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New book says wrong clothing, not winter led to Hitler's 1941 defeat in Russia
ANI ^ | Jul 26, 2009 | Unknown

Posted on 07/26/2009 5:55:44 AM PDT by decimon

British historian Andrew Roberts has claimed in a new book -- The Storm of War -- that wrong clothing and not ghastly wintry conditions led to Germany's defeat in Russia in 1941.

In an extract from his new book, Roberts claims that Hitler's troops were fatally ill equipped for the 1941 invasion of Russia.

He also blames dictator Adolf Hitler for that defeat, saying the Nazi leader failed to take care of his troops' needs and was more proud of his hardiness in the cold, boasting how "having to change into long trousers was always a misery to me."

Prior to Operation Barbarossa, the Nazis were not so certain that their invasion of Russia, which began on June 22, 1941, would take place in a very cold winter.

The mistake that the German commissariat made was that they did not organize enough woollen hats, gloves, long johns and overcoats for use in Russia, reports The Telegraph.

(Excerpt) Read more at in.news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: bookreview; godsgravesglyphs; militaryhistory; nazi; pages; wwii
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1 posted on 07/26/2009 5:55:44 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Attacking Stalingrad instead of going after the oil fields was a biggie


2 posted on 07/26/2009 5:58:50 AM PDT by GeronL (Guilty of the crime of deviationism.)
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To: decimon

Uh, is it just me or is this pretty much obvious?

Hitler should have just had summer weather that winter.


3 posted on 07/26/2009 5:59:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: decimon

I read a very interesting book that theorized Hitler attacked Stalin because Stalin was about to attack him. The Germans did not have the luxury of choosing the date.


4 posted on 07/26/2009 6:00:37 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Best,

Chris

5 posted on 07/26/2009 6:02:48 AM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: section9

I can’t remember the book’s name. It was written by a former Soviet military intelligence officer (who defected). He claims that Soviet intelligence was monitoring the wool market (and wool production) in Germany for indications the German military was asking for heavy clothing.


6 posted on 07/26/2009 6:06:45 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: decimon
Adolf's biggie was canceling his non aggression pact with Stalin...it did many things...it turned American leftist against Hitler, while before they put up with the ally of their lord a master Uncle Joe Stalin...and the real biggie was that Hitler now had to fight 2 fronts.

He would have eventually beaten Britain...America would have stayed out of hitlers hair...and afterward he could have taken Soviet Russia at his leisure. No it was Hitlers massive ignorance of battle tactics that lost him the war...not clothing.

7 posted on 07/26/2009 6:06:53 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: decimon

8 posted on 07/26/2009 6:07:02 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: decimon

Once again, the importance of dressing for success.


9 posted on 07/26/2009 6:08:20 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

The clothes make the man or winner/loser/POW/dead.


10 posted on 07/26/2009 6:11:07 AM PDT by wally_bert (My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fibre)
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To: decimon

I think being ill-equipped in the dead of winter after years of war have torn apart the continent is a good example of a ghastly winter condition.


11 posted on 07/26/2009 6:11:36 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: wally_bert

I guess!


12 posted on 07/26/2009 6:12:16 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: GeronL

The truth is that Hitler was out generaled. He failed to grasp the depth of the Soviet army and attacked with an inadequate force.

Cold and clothes were inconsequential to the defeat.


13 posted on 07/26/2009 6:13:46 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The boy's war iin Dor tetriot has already cost more then the war in Iraq.)
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To: decimon

Kind of a chicken versus egg analysis. Hitler’s troops were unprepared for winter and lacked proper clothing or equipment. Russian winters are typically brutal. I could kind of see it both ways.


14 posted on 07/26/2009 6:16:48 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: decimon

Hitler’s biggest mistake was in attacking the Jews.

Jewish people were German patriots and his brain trust. They would have fought and worked for him. Instead they were rounded up and slaughtered.

No one can blame any one thing for the loss of a war, it takes many things working as a chain. Each link in the chain adds to the loss.

I often wonder what would have happened in Europe had Japan not attacked the US. Suppose Japan instead of attacking the US had gone to meet Hitlers Armies with their seapower and transported them across the Channel?


15 posted on 07/26/2009 6:16:57 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: 1rudeboy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Suvorov


16 posted on 07/26/2009 6:18:04 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Nanny states don't come cheap.)
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To: JoeProBono
Mercy is for the weak.

honk

17 posted on 07/26/2009 6:20:18 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: decimon
It was not just the absence of proper winter clothing, it was the length of the winter as well as the severity of it; it was the depth of the snow and the depth of the mud; it was the attenuated supply lines which ran through 1000 miles of territory made hostile by the local populations who became partisan in reaction to Hitler's brutal occupation policies; it was the wider treads on the Soviet tanks and vehicles which could better negotiate in the snow and mud; it was the unanticipated immense industrial capacity of Russia which came increasingly into play; it was the great disparity in numbers enjoyed by the Russians; it was that the Germans had to fight a three front war; it was the sheer brutality of the Soviets to their own forces as well as the Germans and an infinite capacity to absorb casualties.


18 posted on 07/26/2009 6:24:40 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Cheburashka; All
Yes! Here it is, I recommend the following book to everyone. It's a great read for those who prefer their war histories to have lots and lots of numbers:

Chief Culprit: Stalin's Grand Design to Start World War II.

I suspect Suvorov would make this author look like an idiot.
19 posted on 07/26/2009 6:25:12 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I read a very interesting book that theorized Hitler attacked Stalin because Stalin was about to attack him. The Germans did not have the luxury of choosing the date.

What ever book that was got it wrong. Not only did Germany choose the date, they caught the Russians(at least Stalin)totally by surprise. They spent months moving troops up to the Russian border. Stalin dismissed this because he believed Hitler to be a rational man, making a huge mistake by doing so.

20 posted on 07/26/2009 6:25:43 AM PDT by calex59 (I, me, myself, am actually Jim Thompson)
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