Posted on 10/17/2009 5:15:56 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
Josie Romero loves the colour pink, braiding her hair and having her fingernails painted.
But life has not always been easy for this sweet and charming eight-year-old, who was born in the body of a boy.
The transgender youngster, then called Joseph, knew at the age of four that she was the wrong sex and even told her parents: 'I am really a girl.'
At five, she was refusing to have her hair cut and only wore colours like orange which were nearest to girly pink.
By the time she reached six, Josie had been diagnosed as transgender and was beginning her transition to becoming a female.
Mother Venessia, 42, said: 'When she was a toddler, she was always trying to turn her boy toys into girl toys.
'She used to take her army figures, wrap them up and rock them like a baby.
'As she grew older and started to talk, she always said: "I'm a girl".
'We used to correct her and say: "No you're a boy".
'But by the time she was four, she was insisting: "No I really am a girl".
'We started to realise she wasn't just playing. She would always correct anyone who called her a boy.
'She'd wrap one of my scarves around her waist to make a skirt. It was her favourite game.'
Venessia and her husband Joseph, 42, an airforce engineer, from Vail, Arizona, made the brave decision to tell their daughter's story to help other parents of transexual youngsters.
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UK society is sick since it rejected Christianity. Islam wants to “cure” that sickness.
The parents of this boy should do thirty years.Any “physicians” responsible for this boy’s gender “change” should do fifty.
Well it certainly seems as if “she” has a female brain ,, I certainly hope that this works out.
The parents of this poor creature belong in jail. WHAT IN HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE FREAKS???????????
They cant fool God.
He has a difficult life ahead.
Words fail ...
What concerns me is that the Mother did the healthier thing and did adopt a girl. And then the son continued to want to be a daughter, whether to gain more maternal approval or from biological failings, I don’t know.
Suicide by 30.
...certainly doesn't change the that pesky chromosome thing.
Unbelievable.
This little boy obviously has a mental health disorder.
So sad that the parents, doctor and so many of those making comments about the article feel that the little boy should be hormonally altered and surgically mutilated in response to his disorder.
Medical-wise, couldn’t there be a possibility though, that this child was really meant to be a girl, perhaps somehow while forming in the womb some signals got crossed somehow. So while the rest of him/her was in agreement that she would be a she, the lower part didn’t get the message right and developed male genitalia? I’m not advocating a sex change at 8, just wondering about the possibility of something like that happening. (runs for cover now!)
Man Hands.
So we’re mainstreaming child abuse now in the name of Political Correctness? How vogue.
I think so. I know of someone, who although definitely a woman, when she had surgery for an unrelated issue, they told her there were some male parts inside her...or words to that effect.
And I have an male acquaintance who at age 12 had an appendectomey and when it was over the surgeon looked around a bit and found two ovaries. He removed them and a vestigal uterus also.
Even though the kid is dressed like a girl - he still looks like a boy in the face to me - and like you said - man hands. This boy’s parents, and the doctor that performed the surgery, should rot in jail for the rest of their lives.
Was this person able to have children as an adult? I wonder if perhaps the surgeon was premature in removing the ovaries... if that was their only route to having kids....
Yep. Had two sets.
Fraternal twins. Only one developed, and the tissue of the undeveloped twin is joined to the survivor. Not terribly uncommon.
Would you venture a guess on how it possibly could?
Will 'her' husband deserve the death penalty when he murders his 'wife' for defrauding him?
Most likely. His mother always wondered what would have happened to him at puberty.
Great! I was worried that this was one of those situations where a surgeon might have been a bit quick to cut.
Ironically, it is the Libs who are the first to say that these cultural "aspects" are simply artifacts of paternalism akin to slavery, yet it is the Libs are the first to applaud a lifechanging decision based on these "aspects" and done to a little child.
This is not a case of parents putting crazy ideas into a kid’s head, or a kid picking up crazy-trendy ideas from peers. A preschooler who firmly insists for YEARS they’re the opposite sex from what their anatomy looks like has got some fundamental physiological problem, even when medical science can’t always pinpoint it yet.
This child has had no surgery or hormone treatments. They’re looking to start hormone treatments to delay puberty, since that will give the child more time to mature and understand the irreversible nature of things like surgery, hormone treatments to induce female puberty, or allowing male puberty to proceed (with irreversible effects on facial hair, voice, and jaw structure.
Yes, exactly. The possible causes are complex and numerous, but in all likelihood have a genetic/physiological basis. For example, there are some people with two X chromosomes and no Y chromosome, but with a key chunk of genetic code from a Y chromosome sitting on one of their X chromosomes, sending male signals out in every cell of their body. It’s just not as simple as the folks shouting criticism imagine. The lack of compassion for parents and children facing such a problem is ugly.
I have no sympathy for rebellious teens and college students who suddenly “realize” they’re the opposite sex, only after exposure to a lot of sociopolitical brainwashing, and the realization that they’ll get lots of attention and support from the PC crowd if they make this announcement. But no way is that what’s going on with a preschooler whose father, an air force engineer, and stay-at-home mother are telling their child he’s a boy, calling him Joseph, dressing him in boy clothes, correcting him when he says he’s a girl, living on a military base, and the child persists for years in insisting he’s a girl.
The child needs help, which is the opposite of what they’re giving to him. We can forget the genetic theory, if there was any genetic basis for the boy’s psychosis then the article would have mentioned it. Whatever his problems are they’re all psychological. Furthermore, given the drastic measures taken by the parents I don’t for one second buy that they’re normal parents who tried their best to help their son get over his identity issues. There’s a lot more going on that we don’t know, and given the very PCness of the whole topic I doubt we ever will.
Even Islam might be an improvement in the UK when this sort of child abuse is occurring.
Hopefully, he'll kill those that mutilated him before that happens.
Islam is pretty abusive to children to children too.
Chromosome testing doesn’t tell the whole story. There are a lot of genetic anomalies that can cause physical and/or psychological mismatches between anatomy and personality. Most involve enzyme defects or deficiencies or defects in the hormone receptors in cell membranes. For example, 5-alpha-reductase deficiency, which is very common in the Dominican Republic, manifests as anatomy that appears anywhere from entirely female-looking to utterly ambiguous from birth to puberty, at which point major masculinization occurs, including the descent of testicles in many cases. Chromosome testing will show that their entire body is normal with 46 chromosomes including an X and a Y, though many of them looked like normal females until they hit puberty.
There are a number of other known genetic anomalies affecting gender that are much more subtle, but still identifiable through DNA testing or testing for enzyme function (but not through simple chromosome testing). But it’s absolutely certain that there are a lot of these anomalies that haven’t been pinpointed on the genome yet, therefore you can’t do a DNA test for them, because you don’t know what error in genetic code you’re looking for. And there is no direct testing available yet for receptor defects. Some of them can be detected by inference (e.g. giving an effeminate male huge doses of dihydrotestosterone, and seeing no effect), but not detected directly by biopsy of cell membranes or DNA testing. But you can be sure that many of these currently un-pinpointable physiological defects will be pinpointable within a few years, as biomedical technology keeps leaping forward.
Frankly, we just don’t know what’s wrong with this child. But she has nice sane parents, who were raising her in a nice normal family on a American military base, and the kid was just not developing a male identity like all the other little boys. These aren’t whackjobs like the balloon kid’s parents. We need to trust that they and their doctors are doing the best they can with a difficult medical issue. They tried for years to convince Josie that she was Joseph, a little boy, and it just wasn’t working. Both Josie and her parents have some serious challenges ahead of them, and some compassion is in order.
2. Everyone involved with story (the poor kid excepted) needs a brain transplant or a horsewhipping. Or both.
I played Little League football, raced dirtbikes, loved Star Wars action figures and would use my dolls that relative seemed intent on giving clothing to dress up our little dog.
I am a perfectly fine adult female who loves my husband. Even though I never identified with girls or girl things, that didn’t mean I wanted or thought I was a boy.
That being said, they are discovering now that some people are born with a chromosome disorder that makes them sort of hermaphrodites or something. I suppose it is POSSIBLE to be outwardly a male and have an extra chromosome or something.
Still, I hope the kid doesn't end up like this:
Cheers!
Actually, I’d be curious of a chromosome test for him. Tula, an English model, had a chromosome disorder that gave him/her an extra one and boy does she look better as a woman.
Post #31 might interest you. ;-)
When I was a kid... 
I once thought I was human but it was only a batch... 
of bad beer.
I occasionally like to feel my famine side... 
especially if it get me free drinks!
At the bar last night... 
that was YOU?
I keep all my chicks so satisfied... 
they never feel like roosters.
I occasionally feel like a woman... 
especially with a side order of red cabbage.
My kid brother kept saying he was really a girl... 
but he stopped after I shot his big toe off.
And imagine that Shatner told me... 
I was crazy for feeling that way!
Ever time my doc... 
gets out his glove, I wish... 
I was a girl!
Clyde once said he thought he was a girl... 
but after I dropped him in the male gorilla cage for a night, he stopped all that crap.
Me and my Deadskin Tribe... 
all wish we were squaws!
If I were a woman... 
what would I do with my steel balls?
One of my writers said they wanted to be a woman... 
but after a night of wild sex with me, he went back to being a just funny looking guy.
Looks like I picked the wrong day to give up sniffing glue... 
and wanting a sex change operation!
Ya know, in Spain, when a I feel like a woman... 
I just get an extra hooker.
John, George and Ringo all felt like we were really a girl band... 
but they stopped it when I suggest we call ourselves "Paula and the Pussycats!"
Any you blokes out there want to be woman... 
I can make that happen!
Ya know big... 
threads like this makes me feel sad for you humans.
It makes me wish... 
I were drunker--
And with a big batch... 
of donuts!
just where is the Dunkin Donuts? just where is the Dunkin Donuts? I need some to go with my beer today. Gadzooks, big! 
Just ask your gal pal sitting... 
behind you!
Anyway, no way that little boy can grow up to live a normal life. Girls can be tomboys but ultimately, they grow into women. Boys can be sissies but ultimately, they must contend with the fact they they grow into a man's body.
Nobody says a woman can't grow up to be a construction work or a boy can't grow up to be a nurse. So it's best to be who you are and learn to live with the body nature gave you.
Nobody at the age of eight years old is mature enough to decide one's sex and the parents shouldn't be doing it either. I know when I was eight years old, I wanted to become an astronaut. However there weren't adults around who indulged me by putting me on a spacecraft and sending me into space just because that's "what I wanted to do." I was simply told that once I grew up, I could do whatever I wanted but I couldn't do it right now.
Had the parents taken a harder line with their son over this nonsense, it's very likely he would have grown out of this phase and gone on to a more normal life. Hell, I remember playing with my sister when I was that age, dolls and all that crap. At that age, you simply aren't old enough to fully understand gender and sex. The parents should have raised this kid as the boy he was born as and let him make those kind of decisions for himself when he became of age.
You are so right! A lot of this is culturally driven and an interest in “pink things” doesn’t necessarily indicate a female gender identity. The parents would be much better off to let the kid explore that aspect of his personality - which he’ll probably grow out of eventually. At any rate, to make radical changes at this age would be deadly!
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It is possible that the child is intersexed. There are medical tests for that. This appears more like gender dysphoria though. As mentioned before, so many of these things are culturally driven. The child is way too young to make that kind of determination! If he is physically intersexed, that would be obvious.
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