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CERN fires up new atom smasher to near Big Bang
AP ^ | September 7, 2008 | ALEXANDER G. HIGGINS

Posted on 09/08/2008 4:17:18 PM PDT by OneVike

GENEVA - It has been called an Alice in Wonderland investigation into the makeup of the universe — or dangerous tampering with nature that could spell doomsday.

Whatever the case, the most powerful atom-smasher ever built comes online Wednesday, eagerly anticipated by scientists worldwide who have awaited this moment for two decades.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Religion; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: atomsmasher; darkmatter; stringtheory; superconductor
I find it interesting that every time one of these semiconductors are fired up, there's a segment of society believing the world will end if they are allowed to follow through.
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As far as the part on "Dark Matter" goes, even the scientists who put forth the idea that it exists, say you need to have faith it excists.

Please read the following.


This was posted on Space.com in September of last yea.


Scientists: Dark matter exists

(SPACE.com)
New observations of a great big cosmic collision provide the best evidence yet that invisible and mysterious dark matter really does exist.
The collision, between two huge clusters of galaxies, is the "most energetic cosmic event, besides the Big Bang, that we know about," said Maxim Markevitch of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
The impact split normal matter and dark matter apart, rendering the dark matter's gravitational presence observable.

Scientists announced the discovery today in a teleconference with reporters.
The normal matter in the cosmos -- atoms that make up stars, planets, air and life -- accounts for only a small fraction of what must exist, based on the fact that without an additional source of gravity, galaxies would fly apart and galaxy clusters could not hold together as they do.
Nobody knows where all that gravity comes from, so scientists say there must be some invisible stuff out there, which they call dark matter. Its presence is indirectly supported by many observations. Given what's known, this is the makeup of the universe:
5 percent normal matter
25 percent dark matter
70 percent dark energy

Dark energy is an even more mysterious phenomenon, a force of some sort that beats out gravity and is causing the universe to expand at an ever-faster pace.
Some theorists have suggested that rather than invoking dark matter, perhaps existing ideas about gravity might be wrong. Maybe gravity is stronger on intergalactic scales than what is predicted by Newton and Einstein.
And all astronomers agree that dark matter is such an exotic idea as to border on the crazy. "A universe that's dominated by dark stuff seems preposterous, so we wanted to test whether there were any basic flaws in our thinking," said Doug Clowe of the University of Arizona at Tucson, and leader of the study. "These results are direct proof that dark matter exists."


Splitting matter
Clowe and colleagues used NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory to study the galaxy cluster 1E0657-556, which contains a bullet-shaped cloud of superheated gas. X-rays show the shape was produced by cosmic winds created in a high-speed collision of two clusters of galaxies.
Other telescopes were used to locate and quantify the mass in the clusters. They actually measured the effect of gravitational lensing, in which gravity from the clusters distorts light from thousands of background galaxies, as predicted by Einstein's theory of general relativity.
The dark matter is not seen, but its gravity has a predictable effect on the observations. The resulting blue color in a new image represents the gravity fields observed by noting how the light from each background galaxy is distorted. Here's what the image reveals:
The hot gas -- normal matter -- was slowed by a drag force described as the cosmic equivalent of air resistance. But the dark matter was not slowed by this effect, presumably because it does not interact with normal matter, as theory had predicted.
So the normal matter and dark matter became separated.
"This proves in a simple and direct way that dark matter exists." Markevitch said in the teleconference.


Other theories must cope
The finding provides further evidence that standard Newtonian gravity, which keeps planets in orbit around the sun, is the glue that makes things stick on the largest scales, too.
It is still possible there is some modification of gravity going on, but these findings make it less necessary to have such theories, said Sean Carroll, a cosmologist at the University of Chicago who was not involved with the study. "No matter what you do [in devising new theories] you're going to have to believe in dark matter."
"We've closed this loophole about gravity, and we've come closer than ever to seeing this invisible matter,"
Clowe said. "This is the first time we've had a direct detection of dark matter" in which you can't explain the results with any altered-gravity theory, he said.
The findings will be detailed in an upcoming issue of the Astrophysical Journal Letters.

1 posted on 09/08/2008 4:17:18 PM PDT by OneVike
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To: OneVike
"No matter what you do [in devising new theories] you're going to have to believe in dark matter."


I find it interesting that scientists always accuse Christians of having blind faith.

Well from the horses mouth.
So do they!
2 posted on 09/08/2008 4:19:31 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike
I find it interesting that every time one of these semiconductors are fired up, there's a segment of society believing the world will end if they are allowed to follow through.

Living in New Mexico I am well aware of the doomsday thoughts rampant when the first a-bomb was detonated at White Sands. As to the current startup of the CERN, my lights flickered the other evening. Does that count?

3 posted on 09/08/2008 4:35:23 PM PDT by ProudFossil
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To: ProudFossil
As to the current startup of the CERN, my lights flickered the other evening. Does that count?


Not really, because that was probably caused by all those UFOs in Roswell. I understand that the government is dismantling them for spare parts on their new special fighter jets.

How else can we out maneuver the bad guys?.


4 posted on 09/08/2008 4:46:36 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

The Apes who are running the planet now have sent me back to your time to be sure this project is allowed to continue .


5 posted on 09/08/2008 4:48:51 PM PDT by kbennkc (What passes for optimism is most often an intellectual error)
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To: OneVike

some say the Tunguska Blast of 1908, coincided with Nikola Tesla testing a “Death Ray.”

Oooooo Scary!


6 posted on 09/08/2008 4:49:12 PM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: OneVike

It’s not a semiconductor (materials used in computer chips) it’s a superconductor. < /nit picking>


7 posted on 09/08/2008 4:54:19 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: OneVike

The “dark matter” and “dark energy” that they cannot find yet seem to just KNOW exists is what Christians and Jews call God.


8 posted on 09/08/2008 5:30:57 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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Some unforeseen problems have developed:

Fish flies out of lake, breaks Arkansas teen’s jaw
AP/Yahoo | 9/7/08
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Hippies Wail for Dead Trees
Break.com
Posted on 09/07/2008 12:32:25 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2076825/posts

[Golf] Balls found inside ‘rattling’ dog
[paging George Costanza]
BBC | 5 September 2008 | staff reporter
Posted on 09/06/2008 4:26:43 AM PDT by Daffynition
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2075931/posts

Seinfeld/Bill Gates Microsoft Commercial. Horrible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiVMPgCf6YY | current | microsoft
Posted on 09/07/2008 8:41:58 PM PDT by Rebelbase
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2077069/posts

-but seriously-

Big Bang Machine’ Set to Start Up Wednesday
Foxnews.com | September 8, 2008 | Unattributed (Associated Press)
Posted on 09/08/2008 1:36:08 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2077590/posts


9 posted on 09/08/2008 8:52:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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no ping, just adding to the catalog.

10 posted on 09/08/2008 8:54:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; Las Vegas Dave; ...
Okay, so, there's a sort-of-update, so I'm pingin':
Scientists receive death threats

11 posted on 09/08/2008 11:34:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Exactly!

"who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high" Hebrews 1:3

Will they ever admit it?

NOT!!!
12 posted on 09/09/2008 10:16:41 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Pardon the dumb question, but is this thing the same as the super conducting super collider that was supposed to be built in TX back in the 90s but was scrapped (by Clinton)?
susie


13 posted on 09/09/2008 10:41:46 AM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Keep the change!)
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To: brytlea
I do believe you are correct.

Maybe Al Gore convinced him it would destroy the planet.

Then when Europe decided to build it, he decided to jump on the global warming bandwagon.

After all, a good liberal would not want to attack any Europeans.
14 posted on 09/09/2008 11:49:10 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

We lived right there when it was cancelled (lived in Desoto TX at the time) and if I recall correctly it was a vindictive move against TX because of the election.
susie


15 posted on 09/09/2008 11:53:09 AM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Keep the change!)
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To: brytlea
Well Susie;

They will get their's, and I believe we are seeing it happen before our very eyes.
God does not like it when those in power abuse their position by making evil look good

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20
16 posted on 09/09/2008 12:09:12 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: brytlea

Yes.


17 posted on 09/09/2008 7:13:54 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Straight Vermonter

I remember how sad it was when they canned the project.
susie


18 posted on 09/10/2008 7:56:53 AM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Keep the change!)
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