation.

Thanks for posting!


33 posted on 06/22/2010 7:29:53 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: dr_lew

I’ll try to work on that as soon as I’m home. Thanks for the explanation!


34 posted on 06/22/2010 8:03:09 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: SunkenCiv
This raises the possibility that the "dark side" of the cosmos does not exist...


35 posted on 06/22/2010 8:55:55 PM PDT by JRios1968 (The real first rule of Fight Club: don't invite Chuck Norris...EVER)
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To: Moonman62
How will they explain away the High-z Supernova Search Team results?

You sure it's not just an anomaly? /Carlo Rubbia pun>

Cheers!

36 posted on 06/22/2010 9:29:29 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: SunkenCiv
As Steve Stills once sang, nobody’s right when everybody’s wrong.

Redshift measurements may be right some or even most of the time, but they sure aren't right all of the time. Arp has proved that (IMHO) a number of times despite being ridiculed by his so called learned peers.
Basic questions about his observations need to be answered instead of just ignoring them and whistling past the graveyard.

37 posted on 06/22/2010 9:40:27 PM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: The Cajun

/bingo


38 posted on 06/23/2010 8:56:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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